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RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:17 PM ET
Toronto next year.
Tavares @ 11
Matthews @ 11
Marleau @ 6.25
Marner @ 8
Reilly @ 5
Horton @ 5.3
Nylander @ 7
Zaitsev @ 4.5
Andersen @ 5

That too is an astounding 63 million on 9 guys.... and one of them isn't even on your roster......

- Smurffin
Why yes, of course, I forgot Matthews, Marner, and Nylander have already signed extensions.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 1:17 PM ET
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- Smurffin


Crawl back into the sewer from which you were spawned you piece of poop troll.


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Toronto next year.
Tavares @ 11
Matthews @ 11
Marleau @ 6.25
Marner @ 8
Reilly @ 5
Horton @ 5.3
Nylander @ 7
Zaitsev @ 4.5
Andersen @ 5

That too is an astounding 63 million on 9 guys.... and one of them isn't even on your roster......

- Smurffin


and 2 would have to go to fit in karlsson...nylander and zaitsev.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
montreal
weber
ouch
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Toronto next year.
Tavares @ 11
Matthews @ 11
Marleau @ 6.25
Marner @ 8
Reilly @ 5
Horton @ 5.3
Nylander @ 7
Zaitsev @ 4.5
Andersen @ 5

That too is an astounding 63 million on 9 guys.... and one of them isn't even on your roster......

- Smurffin


Yeah and we get cap relief for that guy.

And Marleau only has 1 more year after this one ... if that. He could well be traded before then, perhaps back to San Jose for his final year?

Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Horton matters not

Horton gives a who

- Lucas.Neilson

Poor guy...makes me sad every time I think about him.

Not the elephant - just to be clear.
mcleafs
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.01.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Toronto next year.
Tavares @ 11
Matthews @ 11
Marleau @ 6.25
Marner @ 8
Reilly @ 5
Horton @ 5.3
Nylander @ 7
Zaitsev @ 4.5
Andersen @ 5

That too is an astounding 63 million on 9 guys.... and one of them isn't even on your roster......

- Smurffin

It's not about the 9 players that is the problem with Tampa, it's about Point. Sergachev and Vasi all needing big extensions right away with all of that.

The Leafs won't have that, they'll have the core locked up and simply have to move on with low cost everywhere else.

Tampa would have to make major moves at a disadvantage to keep those 3, which they absolutely must IMO.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Toronto next year.
Tavares @ 11
Matthews @ 11
Marleau @ 6.25
Marner @ 8
Reilly @ 5
Horton @ 5.3
Nylander @ 7
Zaitsev @ 4.5
Andersen @ 5

That too is an astounding 63 million on 9 guys.... and one of them isn't even on your roster......

- Smurffin


Then you'd subtract it, obviously.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 5 @ 1:19 PM ET

- Tumbleweed


Sorry John, we traded you to the Sens....we realized we need better D.

At least he'd still be in his home province.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 1:19 PM ET
what
- Woderwick


Here's what

Whoever signs that contract is going to regret it.

I would not even give up Sergachev straight up.


Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
Then you'd subtract it, obviously.
- GreatGigInTheSky

math r hard
Schennski
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
based on his last 2-3 seasons and the fact that Gardiner is already a 50 point defenseman on the Leafs, Karlsson isnt worth either of those deals

Also, I wouldn't trade Reilly for Karlsson up straight, given Toronto needs shut down Dmen, not an upgraded Jake Gardiner.

- Buggy166


Karlsson is an upgraded Gardiner that has won 2 Norris trophies been nominated twice more and a been a first team all star 5 times.

Basically if Jake Gardiner was the top Dman of his generation, Karlsson would be Jake Gardiner.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
It's not about the 9 players that is the problem with Tampa, it's about Point. Sergachev and Vasi all needing big extensions right away with all of that.

The Leafs won't have that, they'll have the core locked up and simply have to move on with low cost everywhere else.

Tampa would have to make major moves at a disadvantage to keep those 3, which they absolutely must IMO.

- mcleafs


Tampa would have to hope their newer prospects can replace those guys looking for raises and trade them for picks/other prospects. To be honest, I'd rather be in this situation with the cap and being competitive than be in the basement and still dealing with cap problems like the Oilers.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
This hands down. Seriously when will these (frank)s get it into their thick neanderthal skulls that not everything in hcokey has to do with Toronto. Any (frank)ing team that has the assets to acquire Karlsson would make a deal to get him... get off your (frank)ing high horses.
- Smurffin


Leafs blogger blogs about the Leafs...who would have thunk eh?

winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
montreal
weber
ouch

- Lucas.Neilson

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
CHOOSE THE FORM OF THE DESTRUCTOR!
- GalacticStone


I choose the form of the Goal Light behind the Home Team's net at the Amalie.


Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
Karlsson is an upgraded Gardiner that has won 2 Norris trophies been nominated twice more and a been a first team all star 5 times.

Basically if Jake Gardiner was the top Dman of his generation, Karlsson would be Jake Gardiner.

- Schennski


I have one problem. We are not sure if Karlsson's ankle injuries are adding up and if he'll ever be Norris winner Karlsson again.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
montreal
weber
ouch

- Lucas.Neilson

You just worry about Buston Glassthews.



I should've trademarked that when I had the chance
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:22 PM ET
Here's what

Whoever signs that contract is going to regret it.

I would not even give up Sergachev straight up.

- Aetherial

You don't think he'd be pretty on the Leafs roster for a few years. Leafs offense would be sick, wouldn't you think? Built to run and gun now, with EK wait a sec...
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:23 PM ET
Leafs blogger blogs about the Leafs...who would have thunk eh?
- Garnie

Seriously. If Toronto really was the center of the universe MiB would be raking in the dough with angles of the other 30 teams and how their moves all center around the TML.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:23 PM ET
Here's how this could happen (although I am far from convinced that it will) :

Salary cap concerns - If Yzerman was in on Tavares, then obviously he had a plan of action in place to fit in Tavares' contract. A Karlsson contract wouldn't be too different from a Karlsson contract in terms of caphit or term. So, how does Yzerman the warlock make it happen?

Buy out Callahan.

Trade Killorn or Johnson.

Sergachev goes to Ottawa as part of the deal - there goes any worry about his next contract.

It's not that outlandish. Vinik has shown he will spend to the max to win, and Yzerman is adept at using his Jedi Mind Tricks to glamour other GM's.

From this Tampa fan's perspective, I'd rather Karlsson go out west somewhere - maybe Dallas or San Jose or Vegas. Karlsson is great, but he has peaked and will likely never put up Norris numbers again while skating on a surgically-altered ankle that is missing a bone. Karlsson himself said his skating has lost a touch. If the cost to acquire Karlsson is Sergachev or Point, I would decline the trade if I was Yzerman. I honestly don't think Karlsson is worth north of $10 or $11 million per season. A few years ago, yes. Now? No.



GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 5 @ 1:23 PM ET
I have one problem. We are not sure if Karlsson's ankle injuries are adding up and if he'll ever be Norris winner Karlsson again.
- Aaron_85


They mostly just give it to the guy with the most points, not the actual best defenseman. So there's a very good chance that he'll be nominated again.
mcleafs
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.01.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:23 PM ET
Tampa would have to hope their newer prospects can replace those guys looking for raises and trade them for picks/other prospects. To be honest, I'd rather be in this situation with the cap and being competitive than be in the basement and still dealing with cap problems like the Oilers.
- Aaron_85

Oh I'm totally with you, and I agree it's not as if Tampa is screwed. The biggest problem is unless they want to get hosed on giving away Palat, Paquette and Johnson (or trying to 'give away' Callahan), Raddysh, Cirelli and Foote might all have to go as well.

It's a real tough position to put yourself in just to add one more player, even with how good he is.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:23 PM ET
Karlsson is an upgraded Gardiner that has won 2 Norris trophies been nominated twice more and a been a first team all star 5 times.

Basically if Jake Gardiner was the top Dman of his generation, Karlsson would be Jake Gardiner.

- Schennski

Gardiner makes motorcycle noises when he carries the puck.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 1:25 PM ET
You don't think he'd be pretty on the Leafs roster for a few years. Leafs offense would be sick, wouldn't you think? Built to run and gun now, with EK wait a sec...
- Woderwick


At some point, you need people who can play defense. Ottawa fans have been telling us how great he is defensively for years.

He isn't. He sucks in his own end.

If Tampa has to give up anything like Sergachev, or not resign someone next season, they will be weaker overall.
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