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cant say I remember how solid LA was back in 2009, I know Drew had 59 points, monster year. For the next 3 years he went 40, 36 and 37 points. Provy has started 30 and 41. When I think of the D side, I am sure Drew was better but it cant be by much, Provy is very good in his own end. I do agree Drew was better first 2 years but I still think inflation plays, the Cap is way up and Provy is a #1. I would have no issue going 7 mil 8 years, I think that would be fair. If I am provy, I would do a 2 year contract with the idea of getting a big time 8 year deal after.
- wcorvette

Relative speaking Doughty at a significantly higher level as a 2nd year player. I think Provorov is certainly the #1 defenseman on his team but I don't put him at that level overall just yet. He is in that 2nd tier group in my opinion.

I also would have no issue going 7M for 8 years. That would wind up a bargain for the Flyers.

Doughty played on the top PP unit, which inflated his points, value, and ultimately the AAV
- YuenglingJagr

It was far more than just PP and point production with Doughty. He could completely control a game as a young player.

It was far more than just PP and point production with Doughty. He could completely control a game as a young player.
- MJL

The powerplay points is such a garbage statement, be good enough to play on the top powerplay and you will get paid like it. People will say but we have Ghost, alright once again be good enough to play on your team's top unit.

The powerplay points is such a garbage statement, be good enough to play on the top powerplay and you will get paid like it. People will say but we have Ghost, alright once again be good enough to play on your team's top unit.
- ClaudeFather

NBC has Philly as one of the five landing spots for Karlsson. Interesting.

The powerplay points is such a garbage statement, be good enough to play on the top powerplay and you will get paid like it. People will say but we have Ghost, alright once again be good enough to play on your team's top unit.
- ClaudeFather

He is good enough to do it.

But the Flyers have a player with some elite offensive skills from the back end.

The first conversation I ever had with ftown was late regular season, when I mentioned how deep UFA was with LWers this summer. Names like Rick Nash, Evander Kane, James Neal and James van Riemsdyk. Now some mentioned that now wasn't the best time for a big splash or to sign a big name free agent. No problem with that argument even today but man have I never been trolled so hard over a reasonable opinion.

He is good enough to do it.

But the Flyers have a player with some elite offensive skills from the back end.
- J35Bacher

Lmaoo read just what you wrote. He is good enough but the Flyers have elite offensive skills from the backend???? So, he is not good enough to play on our top PP unit. Think before you type.

Overall no. He'll be overpaid for a few years but likely will be drastically underpaid for most of the contract.
- MJL

Let's see what he can do with a legitimate playmaker.

That wouldn't get it done in my opinion. Swap Konecny for Rubtsov and maybe that would start a conversation.
- MJL

Not sure about that (re: Konecny / Rubstov). There's a reason that franchise is a mess... Never underestimate the potential stupidity of another franchise, especially when they have a track record for it.

NBC has Philly as one of the five landing spots for Karlsson. Interesting.
- hereticpride

But that's only because the Flyers intentionally lost for 4 consecutive seasons. It's all part of the process.

Lmaoo read just what you wrote. He is good enough but the Flyers have elite offensive skills from the backend???? So, he is not good enough to play on our top PP unit. Think before you type.
- ClaudeFather

Not sure what your trying to prove or state.

Yes. Provorov can quarterback the top PP if the Flyers wanted him too. But the other guy has a different skill set that they prefer to use there in Gostisbehere.

Provorov had 17 goals without top PP time. Gostisbehere had 13 while on the top PP. I think he would would be perfectly capable to run a PP.

Ek's latest. "Flyers hopeful of re-signing Wayne Simmonds"

Lmaoo read just what you wrote. He is good enough but the Flyers have elite offensive skills from the backend???? So, he is not good enough to play on our top PP unit. Think before you type.
- ClaudeFather

Gostisbehere is the more dynamic, offensively-oriented defenseman who excels on the PP. Provorov would be good on the PP, but Ghost has the skillset that lends itself to the PP more than Provorov's in the minds of the Flyers.

This is like saying that Mark Howe was a bad defenseman because he wasn't as good as Ray Bourque.

Not sure what your trying to prove or state.

Yes. Provorov can quarterback the top PP if the Flyers wanted him too. But the other guy has a different skill set that they prefer to use there in Gostisbehere.

Provorov had 17 goals without top PP time. Gostisbehere had 13 while on the top PP. I think he would would be perfectly capable to run a PP.
- J35Bacher

It's much more than about a different skillset.

It's much more than about a different skillset.
- MJL

I get that. It's more his statement that Provorov, if he was so good, should be able to QB the top PP unit.

I think he can. But Gostisbehere brings a different element so that's why he is there. Not because Provorov can't do it

The first conversation I ever had with ftown was late regular season, when I mentioned how deep UFA was with LWers this summer. Names like Rick Nash, Evander Kane, James Neal and James van Riemsdyk. Now some mentioned that now wasn't the best time for a big splash or to sign a big name free agent. No problem with that argument even today but man have I never been trolled so hard over a reasonable opinion.
- SuperSchennBros

with me? I only ever messed with you about Brayden schenn dude. And then you started with the "who are you" bit. Since then I don't think I've ever argued with you.

I get that. It's more his statement that Provorov, if he was so good, should be able to QB the top PP unit.

I think he can. But Gostisbehere brings a different element so that's why he is there. Not because Provorov can't do it
- J35Bacher

Rod Brind'Amour wasn't a good PP player. If he was, he would have been on the top unit instead of Eric Lindros.

- YuenglingJagr

Gostisbehere is the more dynamic, offensively-oriented defenseman who excels on the PP. Provorov would be good on the PP, but Ghost has the skillset that lends itself to the PP more than Provorov's in the minds of the Flyers.

This is like saying that Mark Howe was a bad defenseman because he wasn't as good as Ray Bourque.
- jmatchett383

I think his point is that Doughty was so good even on the PP that another player was not going to keep him off the top PP unit. He hasn't said in any way that Provorov is a bad defenseman.

The powerplay points is such a garbage statement, be good enough to play on the top powerplay and you will get paid like it. People will say but we have Ghost, alright once again be good enough to play on your team's top unit.
- ClaudeFather

Doughty was playing with Jack Johnson on the top PP unit for the Kings, and JJ handily outscored him in 10-11 and 11-12. It's not Provorov's fault the Flyers use 4 forwards and Ghost is one of the best PP players in the league.

I get that. It's more his statement that Provorov, if he was so good, should be able to QB the top PP unit.

I think he can. But Gostisbehere brings a different element so that's why he is there. Not because Provorov can't do it
- J35Bacher

Gostisbehere is there because he is a lot better than Provorov is. Also limited that the Flyers use 4 forwards on the top unit. Provorov is just okay on the PP although I think he might improve if he saw regular time on the top unit.

I think his point is that Doughty was so good even on the PP that another player was not going to keep him off the top PP unit. He hasn't said in any way that Provorov is a bad defenseman.
- MJL

For power play purposes, I'd rather have ghost than doughty too though.

I think his point is that Doughty was so good even on the PP that another player was not going to keep him off the top PP unit. He hasn't said in any way that Provorov is a bad defenseman.
- MJL

But you also have to look at the roster. Doughty's career year in points they had Doughty, Jack Johnson, Randy Jones, Sean O'Donnell, Rob Scuderi, Matt Greene, Daves Drewski.

Who was going to take PP time away?

For those interested, Chris Therien and I interviewed James van Riemsdyk today on the "Real Deal Hockey with Bundy and Bill" podcast on the Flyers Alumni's TalkShoe channel.

http://recordings.talksho.../TC-142647/TS-1254564.mp3