Adams went out of his way to bring back Okposo and Girgensons because he believed they were paramount to building a winning team despite the fact that a kid with an IQ of 12 could see that a decade's worth of data said the opposite. The orange was rotten to begin with.
- buffalofan19

Good Post

It’s as simple as this.

Are we winning games because of Donnie ? I don’t think so.

Are the Flyers winning games because of Torts ? I think they are 100%.

Coaching is supposed to extract the most value out of what they are given, Donnie isn’t getting enough juice out of the orange.
- Swedish_Jesus

Tage cozens tuch and skinner are great examples of not even close to enough juice.

It’s been like that since game 1 of this season.

The Sabres have a better roster on paper than a few of the teams that are ahead of them in the standings.

You taking Philly, NYI, and Detroit’s roster over ours ? I’m not
- Swedish_Jesus

This is correct, and I would add Tampa to that list. The 4th line given to him didn't do him any favors, but this is a lineup that should be in a playoff spot.

Adams went out of his way to bring back Okposo and Girgensons because he believed they were paramount to building a winning team despite the fact that a kid with an IQ of 12 could see that a decade's worth of data said the opposite. The orange was rotten to begin with.
- buffalofan19

Used in the right role, the LOG line has also been successful since assembled.

Why is Girgensons, Okposo, Robinson playing border line 2nd line minutes on most nights ?

That’s on Donnie

Did the coach or GM say this.


{cries} I had to trade Kyle Okposo. Hardest decision I’ve ever made.

Zemgus Girgensons is one of the most important players on this team and is the fabric of the Buffalo Sabres.


Did the coach fail for two years to trade VO.


Did the coach overpay Jonson, Clifton, Girgensons and Okposo.


The only trade that the coach really wanted to make was Jordan Greenway, and that turned out somewhat OK.


Should we look at the rest of the GM additions to the team?

The Sabres have a better roster on paper than a few of the teams that are ahead of them in the standings.

You taking Philly, NYI, and Detroit’s roster over ours ? I’m not
- Swedish_Jesus

The Adams hate and lack of talent is kind of odd.

4th liners. If Donny kept them on the 4th line. None of us would have any issues with them. Instead Donny overplayed players that shouldn’t have.

Okposo on PP 2 was criminal

I don't see how you can say that the talent breaks when it matters. We were very good at the end of last year and the same is true this year. The problems were earlier in the season. I actually think we play better against better teams (Cozens is the poster child for this).

Also, what do you think gets exposed in training camp? Training camp is just so... meaningless.
- Slump Buster

I'm dubious on just how impactful the Sabres deep prospect pool will end up being at the NHL level.

I'd be looking to move many of them for quality NHL players before they are fully exposed.

The Adams hate and lack of talent is kind of odd.

4th liners. If Donny kept them on the 4th line. None of us would have any issues with them. Instead Donny overplayed players that shouldn’t have.

Okposo on PP 2 was criminal
- Sabretooth9

Cant wait to watch Adam’s cry when Girgensons is moved.

Did the coach or GM say this.


{cries} I had to trade Kyle Okposo. Hardest decision I’ve ever made.

Zemgus Girgensons is one of the most important players on this team and is the fabric of the Buffalo Sabres.


Did the coach fail for two years to trade VO.


Did the coach overpay Jonson, Clifton, Girgensons and Okposo.


The only trade that the coach really wanted to make was Jordan Greenway, and that turned out somewhat OK.


Should we look at the rest of the GM additions to the team?
- ImThatGuy

Overpaying a player on a 1 year deal is far from a terrible gming

You could pay Okposo 10 mill for 1 year and it’s not a big deal

Did the coach or GM say this.


{cries} I had to trade Kyle Okposo. Hardest decision I’ve ever made.

Zemgus Girgensons is one of the most important players on this team and is the fabric of the Buffalo Sabres.


Did the coach fail for two years to trade VO.


Did the coach overpay Jonson, Clifton, Girgensons and Okposo.


The only trade that the coach really wanted to make was Jordan Greenway, and that turned out somewhat OK.


Should we look at the rest of the GM additions to the team?
- ImThatGuy

Who is defending the GM?

For the record, he was upset about losing Okposo as a human being. There is nothing wrong with that.
He couldn't give away VO for free - is that his fault? I am sure the owner wasn't going to retain celery for a 4th rounder, and in that particular example, I don't blame them.

But yeah, we all agree more moves need to be made. I think he acknowledged that they are finally coming this summer. We'll know more about him then. Mistakes were certainly made this year.

Who is defending the GM?

For the record, he was upset about losing Okposo as a human being. There is nothing wrong with that.
He couldn't give away VO for free - is that his fault? I am sure the owner wasn't going to retain celery for a 4th rounder, and in that particular example, I don't blame them.

But yeah, we all agree more moves need to be made. I think he acknowledged that they are finally coming this summer. We'll know more about him then. Mistakes were certainly made this year.
- Slump Buster

He said moves were also coming last summer as well…

Overpaying a player on a 1 year deal is far from a terrible gming

You could pay Okposo 10 mill for 1 year and it’s not a big deal
- Sabretooth9

The 1-year deal point is valid. The far bigger offense is taking a career underachiever and saying "that's the guy I want our young players to emulate" all the while saying "we are serious about winning" with a straight face.

I'm dubious on just how impactful the Sabres deep prospect pool will end up being at the NHL level.

I'd be looking to move many of them for quality NHL players before they are fully exposed.
- kingcong39

I still don't see how people can judge them without seeing them here. They all seem to have a lot of good qualities and are trending upwards. High ceilings.

I think the Byram trade gave me a little more hope for Adams in that - at worst - he traded for something that we didn't have in our system using current assets. It was a smart move.

Overpaying a player on a 1 year deal is far from a terrible gming

You could pay Okposo 10 mill for 1 year and it’s not a big deal
- Sabretooth9

It is because you're employing bad/expired players.

He said moves were also coming last summer as well…
- ImThatGuy

Yes, and moves were made. He insinuated that we need a better player in the top of the lineup - I will hold him to that. He also said we need to play faster and not be boring. These things must happen.

The 1-year deal point is valid. The far bigger offense is taking a career underachiever and saying "that's the guy I want our young players to emulate" all the while saying "we are serious about winning" with a straight face.
- buffalofan19

Erik Johnson 2022-23
xGAR -8.3 - 5th worst per minute. 1000 mins min (Lyubushkin was 7th)
xEVD -2.1 - 23rd worst per minute, 1000 mins min
xSHD -2.4 - 11th worst per minute, 1000 mins min

The Adams hate and lack of talent is kind of odd.

4th liners. If Donny kept them on the 4th line. None of us would have any issues with them. Instead Donny overplayed players that shouldn’t have.

Okposo on PP 2 was criminal
- Sabretooth9

I don't think the two things are mutually exclusive. Adams brought back a mediocre 4th line, and Meatballs took that and made it exponentially worse. We all had issues with the 4th line before the season began.

The one thing that both of them seem to have a problem with is being sentimental toward players.

Overpaying a player on a 1 year deal is far from a terrible gming

You could pay Okposo 10 mill for 1 year and it’s not a big deal
- Sabretooth9

Oh my! I must say you have said some Wild Sh!t in the past. But this takes the Cake with that Okposo contract. Wow!

It is because you're employing bad/expired players.
- TheSabresTaco

Are you questioning the quality of fabric being used?

Oh my! I must say you have said some Wild Sh!t in the past. But this takes the Cake with that Okposo contract. Wow!
- Buff36

I get his point. He could have given Okposo that 1-year deal without preventing them from bringing in better players. They had that much cap space. The money isn't the issue. It's thinking he still belonged on a roster with any excuse for winning aspirations.

Erik Johnson 2022-23
xGAR -8.3 - 5th worst per minute. 1000 mins min (Lyubushkin was 7th)
xEVD -2.1 - 23rd worst per minute, 1000 mins min
xSHD -2.4 - 11th worst per minute, 1000 mins min
- TheSabresTaco

With a line of thinking like Kevyn Adams has, who's really shocked that he would find value in a player like Erik Johnson?

Erik Johnson 2022-23
xGAR -8.3 - 5th worst per minute. 1000 mins min (Lyubushkin was 7th)
xEVD -2.1 - 23rd worst per minute, 1000 mins min
xSHD -2.4 - 11th worst per minute, 1000 mins min
- TheSabresTaco

The leafs sent Klingberg to the moon.

The Sabres played Johnson and sat Ryan Johnson and Bryson to play him.

There is the difference.

Sheldon Keefe = good coach

I get his point. He could have given Okposo that 1-year deal without preventing them from brining in better players. They had that much cap space. The money isn't the issue. It's thinking he still belonged on a roster with any excuse for winning aspirations.
- buffalofan19

I get his point. He could have given Okposo that 1-year deal without preventing them from brining in better players. They had that much cap space. The money isn't the issue. It's thinking he still belonged on a roster with any excuse for winning aspirations.
- buffalofan19

Money is always a issue, especially for this Owner. I don't get that point, so what we had a abundance of Cap space. Still a waste

With a line of thinking like Kevyn Adams has, who's really shocked that he would find value in a player like Erik Johnson?
- buffalofan19