he can't if you delete your account
- twiztedmike

Maybe you should delete your account if you have nothing else to contribute

Maybe you should delete your account if you have nothing else to contribute
- DutchSenators

in that case I won't and I will make a greater effort to contribute around here!

in that case I won't and I will make a greater effort to contribute around here!
- twiztedmike

What's the best case scenario Trev?

Melnyk sells? Would that keep Karlsson a Sens player or it's just moving the chairs around on the titanic?
- Aussiepenguin

Varieties of Religious Experience, 1902, William James explains about the need to hit bottom. He said something along the lines that you need to descend to the deepest, darkest point of the pit of despair and when all hope has been abandoned the light finally breaks through from below. James was writing from the perspective of both psychology and theology.

Because of that I can find hope as I watch the Senators unravel. There will be little left of the team that went to the conference final a year ago. However, soon there will be an explosion of light breaking through.

You have the entire business, civic, media and sporting community united in their despair over what is happening. But on the other side is new local ownership, a new downtown arena, a young team and a vibrant fan base.

It is okay to be sad and disappointed over what is happening. Try to avoid becoming angered and enraged by the insanity of it all.

Right now it is hard to avoid being hooked into some of the irrational events. But, you need to resist. Pray, meditate, ask for patience. Winston Churchill wisely noted, in his reflections, that the darkest hour for the British people came to be understood as their finest hour. So, hang tough, we can endure.

I can't believe they traded Shane Bowers, that's like an underrated bad move.

well done!!
- forbetterorWORSE

TY

You guys would have to get mad at Nashville this time around though!

I'm just happy that someone else hates Ceci as much as I do.

By the start of the 2019-20 season:
1st overall pick in the 2019 draft gone
- Hoffman gone
- Karlsson gone
- Duchene gone
- Stone gone
- Pierre Dorion GONE!!
- ME gone
- .... Melnyk still here

Your's truly,
An extremely disgruntled (and soon to be former) Sens fan
- PavohnDatsvares

Yikes...
that's nuts!
Anderson too!
Well... they can golf with the Habs For the next few seasons at least!

TY

You guys would have to get mad at Nashville this time around though!
- mlindsay

I hated PK when he was a Hab , but only because he was so damn good. Now that he doesn't play in the east hes one of my fav players in the league.

I'm just happy that someone else hates Ceci as much as I do.

By the start of the 2019-20 season:
1st overall pick in the 2019 draft gone
- Hoffman gone
- Karlsson gone
- Duchene gone
- Stone gone
- Pierre Dorion GONE!!
- ME gone
- .... Melnyk still here

Your's truly,
An extremely disgruntled (and soon to be former) Sens fan
- PavohnDatsvares

So maybe it's not ALL bad then? Hopefully Boucher as well, that alone could be a huge improvement.

So maybe it's not ALL bad then? Hopefully Boucher as well, that alone could be a huge improvement.
- sportsdataguy

The Sens will need a coach like Boucher even more if all the talent evaporates. His soul sucking system can win games for teams that can't score.

So maybe it's not ALL bad then? Hopefully Boucher as well, that alone could be a huge improvement.
- sportsdataguy

I'm not a big Boucher fan, but I'll say none of this is his fault. I wanted him fired a while ago but I've warmed up to the idea of keeping him on board. We've gone through so many coaches at this point, might as well try to stick it out with one.

All of this talk about Karlsson getting traded and Kuch ending up with the Rangers.

Why not just let TB work out an extension for Karlsson and we work out an extension with Kuch and do a trade that way. Both teams get and lose superstars and both bring a new dynamic to each team.

Who knows what discussions have happened. I was listening to tsn this morning and they were saying that there wont be a Karlsson trade anytime soon and a resigning is still very possible, and yet two days ago they were saying a deal was done.

I wish they would stick with one story line lol

maybe you can all be reverse-spatso's and cheer for the Leafs and say intelligible things!!
- twiztedmike

I suggested this to one gentlemen in the previous Sens thread. There are some good posters around here who are grounded in reality. Already well on their way to becoming reverse spatsos.

Come on man.
Only one team wins every year, so at some point everyone has an interest, however minor in cheering for another team.

Find another team you want to cheer for while the Sens rebuild. I have been doing it that for like 45 years as a Leafs fan.

You can't jump ship so quickly.
- Aetherial

I'm not literally leaving the Sens. It's just I'm so PISSED right now. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'll still be a Sens fan if we go 0-82-0 for the next 3 year's straight.

I'm not a big Boucher fan, but I'll say none of this is his fault. I wanted him fired a while ago but I've warmed up to the idea of keeping him on board. We've gone through so many coaches at this point, might as well try to stick it out with one.

All of this talk about Karlsson getting traded and Kuch ending up with the Rangers.

Why not just let TB work out an extension for Karlsson and we work out an extension with Kuch and do a trade that way. Both teams get and lose superstars and both bring a new dynamic to each team.

Who knows what discussions have happened. I was listening to tsn this morning and they were saying that there wont be a Karlsson trade anytime soon and a resigning is still very possible, and yet two days ago they were saying a deal was done.

I wish they would stick with one story line lol
- Maverick1818

Nobody good wants to sign long term in ottawa right now

Nobody good wants to sign long term in ottawa right now
- Tumbleweed

Actually it's funny you say that, they have been interviewing quite a few people on the team 1200 over the last week or so and all of which have said the same thing. Duchene has put himself into a great position to cash in big on a long term deal and he seems to want too.

Same with Stone (Although with Arbitration filed, take that with a grain of salt)

But the one general consensus everyone has been saying is that even with all this Karlsson stuff going on Chabot, White, Brown, Formenton, Tkachuk and all the young guys have all been super excited and the feeling in the room during development camp is that it's the young guys time to come in and make a difference.

Pierre Mcguire was saying he hasn't seen a more positive young group of guys and feeling in a room like that in years from any team.

It might be me being overly positive, yes it's dark times right now, but I think as soon as Karlsson is either resigned or traded. It's going to be a quick turn around. I'm still sticking with this team is much better then our record showed last year. I'm also sticking with the young guys we have coming will be quite good.

Didn’t Stone want out a year ago because he didn’t like Boucher’s coaching style? Have so many terrible things happened since then that I’m misremembering?

I hated PK when he was a Hab , but only because he was so damn good. Now that he doesn't play in the east hes one of my fav players in the league.
- forbetterorWORSE

I know many Leafs fans who changed their tune on him once he didn't wear Bleu, Blanc et Rouge.

Didn’t Stone want out a year ago because he didn’t like Boucher’s coaching style? Have so many terrible things happened since then that I’m misremembering?
- CooCooKaChoo

Was Stone much of a factor last season? I don't recall much about him really. That's likely because all you heard about last year around here was the Leafs though.

What's the best case scenario Trev?

Melnyk sells? Would that keep Karlsson a Sens player or it's just moving the chairs around on the titanic?
- Aussiepenguin

Only scenario where Sens fans are happy moving forward is if Melnyk sells. If it means that we have to see Karlsson go in order for Melnyk to sell, I'll take that trade-off sadly.

Only scenario where Sens fans are happy moving forward is if Melnyk sells. If it means that we have to see Karlsson go in order for Melnyk to sell, I'll take that trade-off sadly.
- Trevor Shackles

I think something just has to give at this point. EK is going and seems like it is imminent even if they don't trade him right now. He will leave. At this point the good news is there is some solid vets who want to be there and a lot of hyped up young guys coming in that see opportunity.

It all is going to start with Melnyk really. IF/When they can get him out of the way, then it is dominos really. I think new ownership comes in and likely cleans house on Dorion and quite possibly Boucher even really.

I think the big thing for Boucher and Dorion at this point is to handle Ceci and Stone, and get Dutch signed and show the first two there they want and need to be here long term so can get them on extensions as well.

Only scenario where Sens fans are happy moving forward is if Melnyk sells. If it means that we have to see Karlsson go in order for Melnyk to sell, I'll take that trade-off sadly.
- Trevor Shackles

If EK65 leaves for an underwhelming return without some quality pieces back, we're in a rebuild. And I'd be okay with that given how strong the top of the Atlantic division is right now. It's gonna be a tooth-and-nail battle just to get a Wildcard spot for the remaining teams, most of whom have improved.

What I really won't tolerate is if PD and EM then try to sell us on being a competitive team in that case. Those two could teach a course in Denial 101.

It's time for people to get more realistic about the role Ceci will have in the upcoming season. The Senators had 6-men who played 15min/gp or more in 2017/18, of which only Chabot & Ceci are likely to be returning this year (the other 4 were Karlsson, Phaneuf, Oduya & Claesson). And while there will certainly be a larger role for Chabot this year, Ceci had the 2nd most ice time of anyone on the team, led the team in blocked shots by a mile, had the 2nd most hits on the team, had by far the most SH time of any d-man (more than Karlsson & Phaneuf combined), had the 2nd most SOG among d-men, and was the only player on the entire team to play in all 82GP. There's no realistic scenario where Ceci plays a less prominent role next year, especially given how many of their big-minute d-men are no longer on the roster.
- khawk

Have you watched him play? He's soft and has terrible positioning.

Varieties of Religious Experience, 1902, William James explains about the need to hit bottom. He said something along the lines that you need to descend to the deepest, darkest point of the pit of despair and when all hope has been abandoned the light finally breaks through from below. James was writing from the perspective of both psychology and theology.

Because of that I can find hope as I watch the Senators unravel. There will be little left of the team that went to the conference final a year ago. However, soon there will be an explosion of light breaking through.

You have the entire business, civic, media and sporting community united in their despair over what is happening. But on the other side is new local ownership, a new downtown arena, a young team and a vibrant fan base.

It is okay to be sad and disappointed over what is happening. Try to avoid becoming angered and enraged by the insanity of it all.

Right now it is hard to avoid being hooked into some of the irrational events. But, you need to resist. Pray, meditate, ask for patience. Winston Churchill wisely noted, in his reflections, that the darkest hour for the British people came to be understood as their finest hour. So, hang tough, we can endure.
- spatso

This was real enlightening thank you spatso. These are tough times for us all so I leave you with this passage for some inspiration and hope you can all find the strength and resolve you will need:

His answer was: “My grace is all you need, for my power is greatest when you are weak.” I am most happy, then, to be proud of my weaknesses, in order to feel the protection of Christ's power over me.– 2 Corinthians 12:9

I'm not a big Boucher fan, but I'll say none of this is his fault. I wanted him fired a while ago but I've warmed up to the idea of keeping him on board. We've gone through so many coaches at this point, might as well try to stick it out with one.

All of this talk about Karlsson getting traded and Kuch ending up with the Rangers.

Why not just let TB work out an extension for Karlsson and we work out an extension with Kuch and do a trade that way. Both teams get and lose superstars and both bring a new dynamic to each team.

Who knows what discussions have happened. I was listening to tsn this morning and they were saying that there wont be a Karlsson trade anytime soon and a resigning is still very possible, and yet two days ago they were saying a deal was done.

I wish they would stick with one story line lol
- Maverick1818

Why would Kucherov work out an extension with Ottawa. He can refuse to extend with ANYONE and if that nixes the deal then he stays in Tampa where I am guessing he would far rather be.

Have you watched him play? He's soft and has terrible positioning.
- PavohnDatsvares

I'm not saying I like Ceci, or that I agree with how much he was played last year. What I am saying is that when you consider how the team deployed their d-men last year, it's more than a bit difficult to explain how they're going to compensate for the loss of both Karlsson and Phaneuf without relying at least as much on Ceci as they did last year. Even if they do get a quality LHD like Sergachev or Theodore in a Karlsson trade, they're far more likely to play them with Ceci than anyone else on the roster... and that would still leave a big hole in the top-4 in terms of a quality RHD partner for Chabot (i.e. one that won't completely screw up his development and confidence as a blue chip prospect).