Its all doom and gloom

Cmon Shackles i know its not pretty now but find something good to write about
- spazzbot

Kinda hard right now, the Karlsson stuff is just hovering over all of us

even last place only has a 18% chance of first pick
- spazzbot

I don't like tanking, but we can all thank Buffalo and Arizona for that during the McDavid year. The NHL system was fairly generous, but not overly so. Blatantly tanking like they did made the NHL change so bad that if people are really tracking it, you might win the first pick if you are last overall, but anywhere from 2-5 can be a real kick in the sack if you're racing for the bottom, because you are almost guaranteed a drop somewhere in there

even last place only has a 18% chance of first pick
- spazzbot

I think waiting till next year would have given them a 100% shot at a better pick than Tkachuk.


Then again, they could have picked someone better this season, too.

I don't like tanking, but we can all thank Buffalo and Arizona for that during the McDavid year. The NHL system was fairly generous, but not overly so. Blatantly tanking like they did made the NHL change so bad that if people are really tracking it, you might win the first pick if you are last overall, but anywhere from 2-5 can be a real kick in the sack if you're racing for the bottom, because you are almost guaranteed a drop somewhere in there
- AllInForFlyers

If only that were true. But unfortunately, you can probably blame Edmonton for that one. At the Time, the plans were for the new system to go into place during the 2015 draft but Buffalo GM Tim Murray ended up either getting his way or convincing enough GMs to put it on hold for another season. It is mostly why last place finish changed from 50% to 25% chance of winning the lottery for that draft. Must have been what they compromised with. I don't have a link because it was a while ago but as a Sabres fan and someone who was paying close attention at the time, that was very much the case. The 2015 season had no affect at all on the Draft Lottery changes.

I'm just happy that someone else hates Ceci as much as I do.

By the start of the 2019-20 season:
1st overall pick in the 2019 draft gone
- Hoffman gone
- Karlsson gone
- Duchene gone
- Stone gone
- Pierre Dorion GONE!!
- ME gone
- .... Melnyk still here

Your's truly,
An extremely disgruntled (and soon to be former) Sens fan

A. Nylander and a 1st for Stone?
- jcragcrumple

Done. Where do I sign?

It's a risk for Stone to go with a one year deal and then hit FA...

He could get a micro fracture!
- mlindsay

well done!!

The thing that is incredibly shocking for me is the sens have a perfect chance at getting what could very possibly be the first over all pick back from the avalanche and I don’t know if pride is getting in the way or what but you could get a potential generational player who could play ten years or more by trading Karlsson to the avs for the first Barrie and maybe a Goalie swap and they won’t do it. They wanna ask far more than they should when they could have a good young defensmen back and a great player in the next draft and a goalie who yes when healthy is amazing. How you guys are screwing that one up is beyond me. Even if you lose the trade in the beginning you win down the road which is what the sens should be thinking about. They aren’t a win now team and won’t be for a long time after this.
- Avs33

The problem with that is it would essentially mean we traded Karlsson, Turris, Bowers, Hammond, a first round pick, and whatever the other pick was, plus the prospects and picks from Nashville for Duchene. That's a HUGE haul for Duchene. Yet sadly, it isn't a horrible idea.

What's the best case scenario Trev?

Melnyk sells? Would that keep Karlsson a Sens player or it's just moving the chairs around on the titanic?

Kinda hard right now, the Karlsson stuff is just hovering over all of us
- Trevor Shackles

It is the beginning of the turning around of the franchise.
You have to look at that positive angle.

It is the beginning of the turning around of the franchise.
You have to look at that positive angle.
- Aetherial

That depends on the return. A good return gives the fans a boost, a bad return just fuels more flames & pisses the fans off more.

Are they prepared to be 'Tavaresed' (my word but you can use it ), because although that allows them to play hard ball it's a yuuge risk. It will also allow the pressure to be on other GM's although him saying Tampa is the team he wants to play in has basically screwed Dorian over completely.

I'd play hard ball & keep Karlsson till the deadline fully intending to let him walk if I cannot get a good return. Something better than nothing? Maybe. But Tampa having that little more pressure on them may give Dorian a better return. I'd Also stop Karlssons agent from talking to other teams immediately.

The other problem is if you end up trading him elsewhere and the pick is even just in the top 5 I would think most people look at the sens and think what’s wrong with you! You fools.

The problem with that is it would essentially mean we traded Karlsson, Turris, Bowers, Hammond, a first round pick, and whatever the other pick was, plus the prospects and picks from Nashville for Duchene. That's a HUGE haul for Duchene. Yet sadly, it isn't a horrible idea.
- PavohnDatsvares

It is the beginning of the turning around of the franchise.
You have to look at that positive angle.
- Aetherial

Absolutely.
We aren’t good enough to win for the next 3 years during Karlsson’s prime. Get the best return possible and build for the future. Karlsson gets a great shot at getting a cup.

I'm just happy that someone else hates Ceci as much as I do.

By the start of the 2019-20 season:
1st overall pick in the 2019 draft gone
- Hoffman gone
- Karlsson gone
- Duchene gone
- Stone gone
- Pierre Dorion GONE!!
- ME gone
- .... Melnyk still here

Your's truly,
An extremely disgruntled (and soon to be former) Sens fan
- PavohnDatsvares

Come on man.
Only one team wins every year, so at some point everyone has an interest, however minor in cheering for another team.

Find another team you want to cheer for while the Sens rebuild. I have been doing it that for like 45 years as a Leafs fan.

You can't jump ship so quickly.

Absolutely.
We aren’t good enough to win for the next 3 years during Karlsson’s prime. Get the best return possible and build for the future. Karlsson gets a great shot at getting a cup.
- SensFan25

Question is what is that return? What's acceptable & what's not?

If I was Mark Stone I would either: A. Ask for the moon and then some because what the (frank) else does Ottawa have going for them or B. Wait until Ottawa turns down his contract demand because it's Ottawa and they will, and then walk for a BIG payday

Dorion will hold onto Karlsson. Thinking the price will go up when Karlsson lights it up during the season. EK blows out his knee game 3. No one trades for him and he walks in the offseasons.

If I was Mark Stone I would either: A. Ask for the moon and then some because what the (frank) else does Ottawa have going for them or B. Wait until Ottawa turns down his contract demand because it's Ottawa and they will, and then walk for a BIG payday
- tryhard

In arbitration doesn't the abitrator decide what the salary is & the team either Yays or neys? Then both sides get stuck into a straw sandwich followed by a gallop around Ottawa?

Come on man.
Only one team wins every year, so at some point everyone has an interest, however minor in cheering for another team.

Find another team you want to cheer for while the Sens rebuild. I have been doing it that for like 45 years as a Leafs fan.

You can't jump ship so quickly.
- Aetherial

I agree

I agree
- AlfieisKing

Yeah not really a shocker that you would agree. Just keep hopping from bandwagon to bandwagon.

I'm just happy that someone else hates Ceci as much as I do.
- PavohnDatsvares

It's time for people to get more realistic about the role Ceci will have in the upcoming season. The Senators had 6-men who played 15min/gp or more in 2017/18, of which only Chabot & Ceci are likely to be returning this year (the other 4 were Karlsson, Phaneuf, Oduya & Claesson). And while there will certainly be a larger role for Chabot this year, Ceci had the 2nd most ice time of anyone on the team, led the team in blocked shots by a mile, had the 2nd most hits on the team, had by far the most SH time of any d-man (more than Karlsson & Phaneuf combined), had the 2nd most SOG among d-men, and was the only player on the entire team to play in all 82GP. There's no realistic scenario where Ceci plays a less prominent role next year, especially given how many of their big-minute d-men are no longer on the roster.

Yeah not really a shocker that you would agree. Just keep hopping from bandwagon to bandwagon.
- Confidenceking77

delete your ackount!!!!

maybe you can all be reverse-spatso's and cheer for the Leafs and say intelligible things!!

Yeah not really a shocker that you would agree. Just keep hopping from bandwagon to bandwagon.
- Confidenceking77

don't respond to any of my messages again

don't respond to any of my messages again
- AlfieisKing

he can't if you delete your account