Actually Elias Pettersson is
- LeftCoaster

Are you challenging Bolts91 to a duel?

If you get Sergachev you win the trade.

Addition by subtraction.

People love to discount +/- but the fact is Karlsson has been on the ice for more even strength goals against than for. When I looked last year, he was the ONLY top 20 defenseman you could say that about.

Despite what the advanced stats people want to claim, he didn't get all those minuses just as he was skating off the ice on a line change and he wasn't in on every + play either.

That stat also fully agrees with the eye test that suggests Karlsson looks a lot like Gardiner in his own end.
- Aetherial

Rielly has never has a season with a +
i guess the same applies to him?

Are you challenging Bolts91 to a duel?
- Symba007

Pffft, Kucherov has nothing on Pettersson man, guys out to lunch!!

Are you challenging Bolts91 to a duel?
- Symba007

Yes. I’m armed with UGisms, and I’m not afraid to use them...out of context.

Kucherov is the best hockey player in the world.
- Symba007

Mattvares is.


Mattvares!

Yes. I’m armed with UGisms, and I’m not afraid to use them...out of context.
- Steven_Seagull

Didn't back read, I assume UG went on another rant.

Was thinking about the trade rumor....If Tampa has to give up Kucherov and Sergachev for Erik Karlsson, is it really worth it for Tampa Bay?

Are you challenging Bolts91 to a duel?
- Symba007

This sounds like some modern version of a medieval jousting tournament. I'll lead with Lucic

Mattvares is.


Mattvares!
- Fakepartofme

Johnston Mattvares

I like it

If you get Sergachev you win the trade.

Addition by subtraction.

People love to discount +/- but the fact is Karlsson has been on the ice for more even strength goals against than for. When I looked last year, he was the ONLY top 20 defenseman you could say that about.

Despite what the advanced stats people want to claim, he didn't get all those minuses just as he was skating off the ice on a line change and he wasn't in on every + play either.

That stat also fully agrees with the eye test that suggests Karlsson looks a lot like Gardiner in his own end.
- Aetherial

+/- is a bullsh!t stat.
And no...karlsson is not as bad as gardiner defensively.

Johnston Mattvares

I like it
- TheMussel

Ya boy!

+/- is a bullsh!t stat.
And no...karlsson is not as bad as gardiner defensively.
- Fakepartofme

I agree its not a good stat alone, but when used in conjunction with other things it can have some value as a piece of a puzzle. Based on what ive seen of Karlsson, he isnt a good defensive defender. He does however help control the play.

Im not a huge fan of Karlsson though, Id take Doughty over Karlsson all day for example.

Did Rick Nash retire to eat all the cheeseburgers he could afford yet?

Jared Spurgeon

Spurgeon finished the season a point shy of his total from the year before in 15 fewer games. However, he had the highest P/60 among all defenceman on the Wild who played at least 1,000 minutes at 5v5.

Another thing that sets him aside from the Leafs’ two top guys in Rielly and Gardiner are his shot generation (RelCF/60) and expected goal differential (xG+/-) where the latter is a predictive stat for scoring that factors in shot quality, location, and type. Spurgeon’s 16.18 was second in the league among defencemen at 5v5.

At the same time, he’s a superb skater and is as impactful defensively as he is offensively. Positioning and attention to detail are at the forefront of Spurgeon’s skill set in that department.

Ok, now that you've clarified your position on wake and bake, we can proceed with the debate under more realistic conditions... so my response to you is, Purple. Monkey. Dishwasher. Oreos. Do you see the connection? Cool.
- gravyface

Lol

And that leads us back to......

Barkov, Ekblad, Matheson
for
Matthews and Gardiner

🤘
- mr.sir

Trade proposal of the year 👍

Anyone (seagull) who thinks otherwise is a bonkhead

Trade proposal of the year 👍

Anyone (seagull) who thinks otherwise is a bonkhead
- mr.sir

I would trade Tavares instead.

Trade proposal of the year 👍

Anyone (seagull) who thinks otherwise is a bonkhead
- mr.sir

gross

I would trade Tavares instead.
- RickJames77

Dont touch our Tavares you perv

I would trade Tavares instead.
- RickJames77

July 1st; We can't wait for the season to start. To have you here for 7 years is gonna be great for the franchise and the city.

July 6th; Sorry, bud... You've been traded to.... Ottawa. We hope you enjoyed your time as a Maple Leaf.

July 1st; We can't wait for the season to start. To have you here for 7 years is gonna be great for the franchise and the city.

July 6th; Sorry, bud... You've been traded to.... Ottawa. We hope you enjoyed your time as a Maple Leaf.
- PatC80

What a fool for not asking a NMC!

+/- is a bullsh!t stat.
And no...karlsson is not as bad as gardiner defensively.
- Fakepartofme

Gardiner is bad defensively now? Oh right, he's the full-time whipping boy now that Bozak and JVR are gone.

Gardiner is bad defensively now? Oh right, he's the full-time whipping boy now that Bozak and JVR are gone.
- gravyface

What?

Are you saying Gardiner is strong defensively?

What?

Are you saying Gardiner is strong defensively?
- mr.sir

that's exactly what he said

Gardiner is bad defensively now? Oh right, he's the full-time whipping boy now that Bozak and JVR are gone.
- gravyface

What do you mean now?

What do you mean now?
- Scabeh

I think he means NOW as in, you guys only noticed Gardiner is bad defensively, now