GTFO, man. G!T!F!O!
- GreatGigInTheSky

Karlsson to St. Louis.

Pietrangelo to Toronto.

Picks, prospects, roster players to Ottawa.
- Unholy_Goalie

A three way! ..kinky ..I like it ..ya something like the avalanche got (a boatload)..for dutch. .could possibly work?

Gardiner wasn't solely at fault for game 7.

Andersen gave up some bad goals. The whole team failed to maintain pressure and defend the lead. The whole team has a piece of the blame.

Reality is, Gardiner is a 50+ point defender who was playing #1 minutes. Gardiner is not a #1 defender. When you put a #3 or #4 defender in the #1 role, bad things happen. It's like blaming Kadri for not scoring as much as Matthews if Kadri was playing in Matthews' spot. It's not because he's a bad player, it's just not his role.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yep. .if they don't have a proper rh dman to cover the high risk high reward Gardiner ..then he's in trouble as we seen. .but I agree that they should trade him..and concentrate on a righty for Reilly

D for Carolina:
J. Faulk
H. Fleury
D. Hamilton
B. Pesce
J. Slavin
C De Haan
- BreathLeafs2015

That's not counting what they have in the pipeline. .that's ready to take the next step! ...including McKeown...and Jake bean ..plus they have tvr

So.

Tavares was announced on Canada Day.

Is Matthews’ extension announced on the 4th of July?
- As_I_See_It

.....maybe ..good night Mr Hunter. .

.....maybe ..good night Mr Hunter. .
- MR.Hunter

Good night ya franking drunken sod

Yeah, it gave me the feels.

I might've complained about him when he was placed in a role he wasn't suited for or for being poopty defensively, but there's certainly nothing to complain about his character as a person or his joy at being a Leaf.

I think one of the most poignant things I've seen in hockey is that clip where he's at the glass and his wife is holding his child there with a #42 DADDY jersey on and he's smiling at them. Guy was happy to be on the team and certainly tried his best.

I wish him and JVR success and happiness where ever they go.
- Thecakeisalie

St . Louis and Philly? ..I thigk I'b..derunk

Thank (frank)!

Best news the Leafs coulda gotten.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Better than dumping Martin with no salary retained?

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
X - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - X- Kapanen
13th: Gauthier (not waivers exempt?)

Rielly - X
Dermott - Hainsey
Borgman - Zaitsev
7th: Holl / Carrick (not waivers exempt) or Ozhiganov

Andersen
McElhinney
Sparks/Pickard/X

Leafs could just go with 3 goalies to start the season - since most of their AHL'ers are waivers exempt (Ozhiganov, Liljegren, Rosen, Lindholm, Moore, Grundstrom, Marchment etc.). That creates alot of options for the Leafs.
Not sure if the waivers information I have is correct though.

3rd line LW options:
4th line C options: Lindhold maybe, but he's waiver exempt. Might not make the cut in preseason and first starting on Marlies.
1st pairing D-man options:
potential backup goalie options: Anderson (he'd be #2 and then no need to keep McSavey), Dansk, Darling.

Leivo, Gardiner, Pickard, Sparks, Gauthier, Holl, Marincin, Carrick should be made available for trades since not waivers exempt.

My guess is that Borgman / Rosen / Ozhiganov are kept just because they don't need to go through waivers, which is a key plus for them. I could see the Leafs following this pattern going forward and adding every year 3-4 players to fill out the bottom fw and d lines with waiver exempt Europeans.

Question is which team would be interested in Gardiner + Carrick + Sparks + 1st rounder for a topline defenseman. I don't think there are a lot of options around..

I wonder whether LV could be a trading partner (smaller trade including a guy like Leivo or Gauthier).


Most interesting option I could see would be a trade with Carolina, and take some salary of their hands in order to get the D-upgrade required:

Carolina:
Darling + Pesce / Slavin

Toronto:
Sparks/McSavey/Pickard + Leivo + Carrick + 2nd rounder

It's basically helping Carolina get rid of the Darling contract, and would give Toronto a better backup option.
It would give Carolina a backup goalie, and a young bottom line D-man and a 3rd/4th line wing in Leivo.
Would save Carolina about 8million in caphit and salary - that's important for that team.
I don't think Carolina would want Gardiner.
But if they would be interested (if they can trade Faulk to another team, that would be a possibility), the optimal trade for leafs would be:

Darling + Pesce/Slavin + Skinner

for

Gardiner + Leivo + Carrick + 2nd + McSavey/Pickard/Sparks

Toronto takes on salary (approx 8mln) but can still fit that under the cap easily.
Next season would be a question mark, but at least they would save 1 - 2million vs the new Gardiner contract (Slavin/Pesce comparison).

Worst case scenario, Leafs need to let Skinner go after next season if they can't afford him.
Since Leafs were going to probably lose Gardiner anyways, better to have an upgrade on D and fill in that LW spot with a great player for 1 year, vs having Gardiner there.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Skinner - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Kapanen
13th: Gauthier

Rielly - Pesce/Slavin
Dermott - Hainsey
Borgman - Zaitsev
7th: Holl / Ozhiganov

Andersen
Darling
Sparks/Pickard/McSavey

Leafs have 16.2 mil in space+5 million LTIR

trade for Faulk, offer Nash a one year 6.5 million dollar contract....he won't want to retire then.

Why do I keep thinking that UG is Glen Healey

Better than dumping Martin with no salary retained?
- BlueBallz

Signed Tavares .................. Check
Dumped Martin.....................Check
Trade coming with Habs:
rights to Nathan Horton plus a 2nd for Kenny Augustino + 7th

Faulk is very much in play, but I think the asking price has been Nylander, because of the stupid Larsson/Hall trade, which is (frank)ing up the market until somebody sets a new precedent.

Faulk for Brown or Kapanen and some picks is probably where it needs to be, but might have to cough up a D prospect too like Rosen.
- gravyface

The lars/hall deal was years ago and a bad trade made by a desperate team. I dont believe it sets the market.

Definitely, suckers passing Go thinking they can keep their $200. Bltch please, you done owe me for landing on Baltic Ave.
- PatC80

Bahaha

They won't get anyone of that quality for him so the price will lower.
- Archaic

Yeah... or they can just keep him and roll out a D of

Slavin-Hamilton
De Haan-Pesce
Fleury-Faulk

It's an expensive D corps, but they have the space and no reason to rush and make a deal that doesn't give them the return they want.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
X - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - X- Kapanen
13th: Gauthier (not waivers exempt?)

Rielly - X
Dermott - Hainsey
Borgman - Zaitsev
7th: Holl / Carrick (not waivers exempt) or Ozhiganov

Andersen
McElhinney
Sparks/Pickard/X

Leafs could just go with 3 goalies to start the season - since most of their AHL'ers are waivers exempt (Ozhiganov, Liljegren, Rosen, Lindholm, Moore, Grundstrom, Marchment etc.). That creates alot of options for the Leafs.
Not sure if the waivers information I have is correct though.

3rd line LW options:
4th line C options: Lindhold maybe, but he's waiver exempt. Might not make the cut in preseason and first starting on Marlies.
1st pairing D-man options:
potential backup goalie options: Anderson (he'd be #2 and then no need to keep McSavey), Dansk, Darling.

Leivo, Gardiner, Pickard, Sparks, Gauthier, Holl, Marincin, Carrick should be made available for trades since not waivers exempt.

My guess is that Borgman / Rosen / Ozhiganov are kept just because they don't need to go through waivers, which is a key plus for them. I could see the Leafs following this pattern going forward and adding every year 3-4 players to fill out the bottom fw and d lines with waiver exempt Europeans.

Question is which team would be interested in Gardiner + Carrick + Sparks + 1st rounder for a topline defenseman. I don't think there are a lot of options around..

I wonder whether LV could be a trading partner (smaller trade including a guy like Leivo or Gauthier).


Most interesting option I could see would be a trade with Carolina, and take some salary of their hands in order to get the D-upgrade required:

Carolina:
Darling + Pesce / Slavin

Toronto:
Sparks/McSavey/Pickard + Leivo + Carrick + 2nd rounder

It's basically helping Carolina get rid of the Darling contract, and would give Toronto a better backup option.
It would give Carolina a backup goalie, and a young bottom line D-man and a 3rd/4th line wing in Leivo.
Would save Carolina about 8million in caphit and salary - that's important for that team.
I don't think Carolina would want Gardiner.
But if they would be interested (if they can trade Faulk to another team, that would be a possibility), the optimal trade for leafs would be:

Darling + Pesce/Slavin + Skinner

for

Gardiner + Leivo + Carrick + 2nd + McSavey/Pickard/Sparks

Toronto takes on salary (approx 8mln) but can still fit that under the cap easily.
Next season would be a question mark, but at least they would save 1 - 2million vs the new Gardiner contract (Slavin/Pesce comparison).

Worst case scenario, Leafs need to let Skinner go after next season if they can't afford him.
Since Leafs were going to probably lose Gardiner anyways, better to have an upgrade on D and fill in that LW spot with a great player for 1 year, vs having Gardiner there.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Skinner - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Kapanen
13th: Gauthier

Rielly - Pesce/Slavin
Dermott - Hainsey
Borgman - Zaitsev
7th: Holl / Ozhiganov

Andersen
Darling
Sparks/Pickard/McSavey
- MaximusAurelius

No thank you.

We can't take on that many contracts anyway. We'll just trade Faulk. Not Pesce or Slavin.

Leafs have 16.2 mil in space+5 million LTIR

trade for Faulk, offer Nash a one year 6.5 million dollar contract....he won't want to retire then.
- Santo_44

The Leafs dont want to use the LTIR this year if possible as it has cap implications for next year. I doubt they use any of it. If possible they will want to keep some cap to not have bonus overages seep into next year.

The lars/hall deal was years ago and a bad trade made by a desperate team. I dont believe it sets the market.
- Fakepartofme

It comes up a lot in media circles, but as to what the GMs think: who knows.

Karlsson will be an interesting trade (and a trade that really shouldn't happen if OTT wasn't a pack of clowns).

Gardiner is Jekyll and Hyde
When he’s on his game he’s lights out one of the best
When he’s not on his game you’d swear he’s out to lunch.
- BreathLeafs2015

Let's not get too carried away here. I do believe his lights are out some times...but I think we're using a different meaning.

Yeah... or they can just keep him and roll out a D of

Slavin-Hamilton
De Haan-Pesce
Fleury-Faulk

It's an expensive D corps, but they have the space and no reason to rush and make a deal that doesn't give them the return they want.
- BINGO!

That's a pretty sexy right side. Sexiest in the league maybe? Do you really think that Hamilton's above Faulk? His numbers look really good, even the fancy pants stats, but is he a Mike Green in his prime kind of PP QB? I don't watch much CAR games.

Yeah... or they can just keep him and roll out a D of

Slavin-Hamilton
De Haan-Pesce
Fleury-Faulk

It's an expensive D corps, but they have the space and no reason to rush and make a deal that doesn't give them the return they want.
- BINGO!

Absolutely, but I doubt it. You guys also have TVR, and others waiting. I do think they want to trade him though. All I am saying is there is no way in holy hell Faulk is fetching a quality player like Nylander. He's not that level of a player. JMHO.

I wouldnt mind trading for a player ready to take the next step from Carolina.

Leafs have 16.2 mil in space+5 million LTIR

trade for Faulk, offer Nash a one year 6.5 million dollar contract....he won't want to retire then.
- Santo_44

I think they have less space available - performance bonuses might add to 3-5million and they definitely do not want to have those bonuses on 2019-2020 caphit.

So expect the Leafs to only work with additional 11million or so in additions/trades/signings.

There was an issue as well with LTIR/performance bonusses, but not too sure how that exactly worked; I expect that Leafs might want to keep quite a bit of capspace, and not even use the LTIR.
Although I think the LTIR issue was that you cannot have more capspace committed (capspace + LTIR) for coming season that total max caphit - with Hainsey and Gardiner being UFAs, that doesn't seem to be an issue.

16million - 5million (performance bonuses).
11million.

Sign Nylander 6.75 million - 4.25million left.
That's for 19 players.

So still need to add 2-3 players to that (I expect Leafs to not go with a 23 man roster, but 21-22 instead).

3 players at 1million: Johnsson and a 7th D and a 13th FW.

that would leave a bit over 1million left, without using LTIR. I understand that last year Lou indicated that LTIR could be used during season as well, but not sure where that discussion ended.
If so (or if Leafs trade that Horton contract), Leafs could still add player(s) worth 6million of caphit, keeping enough room for the expected bonuses.

Absolutely, but I doubt it. You guys also have TVR, and others waiting. I do think they want to trade him though. All I am saying is there is no way in holy hell Faulk is fetching a quality player like Nylander. He's not that level of a player. JMHO.

I wouldnt mind trading for a player ready to take the next step from Carolina.
- Archaic

Agree Faulk and nylander aren’t on the same level. There is a reason they’re floating Faulk

No thank you.

We can't take on that many contracts anyway. We'll just trade Faulk. Not Pesce or Slavin.
- BINGO!

Let's make a bet that Toronto takes one of Slavin / Pesce.

That's a pretty sexy right side. Sexiest in the league maybe? Do you really think that Hamilton's above Faulk? His numbers look really good, even the fancy pants stats, but is he a Mike Green in his prime kind of PP QB? I don't watch much CAR games.
- gravyface

Hamilton is way better in his own end.

Faulk has a cannon of a shot but has been extremely poor positionally for a couple years now.