Maybe its Thomson plus a dead cap contract plus a low rd to a cap floor team
- GrimmdaGoalie

I don't think you can trade a "deadcap" contract. Buyouts and retained salaries cannot be traded. Only LTIR contracts can be used for trades.

Silversevensens is doing their annual Top-25 under 25 list (which includes non-prospects), and the 11-25 rankings are as follows:
https://www.silversevensens.com/

11 - Bernard-Docker, Jacob (1st-2018)
12 - Sokolov, Egor (2nd-2020)
13 - Crookshank, Angus (5th-2018)
14 - Merilainen, Leevi (3rd-2020)
15 - Ostapchuk, Zack (2nd-2021)

16 - Thomson, Lassi (1st-2019)
17 - Guenette, Maxence (7th-2019)
18 - Kastelic, Mark (5th-2019)
19 - Donovan, Jorian (5th-2022)
20 - Mandolese, Kevin (6th-2018)

21 - Pettersson, Oskar (3rd-2022)
22 - Halliday, Stephen (4th-2022)
23 - Boucher, Tyler (1st-2021)
24 - Hamara, Tomas (3rd-2022)
25 - Daoust, Phillipe (6th-2020)

The top-6 of this list will almost certainly include Stutzle, Tkachuk, Norris, Sanderson, Pinto, and Brannstrom, which basically just leaves Greig, Jarventie, Kleven, and Sogaard as the top prospects on their list. Overall, the prospect list is quite similar to the one published in this blog, but there are a few notable differences. Crookshank gets quite a shout-out here, and I can't really disagree... I really think he could be a great 4th line sparkplug, and possibly more given his offensive upside. Interestingly, my list actually shows a lot more faith in Tyler Boucher, which isn't something you'll hear often.

Silversevensens is doing their annual Top-25 under 25 list (which includes non-prospects), and the 11-25 rankings are as follows:
https://www.silversevensens.com/

11 - Bernard-Docker, Jacob (1st-2018)
12 - Sokolov, Egor (2nd-2020)
13 - Crookshank, Angus (5th-2018)
14 - Merilainen, Leevi (3rd-2020)
15 - Ostapchuk, Zack (2nd-2021)

16 - Thomson, Lassi (1st-2019)
17 - Guenette, Maxence (7th-2019)
18 - Kastelic, Mark (5th-2019)
19 - Donovan, Jorian (5th-2022)
20 - Mandolese, Kevin (6th-2018)

21 - Pettersson, Oskar (3rd-2022)
22 - Halliday, Stephen (4th-2022)
23 - Boucher, Tyler (1st-2021)
24 - Hamara, Tomas (3rd-2022)
25 - Daoust, Phillipe (6th-2020)

The top-6 of this list will almost certainly include Stutzle, Tkachuk, Norris, Sanderson, Pinto, and Brannstrom, which basically just leaves Greig, Jarventie, Kleven, and Sogaard as the top prospects on their list. Overall, the prospect list is quite similar to the one published in this blog, but there are a few notable differences. Crookshank gets quite a shout-out here, and I can't really disagree... I really think he could be a great 4th line sparkplug, and possibly more given his offensive upside. Interestingly, my list actually shows a lot more faith in Tyler Boucher, which isn't something you'll hear often.
- khawk

It's a testament that two years after his draft Boucher still hasn't become an impact player. He's also had a bunch of injury issues. He remains a decidedly poor pick, just as everyone said at the time. Nothing Andlauer is finally *finally* bringing in an analytics guy to the front office. To rely too heavily on analytics can be an issue, but to ignore it entirely is exceptionally myopic. It will be interesting to see what, if any impact that staff addition has to Dorion's decision-making.

It's a testament that two years after his draft Boucher still hasn't become an impact player. He's also had a bunch of injury issues. He remains a decidedly poor pick, just as everyone said at the time. Nothing Andlauer is finally *finally* bringing in an analytics guy to the front office. To rely too heavily on analytics can be an issue, but to ignore it entirely is exceptionally myopic. It will be interesting to see what, if any impact that staff addition has to Dorion's decision-making.
- Bartacus

Maybe before we say more negatives about Tyler Boucher we should also point out that no player from Rounds 3-7 has played an NHL game yet. Only 4 players in the 2nd round have NHL games (only 1 of which has played over 16 games). Only 13 players drafted in the 1rst round have played any NHL games (of which, only 6 of these have played over 50 games in the NHL). So all in all, it looks like most tams had a putrid 2021 draft. Outside of a few first round picks, nobody is seeing much NHL action.
At this point, this year is very important for Boucher. Yes, he needs to have a decent year, but more importantly, he needs to have a long and healthy year. He still has time to develop. If he can just get back on track with some healthy years we might be able to see more of what is expected of him. At this point I just ignore where he was drafted. At this point, it is just about developing another capable NHL player ..... whether he was drafted 10th overall, or 100th .... draft position doesn't matter anymore. Too many teams do themselves and players a disservice when then focus on draft position and development. I wish they would just ignore it and develop the player at their own speed.

List of NHL teams that have won a Stanley cup without a Top 2 pick:

2019 - St. Louis Blues
Highest Picks: Bouwmeester (3rd) Pietrangelo (4th) B. Schenn (5th)

2008 - Detriot Red Wings
Highest Picks: Brad Stuart (3rd)

2001 - Colorado Avalanche
Highest Picks: Peter Forsberg (6th) Bourque (8th) Tanguay (12th)

2000 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Stevens (5th) Kelly (6th) Arnott (7th)

1995 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Carpenter (3rd) Guerin (5th) Stevens (5th)

1994 New York Rangers
Highest Picks: Ed Olczyk (3rd) Mike Gartner (4th)

Unless you have a HHOF goaltender like Broduer or Roy... only DET and STL have won stanley cups. St. Louis is the closet to what the Ottawa Senators can hope to achieve

List of NHL teams that have won a Stanley cup without a Top 2 pick:

2019 - St. Louis Blues
Highest Picks: Bouwmeester (3rd) Pietrangelo (4th) B. Schenn (5th)

2008 - Detriot Red Wings
Highest Picks: Brad Stuart (3rd)

2001 - Colorado Avalanche
Highest Picks: Peter Forsberg (6th) Bourque (8th) Tanguay (12th)

2000 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Stevens (5th) Kelly (6th) Arnott (7th)

1995 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Carpenter (3rd) Guerin (5th) Stevens (5th)

1994 New York Rangers
Highest Picks: Ed Olczyk (3rd) Mike Gartner (4th)

Unless you have a HHOF goaltender like Broduer or Roy... only DET and STL have won stanley cups. St. Louis is the closet to what the Ottawa Senators can hope to achieve
- AlfieisKing

how many of the teams who won with a top 2 pick the player was a trade acquisition and not drafted by that team, ill Argue Stu is a 1st OA pick, if the 2020 draft was redone he would go 1st every time

List of NHL teams that have won a Stanley cup without a Top 2 pick:

2019 - St. Louis Blues
Highest Picks: Bouwmeester (3rd) Pietrangelo (4th) B. Schenn (5th)

2008 - Detriot Red Wings
Highest Picks: Brad Stuart (3rd)

2001 - Colorado Avalanche
Highest Picks: Peter Forsberg (6th) Bourque (8th) Tanguay (12th)

2000 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Stevens (5th) Kelly (6th) Arnott (7th)

1995 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Carpenter (3rd) Guerin (5th) Stevens (5th)

1994 New York Rangers
Highest Picks: Ed Olczyk (3rd) Mike Gartner (4th)

Unless you have a HHOF goaltender like Broduer or Roy... only DET and STL have won stanley cups. St. Louis is the closet to what the Ottawa Senators can hope to achieve
- AlfieisKing

A favourable consideration for the Sens is that some "do overs" of th 2020 draft put Stutzle #1 and Sanderson #2.

Another thought is Jack Hughes is looked at as a guy who can lead his team to a cup. But Timmy has put up better numbers on a comparison of years 1 to 3. Hughes broke out in year 4 with 99 points. Timmy enters year 4 having put up 90 points in year 3. Timmy has outperformed Hughes in every corresponding years.

List of NHL teams that have won a Stanley cup without a Top 2 pick:

2019 - St. Louis Blues
Highest Picks: Bouwmeester (3rd) Pietrangelo (4th) B. Schenn (5th)

2008 - Detriot Red Wings
Highest Picks: Brad Stuart (3rd)

2001 - Colorado Avalanche
Highest Picks: Peter Forsberg (6th) Bourque (8th) Tanguay (12th)

2000 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Stevens (5th) Kelly (6th) Arnott (7th)

1995 - New Jersey Devils
Highest Picks: Niedermayer (3rd) Carpenter (3rd) Guerin (5th) Stevens (5th)

1994 New York Rangers
Highest Picks: Ed Olczyk (3rd) Mike Gartner (4th)

Unless you have a HHOF goaltender like Broduer or Roy... only DET and STL have won stanley cups. St. Louis is the closet to what the Ottawa Senators can hope to achieve
- AlfieisKing

So they should be trading for Nolan Patrick in order to qualify? Or maybe they should have signed Erik Johnson? The Avalanche are a perfect example of a team that won because their top-2 C were the best forwards from their respective draft years, even if they weren't the 1st/2nd overall picks (Sakic/Forsberg). Picking up Patrick Roy didn't hurt either, despite being a paltry 3rd round pick. In terms of the more recent edition of the Avalanche, I would suggest the Conn Smyth-winning performance of Makar played as much of a role as any of MacKinnon, Landeskog, or Johnson.

It's also not really a matter of just being a 1st/2nd overall pick... they have to be exceptional talents in order to translate to a Stanley Cup. In fact, the Senators still owe $1.8M in buyout money to the last top-2 pick they had on the roster. Take a major sample size of 1980-2020, and count how many 1st/2nd overall picks have Cup rings. Spoiler alert... you get just 30% (24/80), more than half of which were actually 2nd overall picks. The most happened between 2000 and 2009, but PIT/TB accounted for more than half of the identified players (including Crosby/Malkin, Stamkos/Hedman).

The fact that Tkachuk/Stutzle are already the best forwards from their respective draft classes and that Sanderson is likely the top D-man from a solid draft class would pretty clearly suggest that the Senators have as strong a top-5 drafted core as any team in the NHL. Or at the very least that they couldn't have done much more with the draft opportunities they were provided. What will determine their Cup fortunes is the quality of their supporting cast, and their ability to stay healthy and develop a strong team identity.

So they should be trading for Nolan Patrick in order to qualify? Or maybe they should have signed Erik Johnson? The Avalanche are a perfect example of a team that won because their top-2 C were the best forwards from their respective draft years, even if they weren't the 1st/2nd overall picks (Sakic/Forsberg). Picking up Patrick Roy didn't hurt either, despite being a paltry 3rd round pick. In terms of the more recent edition of the Avalanche, I would suggest the Conn Smyth-winning performance of Makar played as much of a role as any of MacKinnon, Landeskog, or Johnson.

It's also not really a matter of just being a 1st/2nd overall pick... they have to be exceptional talents in order to translate to a Stanley Cup. In fact, the Senators still owe $1.8M in buyout money to the last top-2 pick they had on the roster. Take a major sample size of 1980-2020, and count how many 1st/2nd overall picks have Cup rings. Spoiler alert... you get just 30% (24/80), more than half of which were actually 2nd round picks. The most happened between 2000 and 2009, but PIT/TB accounted for more than half of the identified players (including Crosby/Malkin, Stamkos/Hedman).

The fact that Tkachuk/Stutzle are already the best forwards from their respective draft classes and that Sanderson is likely the top D-man from a solid draft class would pretty clearly suggest that the Senators have as strong a top-5 drafted core as any team in the NHL. Or at the very least that they couldn't have done much more with the draft opportunities they were provided. What will determine their Cup fortunes is the quality of their supporting cast, and their ability to stay healthy and develop a strong team identity.
- khawk

A++

Not a single thought in this reflection where I disagree.

Does this core of kids have the makings of a Stanley Cup finalist? I say yes!

What will stop them? Perhaps, they fail to fill in the depth of a supporting cast of players capable of carrying them deep into the playoffs? Or, they lose their passion for team success and individuals place the accomplishments of their own career above the needs of the team. Or, somebody builds and structures their team in a similar manner, but even better (Devils, Sabres...)

I am expecting the next 5 years of hockey to be fabulous.

Coaching stops them.
We need Chris Kelly here.


I love how the boys are all here skating.
I'm genuinely curious about our lady's team.
I'd love to see them use the old Ottawa Bootleggers name and logo

How do I post an image?
I made my own lady's team logo

How do I post an image?
I made my own lady's team logo
- Octavarium

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If its from a site, you can post the image link, highlight it in the chat box here, and then click the "Img" button below.

Sanderson signed for 8 years. 8.05.

Defenceman Jake Sanderson has signed an eight-year, $64.4 million extension with the Ottawa Senators, it was announced Wednesday night.

The deal carries an average annual value of $8.05 million, includes a 10-team no-trade clause in the final three seasons and runs through 2031-32.


So they are all locked and loaded now for the future. Just need Pinto to get on his horse and giddy-up.

Defenceman Jake Sanderson has signed an eight-year, $64.4 million extension with the Ottawa Senators, it was announced Wednesday night.

The deal carries an average annual value of $8.05 million, includes a 10-team no-trade clause in the final three seasons and runs through 2031-32.


So they are all locked and loaded now for the future. Just need Pinto to get on his horse and giddy-up.
- OttawaB

I like it. Another long term deal. Bit of a risk, but people seem to think he's going to break out in a big way this year, so its exciting to see.

They like these long term deals. Jury's still out on Norris' deal though.

I like it. Another long term deal. Bit of a risk, but people seem to think he's going to break out in a big way this year, so its exciting to see.

They like these long term deals. Jury's still out on Norris' deal though.
- david22

Sanderson is really really good but definitely taking a risk to pay him $8M with his limited experience.
Anyway not my money to worry about but seems a bit rich to a neutral observer.

That’s crazy money this early for 1 season.

I’m sorry but that’s a bit ridiculous. Sure the cap is going up but he’d still be an rfa! If he had a breakout year this season I don’t see how 7-7.5 wouldn’t have done it on a long term.

Just not enough sample

With the cap probably going up like crazy in the next 3 years, these deals will seem great when they're halfway through. 10+ mil contracts in 2 years will be the regular.

I'm not sure what I think about giving a guy $8 million per year when he has only had 1 season. Granted, it was a really good rookie season with 36 points, playing some big minutes at times when injuries occurred. But still .... I was expecting the Sens to wait until after the season when they could have another year under his belt (and we hope there is no sophmore jinx). However, if he threw up another big year, maybe that 8 year number is closer to $10 million. Seeing what some other d-men are getting, ouch.
So 8x8 isn't that bad I guess ......... hey, another team did take OEL from Vancouver after all.

I'm just happy we are locking the core up at under $8.5 per year. Now we go get Pinto ..... and then start to worry what we re-sign Chychrun at, and Giroux .... both due in a few years.

Defenceman Jake Sanderson has signed an eight-year, $64.4 million extension with the Ottawa Senators, it was announced Wednesday night.

The deal carries an average annual value of $8.05 million, includes a 10-team no-trade clause in the final three seasons and runs through 2031-32.


So they are all locked and loaded now for the future. Just need Pinto to get on his horse and giddy-up.
- OttawaB

Some of the up and coming teams have set a new framework for contracting under the cap.

Because of their success last year, we might look at NJ Devils as model. They have committed $40.8m this year in paying their top 5 skaters Hamilton $9.0, Maier $8.8, J Hughes $8.0, Bratt $7.5m, Hischier $7.250. Ottawa and NJ seem to be following the same team design template when it comes to their young players and the cap. NJ still needs to find and pay a goaltender. Plus they have Luke Hughes to sign in the next couple of years.

Ottawa has a bit of a squeeze this year in fitting Pinto into their cap. But next year there is lots of flexibility and it should be easy pencil in long term deals for both Pinto and Chychrun.

I think Brannstrom or Joseph (or both) will be moved.