Underneath those sheets are Leafs pyjamas. 😂
- GalacticStone

Dont get all P diddy on us.

It's weird as it seemed like Keefe was doing the back and forth game by game thing.

Maybe Sammy's recovery isn't quite where they want it before he starts and has to go side to side at 100000 MPH for the Ovie one time bomb?
- Cush29

Health will be a big factor in who starts.

From what I remember Sammy wasn't 100% last playoffs, and probably shouldn't have been given such a long leash vs Florida before getting injured further.

But I also get not wanting to throw in a rookie 2nd round after a series win.

You ever have a fresh chocolate chip muffin with sugar crystals on top?
- Fakepartofme

Not with sugar crystals, but that does sound darn good. I do love the chocolatey taste of a fresh chocolate baked treat.

Yup well summarized.

And Woll pre injury had a stretch where he was far better than Sammy at his best this season.

Woll put that game together vs Ottawa where he got injured and against the Canes.

Sammy never puts together games like that. Sammy is simply an average goalie.
With that being said yes, if Sammy is in a better head space and health by game 1 he is of course the starter.

Also its all a little irrelevant because unless the Leafs sweep or the game 1 starter plays at an elite level even during a loss, the other goalie will get a chance as well. At the end of the day it will be about who shows up when it counts.

Which is reasonable to want the goalie who has been able to perform at a higher level when at his best, which is Woll.
- Santo_44

Jesus I know you love to fight to the death when anyone disagrees with you but at least try to be factual. Sammy has never strung together good games?

A quick google of his game stats shows how out of touch you are or how you just post random, inaccurate/fabricated BS to try and support your stance.

March 2nd vs Isles - .914 Sv %
March 6th vs Buffalo - .960 Sv%
March 9th vs Montreal - .935 Sv %
March 14th vs Philly - .925 Sv %

FYI that's better than any 4 game stretch Woll has put forth this season in case your wondering but I hope both goalies can get to a place where they consistently put up big Save % and low GAA #'s.




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Keefe said he is starting tomrrow vs. the Caps.
- dmnted

Keefe said the plan was to split the games but that they weren’t planning on alternating. Giving each of them a bit of a run makes sense if they want one of them to make a run in the playoffs. FWIW, Woll has started two playoff games in his professional career. Giving him some games against tough opponents and those fighting to make the playoffs makes sense.

Keefe said the plan was to split the games but that they weren’t planning on alternating. Giving each of them a bit of a run makes sense if they want one of them to make a run in the playoffs. FWIW, Woll has started two playoff games in his professional career. Giving him some games against tough opponents and those fighting to make the playoffs makes sense.
- Canada Cup

That does make sense.

Jesus I know you love to fight to the death when anyone disagrees with you but at least try to be factual. Sammy has never strung together good games?

A quick google of his game stats shows how out of touch you are or how you just post random, inaccurate/fabricated BS to try and support your stance.

March 2nd vs Isles - .914 Sv %
March 6th vs Buffalo - .960 Sv%
March 9th vs Montreal - .935 Sv %
March 14th vs Philly - .925 Sv %

FYI that's better than any 4 game stretch Woll has put forth this season in case your wondering but I hope both goalies can get to a place where they consistently put up big Save % and low GAA #'s.




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- Cush29

Lol you are completely misinterpreting.

The Buffalo game he faced 25 shots. PHI he faced 28 shots. MTL he faced 28 shots.
The Isles game? If you are singling out a game where he had a .914 SV% and allowed 3 goals then you are missing my point entirely.

Woll

WSH 38 shots, 37 saves- .974%
FLA 38 shots 39 shots 38 saves- .974%
SEA 40 shots 37 saves- .950%
CAR 43 shots 41 saves- .953%
Ottawa game where he got injured 31 shots 29 saves in 3/4ths of a game


ironically the only game Sammy has been able to steal a game while having to lock in and play at a high level was BOS where he had 40 shots and a .950 SV% WHICH was in his "I can't see a thing" era before he was sent down.


If Woll hadn't been injured the sky was the limit for him, and the Leafs. My perspective is simple.

What I have seen from Woll is stretches of brilliance and capability of stealing games. Woll at his peak over Sammy at his peak.

Is Woll there right now consistently after his injury? No. Does him getting back to that mental level and health give the Leafs the best chance to win? Yes.

Can this happen out of no where? Yes Sammy has proven the mental aspect of the game can turn on instance.

Its really simple for me. As a fan I want the leafs to win the cup and the best chance at winning a cup is Woll playing at his best. You don't have to agree with me I do not care, but I will be commenting that I hope Woll is the goalie to trust in playoffs, because it would mean he is at the top of his game and that is what I believe gives the leafs the best chance to win.

If playoffs started tomorrow I would start Sammy, but based on Sammys average to above average play we can expect Woll would get his chance. Unless the Leafs can play so well and win 4 straight, we are seeing both goalies.

That does make sense.
- Cush29

Sammy just left a game with an injury, give him a little extra time to get back to 100% if you have to. I bet Woll is champing at the bit to avenge yesterdays loss.

If you guys have starting goalies figured out, bravo, cause it beats the poop out of me.

Lol you are completely misinterpreting.

The Buffalo game he faced 25 shots. PHI he faced 28 shots. MTL he faced 28 shots.
The Isles game? If you are singling out a game where he had a .914 SV% and allowed 3 goals then you are missing my point entirely.

Woll

WSH 38 shots, 37 saves- .974% - OCTOBER 24th
FLA 38 shots 39 shots 38 saves- .974% - NOVEMBER 28th
SEA 40 shots 37 saves- .950% - NOVEMBER 30th
CAR 43 shots 41 saves- .953%- MARCH 24th
Ottawa game where he got injured 31 shots 29 saves in 3/4ths of a game - Dec 7th


ironically the only game Sammy has been able to steal a game while having to lock in and play at a high level was BOS where he had 40 shots and a .950 SV% WHICH was in his "I can't see a thing" era before he was sent down.


If Woll hadn't been injured the sky was the limit for him, and the Leafs. My perspective is simple.

What I have seen from Woll is stretches of brilliance and capability of stealing games. Woll at his peak over Sammy at his peak.

Is Woll there right now consistently after his injury? No. Does him getting back to that mental level and health give the Leafs the best chance to win? Yes.

Can this happen out of no where? Yes Sammy has proven the mental aspect of the game can turn on instance.

Its really simple for me. As a fan I want the leafs to win the cup and the best chance at winning a cup is Woll playing at his best. You don't have to agree with me I do not care, but I will be commenting that I hope Woll is the goalie to trust in playoffs, because it would mean he is at the top of his game and that is what I believe gives the leafs the best chance to win.

If playoffs started tomorrow I would start Sammy, but based on Sammys average to above average play we can expect Woll would get his chance. Unless the Leafs can play so well and win 4 straight, we are seeing both goalies.
- Santo_44

You said Sammy can't string together good games.
I posted games he did.
That is not misrepresenting Santo it's facts.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

If anyone is misrepresenting here it's you as you cherry picked games in response t me showing FACTUALLY that Sammy has had a better run of consecutive games than Woll despite your claim that Sammy can't do that and Woll can.

Just to clarify for you I noted the dates of the games you posted of Woll's (which undeniably were excellent games by him).

WSH 38 shots, 37 saves- .974% - OCTOBER 24th
FLA 38 shots 39 shots 38 saves- .974% - NOVEMBER 28th
SEA 40 shots 37 saves- .950% - NOVEMBER 30th
CAR 43 shots 41 saves- .953%- MARCH 24th
Ottawa game where he got injured 31 shots 29 saves in 3/4ths of a game - DEC 7th

If Woll hadn't been injured is a non-starter - he got hurt and it is what it is. I mean it's a silly as saying maybe if Sammy didn't get hurt last playoffs he carries the Leafs into the 3rd round FFS.

Comment away all you like, I don't care but when you jump on here and try to defend your opinion with BS and inaccurate claims don't get butt hurt when you get called out.

I don't think it's clear which of these 2 goalies will be the game 1 starter nor do I believe right now it's crystal clear that one of these 2 goalies gives them a better chance than the other to win but again facts don't lie and Sammy's are better currently.

You can love on Woll and hate on Sammy all you like - I'll just keep cheering for both thanks.

If you guys have starting goalies figured out, bravo, cause it beats the poop out of me.
- Zezel

But we need to decide now!

If you guys have starting goalies figured out, bravo, cause it beats the poop out of me.
- Zezel

That was my point - it's far from figured out now and the games between now and the end of the season are what should allow the coach to figure it out.

The Woll vs Sammy debate is silly just play whoever is hot (hopefully hotter as both are hot !) going into the playoffs and if needed try the other goalie.

Easy Peasy.

You said Sammy can't string together good games.
I posted games he did.
That is not misrepresenting Santo it's facts.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

If anyone is misrepresenting here it's you as you cherry picked games in response t me showing FACTUALLY that Sammy has had a better run of consecutive games than Woll despite your claim that Sammy can't do that and Woll can.

Just to clarify for you I noted the dates of the games you posted of Woll's (which undeniably were excellent games by him).

WSH 38 shots, 37 saves- .974% - OCTOBER 24th
FLA 38 shots 39 shots 38 saves- .974% - NOVEMBER 28th
- Cush29[]
SEA 40 shots 37 saves- .950% - NOVEMBER 30th
CAR 43 shots 41 saves- .953%- MARCH 24th
Ottawa game where he got injured 31 shots 29 saves in 3/4ths of a game - DEC 7th

If Woll hadn't been injured is a non-starter - he got hurt and it is what it is. I mean it's a silly as saying maybe if Sammy didn't get hurt last playoffs he carries the Leafs into the 3rd round FFS.

Comment away all you like, I don't care but when you jump on here and try to defend your opinion with BS and inaccurate claims don't get butt hurt when you get called out.

I don't think it's clear which of these 2 goalies will be the game 1 starter nor do I believe right now it's crystal clear that one of these 2 goalies gives them a better chance than the other to win but again facts don't lie and Sammy's are better currently.

You can love on Woll and hate on Sammy all you like - I'll just keep cheering for both thanks.

Whatever I said, you are missunderstanding.

I explained above what I meant and gave examples of Woll playing at a high level in games of extreme difficulty.

If you want to go around and around in circles about what I said and what you interpreted it as I do not want to play that game.






I want the Leafs to win. I want the best version of each goalie to be available for the Leafs. From what I have seen the best version of each goalie, Woll gives the Leafs the best chance to win. So I would like Woll as the starter, leading us to a cup. That is really all that needs to be said.

I also do not know why this is all bolded.

If you guys have starting goalies figured out, bravo, cause it beats the poop out of me.
- Zezel

It will be SWollonov right?

That was my point - it's far from figured out now and the games between now and the end of the season are what should allow the coach to figure it out.

The Woll vs Sammy debate is silly just play whoever is hot (hopefully hotter as both are hot !) going into the playoffs and if needed try the other goalie.

Easy Peasy.
- Cush29

Not trying to say I have it figured out.

Just want the best for the Leafs. I want the best version of each player to be out.

I believe the best version of Woll gives us the best chance for a deep run, it is really that simple.

And I hope Woll puts it all together for playoffs.

Whatever I said, you are missunderstanding.

I explained above what I meant and gave examples of Woll playing at a high level in games of extreme difficulty.

If you want to go around and around in circles about what I said and what you interpreted it as I do not want to play that game.






I want the Leafs to win. I want the best version of each goalie to be available for the Leafs. From what I have seen the best version of each goalie, Woll gives the Leafs the best chance to win. So I would like Woll as the starter, leading us to a cup. That is really all that needs to be said.
- Santo_44

lol this is so typical of you.

Keep moving those goalposts and claiming it's other people's fault for interpreting what you said incorrectly and then playing the I do not want to play this game card.

Good to know you are seeing the facts that prove your claim that Sammy can't string together good games sunk in. There was no misunderstanding what you said nor misinterpretation on my part.

Opinions are fine, just don't make up things to try and validate them and nobody will refute you - not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.

Almost everyone here wants to see the Leafs win, you are not unique in this and you continually stating it doesn't somehow make your flawed argument less incorrect. lol

You think Woll is more likely to lead the leafs to victory in the playoffs.

Many others including the Leafs head coach have not yet made a determination on which goalie that will be come game 1.

And that decision may very well change after game 1 or 2 or 3 etc.....this is how it is when you don't have a top tier / established stud starting goalie - and the Leafs do not have that.

It will be SWollonov right?
- Dozzer

Wait, can we play two goalies if we only use 4 skaters?!?

It will be SWollonov right?
- Dozzer

Ben Scrivens is making a comeback and he will be the starter backed up by Leaf great goalie Olat Kolzig!

lol this is so typical of you.

Keep moving those goalposts and claiming it's other people's fault for interpreting what you said incorrectly and then playing the I do not want to play this game card.

Good to know you are seeing the facts that prove your claim that Sammy can't string together good games sunk in. There was no misunderstanding what you said nor misinterpretation on my part.

Opinions are fine, just don't make up things to try and validate them and nobody will refute you - not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.

Almost everyone here wants to see the Leafs win, you are not unique in this and you continually stating it doesn't somehow make your flawed argument less incorrect. lol

You think Woll is more likely to lead the leafs to victory in the playoffs.

Many others including the Leafs head coach have not yet made a determination on which goalie that will be come game 1.

And that decision may very well change after game 1 or 2 or 3 etc.....this is how it is when you don't have a top tier / established stud starting goalie - and the Leafs do not have that.
- Cush29

Yeah I said I am not playing that game with you.

You aren't listening and just making poop up.

I said it quite simply and summarized what I thought to make it clear, read that and move on. You do not have to agree, but just move on.

Whatever I said, you are missunderstanding.

I explained above what I meant and gave examples of Woll playing at a high level in games of extreme difficulty.

If you want to go around and around in circles about what I said and what you interpreted it as I do not want to play that game.






I want the Leafs to win. I want the best version of each goalie to be available for the Leafs. From what I have seen the best version of each goalie, Woll gives the Leafs the best chance to win. So I would like Woll as the starter, leading us to a cup. That is really all that needs to be said.

I also do not know why this is all bolded.
- Santo_44

I've never seen goalposts moved as quickly or as far away as you did here

Ben Scrivens is making a comeback and he will be the starter backed up by Leaf great goalie Olat Kolzig!
- Cush29

Using the letter S like Scrivens

Kolzigs and zags sometimes stopping the shots

I've never seen goalposts moved as quickly or as far away as you did here

- Aaron_85

I am not arguing a point at all.

I am not saying Sammy can not put together good games.

I am not saying any of you have to agree with me.

I am simply stating that from what I have seen, Woll has the better ability to play at a higher level. He has shown that to ME in those games I listed above.

Its funny because I am not arguing anything at all, I love the leafs and I love Woll, Sammy and everyone on the team. You guys are making poop up that I am arguing lol.
If Sammy plays every game and the Leafs win every game and win the cup. But without any knowledge of the future I hope Woll plays and plays at his highest level because with MY eyes and perception I believe he gives us the best chance.

Thats it, go leafs.

If Murray was healthy I’d start him.

To me though - you can’t state that Sammy hasn’t put together games like Woll has. Sammy was damn near the Leafs MVP (regular season) last year. His whole year was real good, as a Starter…and I don’t like him or Woll but he played well.

If playoffs were to start today and both 100%, I would bet the farm that Keefe would start Sammy game 1. That’s just how coaches view these situation. Experience.

Sammy (17 games NHL, 5 AHL, 15 KHL)
Playoff sv%:
.899
.912
.899
Career - .905 (NHL)
Faced 502 shots total (NHL)

Woll (4 games NHL, 1 AHL)
Playoff sv% :
.915 (that’s it, just one total)
Faced 94 shots total

Woll has only played 4 games ever (not enough to even be a track record or a ‘history’). If you add his AHL experience it’s 5 (played 1 game) and his sv% in that solo game was .800 - just 5 pro playoffs games total.

I just think (it was said on here) you start Sammy if healthy and Woll comes in if needed.

I am not arguing a point at all.

I am not saying Sammy can not put together good games.

I am not saying any of you have to agree with me.

I am simply stating that from what I have seen, Woll has the better ability to play at a higher level. He has shown that to ME in those games I listed above.

Its funny because I am not arguing anything at all, I love the leafs and I love Woll, Sammy and everyone on the team. You guys are making poop up that I am arguing lol.
If Sammy plays every game and the Leafs win every game and win the cup. But without any knowledge of the future I hope Woll plays and plays at his highest level because with MY eyes and perception I believe he gives us the best chance.

Thats it, go leafs.
- Santo_44

You literally are conflating two different things. Noone misunderstood you. You simply were never clear in your thought that "Woll has played well against tough opponents better than Samsonov". You just can't admit you made a mistake in being clear and said everyone else is at fault for "misunderstanding" your own black and white letters.

Quite literally you said "And Woll pre injury had a stretch where he was far better than Sammy at his best this season.

Woll put that game together vs Ottawa where he got injured and against the Canes.

Sammy never puts together games like that. Sammy is simply an average goalie."

How is anyone going to misunderstand what the word stretch means other than you're definition of "A game once a month he played really well is considered a stretch".

Yet you can't not be wrong. Just admit it. You weren't clear in the first place and like 17 replies wouldn't be needed today.


P.S. noone is making anything up.

If Murray was healthy I’d start him.

To me though - you can’t state that Sammy hasn’t put together games like Woll has. Sammy was damn near the Leafs MVP (regular season) last year. His whole year was real good, as a Starter…and I don’t like him or Woll but he played well.

If playoffs were to start today and both 100%, I would bet the farm that Keefe would start Sammy game 1. That’s just how coaches view these situation. Experience.

Sammy (17 games NHL, 5 AHL, 15 KHL)
Playoff sv% - .899
.912
.899
Career - .905
Faced 502 shots total

Woll (4 games NHL, 1 AHL)
Playoff sv% - .915
Faced 94 shots total

Woll has only played 4 games ever (not enough to even be a track record or a ‘history’). If you add his AHL experience it’s 5 (played 1 game) and his sv% in that solo game was .800 - just 5 pro playoffs games total.

I just think (it was said on here) you start Sammy of healthy and Woll comes in if needed.
- Big23Questions

Yeah if Matt Murray is healthy and was known to be at a good place mentally seeing pucks then I agree.

Murray at his best capabilities probably is the Leafs best chance at a cup.

Huge risk throwing him in...but its not a crazy idea. If Woll or Sammy don't show it down the stretch and Jarny is still on LTIR I believe the Leafs could fit his cap in. He theoretically could play a game or 2 before seasons end.

You would think that would be pretty deflating for Woll and Sammy though, after playing an entire season.