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Myfreedomisback
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.07.2018

Jul 5 @ 8:43 PM ET
Have to say, hextall signing JVR makes me feel more confident in him. First time he showed if the situation and timing is right he will pull the trigger.
- funmaster18

Agreed. I like his patience and he is building a winning team piece by piece.

Trust the process
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 5 @ 8:43 PM ET
when is hextall going to make an insanely great signing like boogies cousins for 5 mil
that' is how you win championships my boys
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jul 5 @ 8:55 PM ET
Not to be a negative nancy but I really hope Tampa doesn't get Karlsson. If they do I really don't see how we beat them in a series in the remaining years of G/Jake's prime. With Karlsson they're absolutely stacked and will own the East.
- hereticpride



You mean like all those years the Caps were stacked and didnt win the cup?
Until this year where on paper they were not nearly as good as previous teams.

Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 5 @ 8:59 PM ET
when is hextall going to make an insanely great signing like boogies cousins for 5 mil
that' is how you win championships my boys

- 2Real

Something tells me three championships in 4 years and four of the top 20 players in the league is pretty enticing. Especially when your market is not developing.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:01 PM ET
You mean like all those years the Caps were stacked and didnt win the cup?
Until this year where on paper they were not nearly as good as previous teams.

- opeth_pa

When were the Caps stacked? Only in the last few years have they found secondary scoring depth. And their defense has never been anything to get too excited over.

I'm talking about a team that has Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Karlsson, Sergachev & Vasilevsky. That is an absurd core, even if one of those names has to go back to OTT in the trade.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:02 PM ET

2) If you're willing to unload alot of talent on someone, WHY are you doing it for a defenseman and not a center or winger ? Defense isnt a hole like goal scoring is. Yes they signed JVR but I dont expect him to score 30 goals in a Flyers system. He played in an entirely different scheme in Toronto

- twpguy



You mean the Flyers System that has 2 players with over 80 points and another with over 70? All 3 of which were career years for those players . Or a dman with over 60 points?

THat system?

opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:04 PM ET
When were the Caps stacked? Only in the last few years have they found secondary scoring depth. And their defense has never been anything to get too excited over.

I'm talking about a team that has Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Karlsson, Sergachev & Vasilevsky. That is an absurd core, even if one of those names has to go back to OTT in the trade.

- hereticpride


There were multiple seasons where the Caps were picked based on their roster prior to season to be the best by far and up until this season where on paper they werent they won.

The point being this isnt the NBA where you assemble an all star team and just assume you are going to win.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 5 @ 9:06 PM ET
You mean the Flyers System that has 2 players with over 80 points and another with over 70? All 3 of which were career years for those players . Or a dman with over 60 points?

THat system?

- opeth_pa



Lol, not a big difference from the mid level teams to top level, so little that to win the cup it takes luck and timing almost as much as skill
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:03 PM ET
when is hextall going to make an insanely great signing like boogies cousins for 5 mil
that' is how you win championships my boys

- 2Real


If it's hockey we're talking about, I'd take Nick Cousins over Boogie.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 5 @ 10:41 PM ET
Marc Bergevin is buddies with Mario IRL, so anything's possible!
- johndewar

He’ll be my buddy too if he does that solid
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 5 @ 10:43 PM ET
Montreal is a real poop show. I was about to say that I'm shocked Price hasn't asked for a trade then I remembered how much they're paying him.

I really don't know how they haven't fired their GM yet. Nothing he's done has worked out.

- hereticpride


It’s crazy. I don’t understand how some people will look at that body of work and encrust it with some air of infallibility simply because wellllll he’s an nhl gm so he knows what he’s doing how dare you think otherwise.
Myfreedomisback
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.07.2018

Jul 5 @ 10:51 PM ET
If it's hockey we're talking about, I'd take Nick Cousins over Boogie.
- bmeltzer

Ek reporting EK to tampa. Whats the over/under?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:06 PM ET
Have to say, hextall signing JVR makes me feel more confident in him. First time he showed if the situation and timing is right he will pull the trigger.
- funmaster18

TBH I wasn't too keen on signing JvR but given the history and the actual needs of the team given their current salary cap I'm actually not mad at it. JvR was used in an overly coached offensive-only role for the most part over the last couple seasons and with less ice time than Matthews and was still the team leader in goals. Kid really has a knack around the net. I can see JvR really transitioning into a veteran that commits himself to a more rounded 200 foot game and it paying dividends for the Flyers. I just don't want the signing to mean we kiss Simmonds goodbye. Biggest issues the Flyers have to deal with are in net and at the pivot for 3rd and 4th units. The defense is quite frankly in fantastic shape. Sure there's some setbacks with Morin's injuries and Myers getting hurt but honestly the homegrown D prospects in the Philly system including Sanheim who's really just only scratched at the surface have them in a really terrific place. Goaltending is another issue but hopefully we see someone rising from the youngster ranks and just taking over the role. Elliot/Neuvirth are a suitable transition tandem in the interim IMO.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:07 PM ET
If it's hockey we're talking about, I'd take Nick Cousins over Boogie.
- bmeltzer

lol

I can’t deny I would have liked Karlsson. I will also admit that I’ve drank the Koolaid on the Flyers prospects. I’d have moved several for him. But the possibility of trading Ghost made it a firm no for me. I know not everyone feels the same way about that, but he’s a player I don’t want to see moved.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 5 @ 11:17 PM ET
Personally I dont think the emotional stuff will affect him. The cyber bullying thing isnt directed at him. There will be some anger and distraction by it but it will blow over.

As for the stillborn thing. One thing we need to realize is for a Man it isnt as emotionally devastating. The person who really suffers through a stillborn birth or miscarriage is the mother. Women develop a bond with the baby before it is born. A man does not. This situation causes a lot of divorces because the father can not understand such a bond as we do not carry the child. Even upon birth it takes time for the father to feel an emotional connection with the child. Karlsson will be fine, his wife will be the one who suffers most.

Maybe it might mean more to him as my mindset isnt the same as most people. I see people who are pregnant and people related to them get super excited. When I hear about someone's pregnancy I say congrats to be be polite but I do not feel anything when I hear about it or even see a baby. It is just a tiny person to me.

I did not know about the seriousness of his other injuries though. I guess us Flyers fans just want to get in on some of that excitement the Leafs fans got. We want a drink of that heavily alcoholic kool-aid
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:20 PM ET
lol

I can’t deny I would have liked Karlsson. I will also admit that I’ve drank the Koolaid on the Flyers prospects. I’d have moved several for him. But the possibility of trading Ghost made it a firm no for me. I know not everyone feels the same way about that, but he’s a player I don’t want to see moved.

- Flyers1218

My offer would've been Simmonds, Sanheim and if need be a 1st. OTT can easily flip Simmonds for a need and Sanheim gives them a blue chip D prospect. Maybe Karlsson is worth more than that but given the situation Ottawa is in it's plenty fair.

The thought of Hedman and Karlsson together is just plain scary. I'm kind of hoping Dallas or someone else out west swoops in and grabs him at the last minute.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:26 PM ET
My offer would've been Simmonds, Sanheim and if need be a 1st. OTT can easily flip Simmonds for a need and Sanheim gives them a blue chip D prospect. Maybe Karlsson is worth more than that but given the situation Ottawa is in it's plenty fair.

The thought of Hedman and Karlsson together is just plain scary. I'm kind of hoping Dallas or someone else out west swoops in and grabs him at the last minute.

- hereticpride

Yeah I hope he lands in Dallas as well. Hedman is so beastly. I want nothing to do with Karlsson on the Flyers though. In a couple years the blueline will be built out to perfection (hopefully).
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 5 @ 11:33 PM ET
Personally I dont think the emotional stuff will affect him. The cyber bullying thing isnt directed at him. There will be some anger and distraction by it but it will blow over.

As for the stillborn thing. One thing we need to realize is for a Man it isnt as emotionally devastating. The person who really suffers through a stillborn birth or miscarriage is the mother. Women develop a bond with the baby before it is born. A man does not. This situation causes a lot of divorces because the father can not understand such a bond as we do not carry the child. Even upon birth it takes time for the father to feel an emotional connection with the child. Karlsson will be fine, his wife will be the one who suffers most.

Maybe it might mean more to him as my mindset isnt the same as most people. I see people who are pregnant and people related to them get super excited. When I hear about someone's pregnancy I say congrats to be be polite but I do not feel anything when I hear about it or even see a baby. It is just a tiny person to me.

I did not know about the seriousness of his other injuries though. I guess us Flyers fans just want to get in on some of that excitement the Leafs fans got. We want a drink of that heavily alcoholic kool-aid

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:42 PM ET
Personally I dont think the emotional stuff will affect him. The cyber bullying thing isnt directed at him. There will be some anger and distraction by it but it will blow over.

As for the stillborn thing. One thing we need to realize is for a Man it isnt as emotionally devastating. The person who really suffers through a stillborn birth or miscarriage is the mother. Women develop a bond with the baby before it is born. A man does not. This situation causes a lot of divorces because the father can not understand such a bond as we do not carry the child. Even upon birth it takes time for the father to feel an emotional connection with the child. Karlsson will be fine, his wife will be the one who suffers most.

Maybe it might mean more to him as my mindset isnt the same as most people. I see people who are pregnant and people related to them get super excited. When I hear about someone's pregnancy I say congrats to be be polite but I do not feel anything when I hear about it or even see a baby. It is just a tiny person to me.

I did not know about the seriousness of his other injuries though. I guess us Flyers fans just want to get in on some of that excitement the Leafs fans got. We want a drink of that heavily alcoholic kool-aid

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

This post is really something else.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 5 @ 11:45 PM ET
This post is really something else.
- Giroux_Is_God

i mean, i don't really want to ever have kids but that guy is on a whole different level
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:49 PM ET
This post is really something else.
- Giroux_Is_God

Yeah there's a been a few of those here today. I pine for the days of going bananas over VandeVelde or Cote/Shelley.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:49 PM ET
Folin is the guy you sign if you don't think the Flyers are good enough yet to win a playoff series. He might be an upgrade compared to Brandon Manning, but definitely not compared to Michael Del Zotto, or Calvin de Haan or even Toby Endstrom. He is a 6/7 guy on a team that needs a 1B/2A guy. It looks like the Flyers will commit to Ghost/Provy as their top pairing now, which means they are a fringe playoff team, that will pad stats against bad teams, or tired teams or teams that take the night off, but won't compete. Sad.
- hockeyal


Dude you make team negative look like Julie Andrews dancing through the Wells Fargo center parking lot with flyers pom poms.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:58 PM ET
Dude you make team negative look like Julie Andrews dancing through the Wells Fargo center parking lot with flyers pom poms.
- bird_dog_pa

Yeah let's be real here. Frolin is a plug. That's it. He's not a make-or-break-playoffs guy.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 6 @ 12:00 AM ET
it's ruskie, you (frank)ing moron
- HOWSMYDICTATE

Back for more. It’s whatever I say it is son
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 6 @ 3:24 AM ET
If it's hockey we're talking about, I'd take Nick Cousins over Boogie.
- bmeltzer

Maybe we can learn how to make the equivalent deals in the nhl
Why do people want to go to golden state
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