A Karlsson trade for NHL ready prospects actually fits well into development profile for Ottawa. It depends on what they get back but Dorion is expecting to be a better team as early as next year.
- spatso

oh vey

without Karlsson..a better team next year.

That's a fair point, Pierre M was talking about this on the team 1200 today, how Ottawa is a much better team already than their record showed last year. He was also saying that Ottawa's prospect pool is one of the best in the league right now. They have so many players projecting to be top 6 talent and the youth movement in the room is something so positive he hasn't seen in years.

I know it's dark times right now, but Ottawa's future is looking bright if we can keep on track.
- Maverick1818

Oi

I've been a Loyal fan of this team since year #1. I've gone to hundreds of games, purchased multiple jerseys, met quite a few NHL players and I'm always suggesting players I think will make the team better, or trades I think would be good for this team.

I appreciate loyalty and I really appreciate players like Neil, Phillips, and guys like that who chose to spend their entire career here because they genuinely wanted to make this team better. So if a player forces a trade or does something that actively hurts the team... Damn right I will turn on them.

Before Spezza, Yashin was one of my favorite players growing up. When he pulled the crap he did, he went from being a hockey idol that I looked up to and tried to play like, to basically being public enemy number one to me.

How would you feel about Doughty if he refused to resign and basically forced a trade, fully knowing he was screwing over the team and fan base? I doubt you'd be very happy with him either.

Again, if he proves me wrong a resigns, I'll be the first one cheering his name. But he's gotta prove it.
- Maverick1818

I am in the same boat as you when it comes to how hardcore of a fan of this team I am.

And I have to say, you are totally and completely wrong on this one.

Karlsson WANTS to stay. His wife is from here, his buddy Alfie still lives here and his heart is here. The problem is that he can't play under this owner.

It doesn't matter how much you love your city. If your boss is a crazy POS alcoholic, you're not going to continue working for him. There's only one NHL team in this city and if he can't play for it, he can't stay in Ottawa. Simple as that.

Notice how Duchesne hasn't even resigned yet? Or any of our restricted free agents. None of them want to play for Melnyk.

Someone else brought up the point that Melnyk is trying to clear the deck before selling. It's the only thing that makes sense. I just can't see him trying to come back as owner next year. The building is going to be empty.

You are honestly the FIRST fan of this team that I've heard blaming Karlsson for all of this.

I am in the same boat as you when it comes to how hardcore of a fan of this team I am.

And I have to say, you are totally and completely wrong on this one.

Karlsson WANTS to stay. His wife is from here, his buddy Alfie still lives here and his heart is here. The problem is that he can't play under this owner.

It doesn't matter how much you love your city. If your boss is a crazy POS alcoholic, you're not going to continue working for him. There's only one NHL team in this city and if he can't play for it, he can't stay in Ottawa. Simple as that.

Notice how Duchesne hasn't even resigned yet? Or any of our restricted free agents. None of them want to play for Melnyk.

Someone else brought up the point that Melnyk is trying to clear the deck before selling. It's the only thing that makes sense. I just can't see him trying to come back as owner next year. The building is going to be empty.

You are honestly the FIRST fan of this team that I've heard blaming Karlsson for all of this.
- Charliebox

Interesting. on team 1200 TSN broadcasters are saying saying same thing. Somebody has to do intervention on Melnyk. It has now reached the level of bizarre.

I am in the same boat as you when it comes to how hardcore of a fan of this team I am.

And I have to say, you are totally and completely wrong on this one.

Karlsson WANTS to stay. His wife is from here, his buddy Alfie still lives here and his heart is here. The problem is that he can't play under this owner.

It doesn't matter how much you love your city. If your boss is a crazy POS alcoholic, you're not going to continue working for him. There's only one NHL team in this city and if he can't play for it, he can't stay in Ottawa. Simple as that.

Notice how Duchesne hasn't even resigned yet? Or any of our restricted free agents. None of them want to play for Melnyk.

Someone else brought up the point that Melnyk is trying to clear the deck before selling. It's the only thing that makes sense. I just can't see him trying to come back as owner next year. The building is going to be empty.

You are honestly the FIRST fan of this team that I've heard blaming Karlsson for all of this.
- Charliebox

I'm not blaming it all on Karlsson, but he certainly has some blame here. If he wanted to stay here so bad, he would have resigned July 1st or at least negotiated. With reports saying that other teams have been given permission to negotiate with him.

That means the Sens made an offer and Karlsson refused. That is on no one else other than Karlsson.

Yes EM has his issues, especially with rumors of the team being sold. But if Karlsson wanted whats best for the team, he would sign. A team with Karlsson is much more attractive to a potential buyer then one without.

I'm not blaming it all on Karlsson, but he certainly has some blame here. If he wanted to stay here so bad, he would have resigned July 1st or at least negotiated. With reports saying that other teams have been given permission to negotiate with him.

That means the Sens made an offer and Karlsson refused. That is on no one else other than Karlsson.

Yes EM has his issues, especially with rumors of the team being sold. But if Karlsson wanted whats best for the team, he would sign. A team with Karlsson is much more attractive to a potential buyer then one without.
- Maverick1818

I'm saying I KNOW he doesn't want to stay here.

He loves Ottawa and wants to be a Senator, but not under the current conditions of employment.

I'm sure you've had a job before where you love the location and your coworkers, but your boss was crazy. You have to do what's best.

Honestly, who would want to work for that madman? Seriously? I can't even think of a comparable in modern-day sports. There have been bad owners and cheap owners out there in the past, but nothing like this. This guy is a drunken maniac.

To OTT: Jacob Trouba, Dmitri Kulikov, Kristian Vesalainen, Bryan Little, 2019 1st round pick, 2019 3rd round pick, 2020 2nd round pick

To WPG: Bobby Ryan, Erik Karlsson
- TheUltimateJet

Best trade proposal so far. Much better than any fan from any other team has proposed.

Best trade proposal so far. Much better than any fan from any other team has proposed.
- TheUltimateJet

He is giving too much.

Does anyone actually believe that Dorion isn’t going to screw this up? At the end of the day, this is a world class player that a team will be getting, IN HIS PRIME, for nine years (admittedly, only about half the contract is in his prime, but that’s the NHL now). Anything less than a home run is a failure.

Miro Heiskanen

Miro Heiskanen
- spatso

exactly

that's the only silver lining.

At this point we need our pick back lol

I bet Dallas needs the extension with Karlsson and wouldn't be surprised if their the ones that made it clear that is a breaking point.

Erik Karlsson from 28-35 years old is still A LOT of years in his prime.

The most logical trade is with Vegas. It means no $ retained from Bobby Ryan.

To Vegas

F Bobby Ryan
D Erik Karlsson (8 years 11.25m)

To Ottawa

F Nick Suzuki
D Shea Theodore
D Erik Brannstrom
2019 1st (top 5 protected - becomes 2020 1st + 2020 2nd)

Miro Heiskanen
- spatso

I hope not. Honka+ please

I hope not. Honka+ please
- NoobasaurusRex

This will be where the impasse is.

Don't see Honka getting you Karlsson though.

The most logical trade is with Vegas. It means no $ retained from Bobby Ryan.

To Vegas

F Bobby Ryan
D Erik Karlsson (8 years 11.25m)

To Ottawa

F Nick Suzuki
D Shea Theodore
D Erik Brannstrom
2019 1st (top 5 protected - becomes 2020 1st + 2020 2nd)
- AlfieisKing

This actually isn't bad, I'd add smith from Ottawa and William Karlsson from Vegas to it though.

Ottawa needs a top line star coming back 100%

This will be where the impasse is.

Don't see Honka getting you Karlsson though.
- david22

If Nill plays hardball and Vegas doesn't up the offer it could be done with honka+
Miro has the potential to be karlsson. I get why it would be fair/asking price but I'm in love with the kid

This actually isn't bad, I'd add smith from Ottawa and William Karlsson from Vegas to it though.

Ottawa needs a top line star coming back 100%
- Maverick1818

do you actually think you are going to get all that, as well as add in William Karlsson while Vegas takes on full cap dumps in Ryan and Smiths terrible contracts

Wow

do you actually think you are going to get all that, as well as add in William Karlsson while Vegas takes on full cap dumps in Ryan and Smiths terrible contracts

Wow
- DDM-Coga

Dyou think Melnyk is going to pay to re-sew all those jerseys? Its the only deal that makes sense!

do you actually think you are going to get all that, as well as add in William Karlsson while Vegas takes on full cap dumps in Ryan and Smiths terrible contracts

Wow
- DDM-Coga

There has to, we aren't going to get a generational talent back because there simply aren't any so we would need a star player plus more in return, otherwise it's not worth trading.

This is the best suggestion I've seen so far.

But let me guess you think PD would be dumb enough to trade straight up for Barrie and a first lol

There has to, we aren't going to get a generational talent back because there simply aren't any so we would need a star player plus more in return, otherwise it's not worth trading.

This is the best suggestion I've seen so far.

But let me guess you think PD would be dumb enough to trade straight up for Barrie and a first lol
- Maverick1818

When you add bad contracts into a trade, you give up on value coming back...the other teams dont add to it.

Sorry but you aren't going to get some generational talent back. You are selling off Karlsson right now. This isnt a hockey trade, this is a financial trade. This isnt about making your team better, you do realize that right?

He might be dumb enough to do that trade, I dont think its fair what the rest of the league does but thats as much as the Avs should go...if not. Thats cool we own the pick and will watch the Sens try to compete.

Dyou think Melnyk is going to pay to re-sew all those jerseys? Its the only deal that makes sense!
- david22

Mark Stone for Michael Stone confirmed

Mark Stone for Michael Stone confirmed
- DDM-Coga

Dyou think Melnyk is going to pay to re-sew all those jerseys? Its the only deal that makes sense!
- david22

That fact that Coga actually thinks Zack Smith is a cap dumb shows how much he watches him play

Oilers would love adding Smith + Karlsson but don't think that deal will happen.

For me it has to be heiskanen from Dal

It was not a low ball offer,that was normal procedure to start negotiations. NO ONE KNOWS if they said take this or leave, or if he said i do not want to be here or negotiations are still ongoing. One thing for certain the team gave in to fanatics protest and now we are here.Same fanatics are still not happy because we are here...Its a tough crowd to please fanatics

That fact that Coga actually thinks Zack Smith is a cap dumb shows how much he watches him play

Oilers would love adding Smith + Karlsson but don't think that deal will happen.

For me it has to be heiskanen from Dal
- AlfieisKing

A 30 year old forward who put up 19 points last year...when healthy just barely puts up 30 points making 3.25m a season who has terrible possession metrics but is labeled as a "character guy".

Please explain to me how a 3.5m aging bad production player isnt a cap dump when you can get that sort of production and more out of 20 and 21 year old ELC players.

You are so delusional when it comes to play analysis, stats exist for a reason and 3.5m border line 3rd line player is a cap dump. And before you say hes something more. He spent 45% of his time on the 3rd line and 38% of his time on the 4th line. And thats on a sens team that has no depth.

Its funny how usage stats track all that now and once again prove you wrong bc your Sens homer goggles refuse to see what the rest of the NHL sees