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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 5 @ 11:44 AM ET
Once Hagg is signed and Leier or whoever is replacing him is added to the roster they will still have around 10 million in cap space. Wonder what is the most cap space the Flyers have ever had going into a season not counting this season.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jul 5 @ 11:46 AM ET
The longer it takes to get a trade done, the less leverage the Sens have. Teams aren't going to throw away everything for one guy. The price will go down IMO.

Folin signing pretty much says all we need to about the chances EK comes here.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 5 @ 11:48 AM ET
The longer it takes to get a trade done, the less leverage the Sens have. Teams aren't going to throw away everything for one guy. The price will go down IMO.

Folin signing pretty much says all we need to about the chances EK comes here.

- Pelle31Forever

Folin is our Karlsson replacement?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 5 @ 11:48 AM ET
Once Hagg is signed and Leier or whoever is replacing him is added to the roster they will still have around 10 million in cap space. Wonder what is the most cap space the Flyers have ever had going into a season not counting this season.
- nastyflyergirl

it is certainly the most since I have been following them closely
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 5 @ 11:49 AM ET
Why pay 6M for a 15 goal scorer. Who cares that he's from Philly suburbs Jersey.
- Pixote Andolini


Awwww.....don't you, as a Flyers fan, want in on this adorable new trend of bringing guys home?

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 5 @ 11:52 AM ET
Awwww.....don't you, as a Flyers fan, want in on this adorable new trend of bringing guys home?


- johndewar


Yes, I would love for the Flyers to acquire Johnny Gaudreau.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 5 @ 11:56 AM ET
did you see how much?
- Ftown19125


No, but I can't imagine it's anything that will break the bank and I think he'd be a nice 6/7 guy over others they have had in the past
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 5 @ 11:58 AM ET
No, but I can't imagine it's anything that will break the bank and I think he'd be a nice 6/7 guy over others they have had in the past
- Streit2ThePoint


675K. Relatively nothing.

He's definitely an upgrade on the Kurtis Foster/Carlo Coliacovo types.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 5 @ 12:03 PM ET
TSN reporting that Shea Weber is out til December.


https://www.tsn.ca/habs-w...-least-december-1.1131722
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 12:04 PM ET
Folin is our Karlsson replacement?
- YuenglingJagr


Folin out ankles Karlsson
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:04 PM ET
TSN reporting that Shea Weber is out til December.


https://www.tsn.ca/habs-w...-least-december-1.1131722

- Doc_Sarcasm


u r leight
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:05 PM ET
Folin out ankles Karlsson
- Scoob


Having functional ankles in an overrated characteristic of a hockey player, much like +/-.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 5 @ 12:07 PM ET
I don't want Karlsson but if these are serious reports, I think you have include Ghost. Out of Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Morin, Hagg and Ghost. I see Ghost being the first shoe to drop in the coming years anyway. He's the oldest. Would bring back the most value in a deal. Provorov and Sanheim's production should make up for Ghost's production. Ghost is average at best defensively.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 5 @ 12:08 PM ET
I don't care if Leier ever players for the Flyers again.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 5 @ 12:10 PM ET
u r leight
- jmatchett383



Soooo... EK to San Jose who then flip him to Montreal?
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:11 PM ET
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That was what I was thinking as I read through Bill's scenario.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:12 PM ET
I don't want Karlsson but if these are serious reports, I think you have include Ghost. Out of Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Morin, Hagg and Ghost. I see Ghost being the first shoe to drop in the coming years anyway. He's the oldest. Would bring back the most value in a deal. Provorov and Sanheim's production should make up for Ghost's production. Ghost is average at best defensively.
- SuperSchennBros


I agree with you in general. However, out of them all, the only two who have a proven track record at the NHL level are Provorov and Ghost. Sanheim and Myers should be good 2nd pairing types, Hagg had a decent rookie season, and if Morin csn stay healthy, he should be a very good shutdown type player.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just that I want to see a large sample of Sanheim and/or Myers at this level before I say they can replace what Ghost brings.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 12:19 PM ET
I don't want Karlsson but if these are serious reports, I think you have include Ghost. Out of Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Morin, Hagg and Ghost. I see Ghost being the first shoe to drop in the coming years anyway. He's the oldest. Would bring back the most value in a deal. Provorov and Sanheim's production should make up for Ghost's production. Ghost is average at best defensively.
- SuperSchennBros


Yup - plus his contract is a gem
all-pgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 05.14.2014

Jul 5 @ 12:21 PM ET
Outpointed Karlsson last year?! You realize that Karlsson missed over a month of hockey coming back from major surgery and scored almost all of his 62 points in the last half of the season. Take off the blinders, no way would there ever be a straight up trade for Karlsson with the ghost.
- jaz258

You know the orange Kool-Aid is flowing full force when people are only willing to give up some scraps for Karlsson
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jul 5 @ 12:24 PM ET
Folin is our Karlsson replacement?
- YuenglingJagr


No I meant it as Hextall is probably done shopping for defensemen.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:26 PM ET
Happy Birthday, Johnny Vermont.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 5 @ 12:27 PM ET
That was what I was thinking as I read through Bill's scenario.
- bodiva88




leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jul 5 @ 12:59 PM ET
[quote=YuenglingJagr]

Thanks!
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 5 @ 1:16 PM ET
Liked the Folin signing -- just a depth guy, should be OK for the 30 or so games that he would play optimally

As for Karlsson: The Flyers could do it if they chose, which I said last year and got absolutely lambasted.

It's really two different conversations: Whether they can and whether they should.

We already know they can. Whether they should...I go back and forth. I'm not as wedded to prospects as some. It wouldn't bother me to move a couple of prospects, even good ones. The only one I wouldn't consider is probably Frost.

The problem is the roster player. They gotta ask for Ghost or Sanheim. You can't do Ghost and you probably shouldn't do Sanheim.

So in reality, there's really no deal to be made. I love Erik Karlsson and I do think he is one of the 3-5 best players in the sport.

But sometimes, you just don't line up right for a deal. The Flyers have many amazing pieces. But they just don't have enough high-end defensive depth in the prospect pool to make this particular move, which is fine. Just the way it is
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:19 PM ET
Folin 1 year, 800k vs Manning 2 years, 2.25 per
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