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jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jul 7 @ 2:40 PM ET
Hockeyal hello.
- flyer_nutter


🤣
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 7 @ 2:48 PM ET
Had another kid this morning
- YuenglingJagr

Things must have been getting spicy at the YuenglingJagr household last October
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 7 @ 2:48 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Folin, Remaining UFAs, Charity Classic and More
- bmeltzer


I think we’re having a great summer! JvR was a signing I always thought we needed seeing how deep LW was in UFA but I also would have understood if Hextall didn’t try to landed a big name player.

I also really like the Folin signing. I assume Hextall is familiar. He’s right handed. Big. I look at the signing for what it is. We gave up Manning and we slightly upgraded. I think certain guys may need to be scratched at times (Gudas/Sanheim), so there is flexibility there. I don’t think anyone expected Myers to play this season but we definitely should see him this season, even for one or two games.

I’m Encouraged by this team again. I think by signing JvR and possibly signing Simmonds says that the core is gonna remain together for a few more years.

Its been four seasons since I’ve felt good about this team. Go Flyers!
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 2:49 PM ET
Had another kid this morning
- YuenglingJagr

I remember those days... Diapers, Baby Formula, $1500/mo daycare tuition.... Congrats
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 7 @ 2:49 PM ET
They tried to give it to him last year we saw how that turned out. Unless he’s suddenly able to develop a vision for the ice he’ll slot in on the 4th line
- Just5


Laughton wasn’t given a genuine chance at 3C last year. Look at his ice time and wingers compared to Filppula’s.

For a really good laugh, look at how Voracek did with and without Filppula’s veteran vision.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
I think we’re having a great summer! JvR was a signing I always thought we needed seeing how deep LW was in UFA but I also would have understood if Hextall didn’t try to landed a big name player.

I also really like the Folin signing. I assume Hextall is familiar. He’s right handed. Big. I look at the signing for what it is. We gave up Manning and we slightly upgraded. I think certain guys may need to be scratched at times (Gudas/Sanheim), so there is flexibility there. I don’t think anyone expected Myers to play this season but we definitely should see him this season, even for one or two games.

I’m Encouraged by this team again. I think by signing JvR and possibly signing Simmonds says that the core is gonna remain together for a few more years.

Its been four seasons since I’ve felt good about this team. Go Flyers!

- SuperSchennBros



Manning is a better player than folin.
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 7 @ 3:03 PM ET
Hockeyal hello.
- flyer_nutter


Actually Raffl is a top 9 forward for this team, and useful on the PK. He is one of the few wings who can actually play defense. They need him!
HOWSMYDICTATE
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.30.2017

Jul 7 @ 3:05 PM ET
https://www.nbcsports.com...-was-sold-nhl-free-agency

JVR must be a huge fan of dinosaurs and non-progressive thinking
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 7 @ 3:07 PM ET
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/flyers/james-van-riemsdyk-did-his-homework-dave-hakstol-and-was-sold-nhl-free-agency

JVR must be a huge fan of dinosaurs and non-progressive thinking

- HOWSMYDICTATE

we know JVR likes to disappear for games so maybe hak told him he's ok with that
HOWSMYDICTATE
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.30.2017

Jul 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
we know JVR likes to disappear for games so maybe hak told him he's ok with that
- 2Real

but hak has no offensive vision and plays a boring defensive system and JVR hates defense
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
Hockeyal hello.
- flyer_nutter

goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Jul 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
raffl is useless trade or buy him out
- 2Real[/quote

Totally wrong .He played 8 different forward positions on the team and is in a contract year 2018/19.He is needed as joker and best defensive winger
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
"There really is no more than meets the eye right now to the Flyers' signing of defenseman Christian Folin to a one-year contract. They wanted a seventh defenseman with some NHL experience, preferably a righthanded player. That's why Folin was signed. He's righthanded and rounds up the top seven for now.

In and of itself, Folin's signing does not portend a trade involving Radko Gudas, nor does it significantly affect whether Phil Myers makes the team out of camp."

Exactly. Folin doesn't make the Flyers back 6 better at all. But I could see an instance where either Hagg is under-performing or Sanheim or Ghost need to be sat down when I would play Folin. At least he will try to go behind hos own net or to move someone from the crease, and do more than stand at the top of the faceoff circle and wait for others to defend.

If Laughton ends up being slotted as 3C or the team goes with their current top 6, it will be ugly. And once the season, Hexy will have to choose between giving up an asset or writing off the season to fix the obvious holes.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 7 @ 3:17 PM ET
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/flyers/james-van-riemsdyk-did-his-homework-dave-hakstol-and-was-sold-nhl-free-agency

JVR must be a huge fan of dinosaurs and non-progressive thinking

- HOWSMYDICTATE



Haters in shambles....
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Jul 7 @ 3:19 PM ET
Manning is a better player than folin.
- Tfaehner

Maybe was also against Manning leaving but Folin is a D-Man with a right handed
shot.Absolutely needed on this team as Gudas did a very average season
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 7 @ 3:27 PM ET
Maybe was also against Manning leaving but Folin is a D-Man with a right handed
shot.Absolutely needed on this team as Gudas did a very average season

- goenzoy


The signing was exactly what we needed and a guy that can fill in but won't take a spot from a kid. And we saw what manning got on the market no chance we were going to match that. I'm just saying people are over stating the player folin is. He is not a gudas replacement. He is not a top 6. He is a 7th man hence the contract he got.
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 7 @ 3:33 PM ET
The signing was exactly what we needed and a guy that can fill in but won't take a spot from a kid. And we saw what manning got on the market no chance we were going to match that. I'm just saying people are over stating the player folin is. He is not a gudas replacement. He is not a top 6. He is a 7th man hence the contract he got.
- Tfaehner


Exactly. He was signed to be the 7/8 guy on the depth chart. And when the coach sits you to play THAT GUY, it sends a message. Hope it happens early and often.

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 7 @ 3:34 PM ET
Had another kid this morning
- YuenglingJagr


Like I told you in the delivery room, "I'm so happy for us."

And I promise to be a bigger presence in your sons' lives than I am on this forum.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 7 @ 3:34 PM ET
Things must have been getting spicy at the YuenglingJagr household last October
- Mordecai


The Nolan Patty Boomers.
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 7 @ 3:38 PM ET
"As a result, the 33-year-old is still on the open market. I don't think the Flyers will sign him and would, instead, rather give Scott Laughton a crack at moving up to the third-line center role. Nevertheless, the longer Letestu remains unsigned, the more likely he become a one-year bargain for a team looking for a versatile veteran role player."

Instead of Letestu, who wouldn't really make the team better and would command more money, why not sign Derek Grant to be your new 4C and PK specialist. He had better stats than Laughton (24 points, +3, 53.3% FOW) and was an integral part of one of the league's best PKs. Sign him and trade Laughton for a 2nd round pick. If it works, package Morin with him and make it a 1st rounder.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 4:01 PM ET
Exactly. He was signed to be the 7/8 guy on the depth chart. And when the coach sits you to play THAT GUY, it sends a message. Hope it happens early and often.
- hockeyal


Me too! Sit that bum Gostisbehere and send him a message.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 4:02 PM ET
Mods, please change my name to HockeySal.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 7 @ 4:09 PM ET
Yeah, I can't see him being worth more than say a 4th at the very best. He's supposed to be a scoring forward but he doesn't generate much offense.

The thought of him trying to play center at the NHL level makes me shudder.

- hereticpride



I think different. I think Weal is a good player for generating offense. I see great potential in Weal. For instints Weal took over for an injury that occured during the season for a month and cashed in 11 points. That was preety much his only ice time except Weise being benched for a couple games and weal went to work! Weal can an amazing contributor to our team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 4:10 PM ET
"As a result, the 33-year-old is still on the open market. I don't think the Flyers will sign him and would, instead, rather give Scott Laughton a crack at moving up to the third-line center role. Nevertheless, the longer Letestu remains unsigned, the more likely he become a one-year bargain for a team looking for a versatile veteran role player."

Instead of Letestu, who wouldn't really make the team better and would command more money, why not sign Derek Grant to be your new 4C and PK specialist. He had better stats than Laughton (24 points, +3, 53.3% FOW) and was an integral part of one of the league's best PKs. Sign him and trade Laughton for a 2nd round pick. If it works, package Morin with him and make it a 1st rounder.

- hockeyal


Derek Grant was 9th in SH TOI/PG among Anaheim forwards last season.

Flyers won't make your suggested deal. Hextall is not incompetent.
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 7 @ 4:37 PM ET
Derek Grant was 9th in SH TOI/PG among Anaheim forwards last season.

Flyers won't make your suggested deal. Hextall is not incompetent.

- MJL


You are probably right about not making the deal, if for no other reason than it only makes sense if you resign yourself to the fact that Laughton is a bust. It doesn't hurt that the Flyers value players who throw the puck in the general direction of the net rather than on it. Hey, it still counts for Corsi! At least with JVR on the team, Ghost won't win the "What was he shooting at?" Derby anymore.

Notable: Grant S% = 18.5%, Laughton = 9.3%. But do we really care if they go IN the net? Of if we score more than the other guys? Apparently not!

Also, people talk about Laughton and the PK, but he didn't play much more than Grant (85 vs 53 min) but was on the ice for a lot more goals against. Of course, management thought Laughton would be a great replacement on the PK for PEB. Vegas was sure happy about that!
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