The Buffalo trade with St Louis was intriguing. They filled in a lot of holes and should be seriously competitive next year. They could be a contender for Karlsson and have a prime prospect in Mittlestadt that would cause Dorion to pay attention.

Dorion loves the kids out of the US national program.
- spatso

Honestly, I hate to see him go, but at this point I blame Karlsson. The team clearly is bending over backwards for him and he is simply being selfish about it.

We traded our best goal scorer for nothing just to get him out of town for Karlsson, then gave Karlsson an offer July 1st and it's not even reported if Karlsson even gave a counter offer. At this point trade him for as much as possible and next time we play against his ungrateful ass, send out a goon to take him out.

I never side with EM or PD but this is on Karlsson. There is something to be said about Leadership and Loyalty and Karlsson is showing he has neither.
- Maverick1818

Dorion loves the kids out of the US national program.

- senstroll

C'mon now guy, not cool.

They were talking about it on Sportsnet yesterday, saying that the Sens made a very generous offer and apparently Karlsson didn't even give a counter offer and now it's reported that PD is letting Karlsson talk to other teams to try to get more value for him. Meaning the team knows he wont resign.

- Maverick1818

I'm somehow doubtful of that. But if true, it's also possible he's tired of the circus and just wants to win. Just don't pull a Tavares on us.

The EK65 decision is the linch-pin for the rest of this team's near-future success. If he goes for an underwhelming return, it's lights out.

Honestly, I hate to see him go, but at this point I blame Karlsson. The team clearly is bending over backwards for him and he is simply being selfish about it.

We traded our best goal scorer for nothing just to get him out of town for Karlsson, then gave Karlsson an offer July 1st and it's not even reported if Karlsson even gave a counter offer. At this point trade him for as much as possible and next time we play against his ungrateful ass, send out a goon to take him out.

I never side with EM or PD but this is on Karlsson. There is something to be said about Leadership and Loyalty and Karlsson is showing he has neither.
- Maverick1818

- Iggysbff

Agreed.

This reads like a preemptive "I don't care about the return because I didn't want him here anymore anyway. Bad example for the kids."

I expect this sour grapes theme will be what some (not many) will cling to once the deal is done.

C'mon now guy, not cool.
- sportsdataguy

yeah sorry my bad.. thats Randy Lee's territory

Im not being biased or homerish you simpleton. ITs called proper asset management and not screw yourself cap wise.

Look at things holistically for once. The sens are in a bad spot and they arent getting their own 1st round pick and one of the better D prospects in the NHL.

If you throw away all your high end prospects, you lose your chance to contend as if you are getting meaningful impact from guys on ELCs. If your roster is full of 2nd and 3rd contract guys...you will lack depth.

Keep up and read how I have explained that with Otts 1st and Barrie is the only thing that makes sense. If not Avs say see ya later. But no you are too dumb to follow along and are once again trying your hardest to paint a narrative that doesnt exist.
- DDM-Coga

I cannot see Karlsson going to a team that is not an immediate contender. Colorado does not fit profile.

I cannot see Karlsson going to a team that is not an immediate contender. Colorado does not fit profile.
- spatso

You can say that Karlsson would make them a bigger contender in the west. A team with MacKinnon, Rantanen, Jost, Kerfoot....Karlsson, Girard, Johnson, Zadorov on the back end. Varly and Grubauer in net. They arent a contender today but easily could be a solid one in a year or 2.

Thats a lot of talent to push their way up in the standings in the central. There arent to many "Contenders" that can trade for EK and fit him under their salary cap.

Agreed.

This reads like a preemptive "I don't care about the return because I didn't want him here anymore anyway. Bad example for the kids."

I expect this sour grapes theme will be what some (not many) will cling to once the deal is done.
- BlueBallz

I literally said in my post "Get as much for him as possible" meaning of course I care about the return. All I'm saying is that Ottawa is bending over backwards for a guy who seems very ungrateful. That doesn't show loyalty or leadership on his part.

I'm somehow doubtful of that. But if true, it's also possible he's tired of the circus and just wants to win. Just don't pull a Tavares on us.

The EK65 decision is the linch-pin for the rest of this team's near-future success. If he goes for an underwhelming return, it's lights out.
- sportsdataguy

I agree and maybe he just wants a fresh start, but tough times are when people show their true character and to me he isn't looking like he has much integrity right now. That's also why I said "Get as much for him as possible" but I kind of see it this way.
#1. If he goes, it's not because of the team they are clearing trying to resign him. That's on him
#2. If he stays, they way he has handled this whole thing, has not put him in a good light to some fans.

Like I said, loyalty is a big thing with me. That's the reason I don't like Alfie anymore after he completely gave us on this team publicly twice. Karlsson is looking to have that same unloyal attitude.

If he resigns and proves me wrong, I'll be the first one cheering for him, but he's gotta prove it first.

I agree and maybe he just wants a fresh start, but tough times are when people show their true character and to me he isn't looking like he has much integrity right now. That's also why I said "Get as much for him as possible" but I kind of see it this way.
#1. If he goes, it's not because of the team they are clearing trying to resign him. That's on him
#2. If he stays, they way he has handled this whole thing, has not put him in a good light to some fans.

Like I said, loyalty is a big thing with me. That's the reason I don't like Alfie anymore after he completely gave us on this team publicly twice. Karlsson is looking to have that same unloyal attitude.

If he resigns and proves me wrong, I'll be the first one cheering for him, but he's gotta prove it first.
- Maverick1818

With fans like you I mean why would he not want to stay?

You can say that Karlsson would make them a bigger contender in the west. A team with MacKinnon, Rantanen, Jost, Kerfoot....Karlsson, Girard, Johnson, Zadorov on the back end. Varly and Grubauer in net. They arent a contender today but easily could be a solid one in a year or 2.

Thats a lot of talent to push their way up in the standings in the central. There arent to many "Contenders" that can trade for EK and fit him under their salary cap.
- DDM-Coga

Even if Sakic could convince Karlsson they could contend they do not have an NHL ready asset of the type Dorion wants. Just not an easy fit for any of the teams. Colorado is not in a position to give up young assets. Tampa on the other hand has as many as 5 entry level players that are pushing for playing time.

They were talking about it on Sportsnet yesterday, saying that the Sens made a very generous offer and apparently Karlsson didn't even give a counter offer and now it's reported that PD is letting Karlsson talk to other teams to try to get more value for him. Meaning the team knows he wont resign.

To me, loyalty is a big thing and Karlsson is showing that he doesn't have that.

At this point, even if he did resign in Ottawa. I think they should take away his "C", he's a great player but terrible leader.
- Maverick1818

So you think he should just re sign and piss his career away?

I agree and maybe he just wants a fresh start, but tough times are when people show their true character and to me he isn't looking like he has much integrity right now. That's also why I said "Get as much for him as possible" but I kind of see it this way.
#1. If he goes, it's not because of the team they are clearing trying to resign him. That's on him
#2. If he stays, they way he has handled this whole thing, has not put him in a good light to some fans.

Like I said, loyalty is a big thing with me. That's the reason I don't like Alfie anymore after he completely gave us on this team publicly twice. Karlsson is looking to have that same unloyal attitude.

If he resigns and proves me wrong, I'll be the first one cheering for him, but he's gotta prove it first.
- Maverick1818

I do not have a lot of inside information, but I know a little from multiple people connected to the Sens in different ways. There is absolute agreement that Melnyk is a horrible person and his behaviour is both unpredictable and unreliable.

With fans like you I mean why would he not want to stay?
- poopstash

I've been a Loyal fan of this team since year #1. I've gone to hundreds of games, purchased multiple jerseys, met quite a few NHL players and I'm always suggesting players I think will make the team better, or trades I think would be good for this team.

I appreciate loyalty and I really appreciate players like Neil, Phillips, and guys like that who chose to spend their entire career here because they genuinely wanted to make this team better. So if a player forces a trade or does something that actively hurts the team... Damn right I will turn on them.

Before Spezza, Yashin was one of my favorite players growing up. When he pulled the crap he did, he went from being a hockey idol that I looked up to and tried to play like, to basically being public enemy number one to me.

How would you feel about Doughty if he refused to resign and basically forced a trade, fully knowing he was screwing over the team and fan base? I doubt you'd be very happy with him either.

Again, if he proves me wrong a resigns, I'll be the first one cheering his name. But he's gotta prove it.

Even if Sakic could convince Karlsson they could contend they do not have an NHL ready asset of the type Dorion wants. Just not an easy fit for any of the teams. Colorado is not in a position to give up young assets. Tampa on the other hand has as many as 5 entry level players that are pushing for playing time.
- spatso

1....you are not very familiar with the Avs prospect pool so your comment is off the mark
2....Tampa has 23m in cap space with only 11 guys signed next year and need to resign Kucherov, Point...and add a Karlsson extention? I dont see how they stay a contender if thats the case. The combo of Kucherov and Kalrsson would eat up 80% of that cap space

I dont think he goes to the Avs, but they have something your team wants in the worst way and have been trying their hardest to get it back. Thats your own 1st round pick, and thats been reported by a multiple of people

So you think he should just re sign and piss his career away?
- walshyleafsfan

You think him resigning is pissing his career away?

With a core of Stone, Duchene, Chabot, Ryan with him. and young guys like Dzingle, White, Brown, Formenton, Chlapik, Tkachuk etc here or on the way.

I'd say resigning him and getting those young guys going, building from within and maybe making a few moves, would be a great way to build this team back into being a contender.

I thought most of the guys coming over from St. Louis could play centre.
- spatso

BErglund and Sobodka are 30. They are not long term.

Thompson is a winger.



Also, why is Ottawa trying to lump Ryan in with Karlsson, that kills so much of his value. virtually no team has the cap to take on 17+ MM.

If buffalo and Ottawa were to strike a deal. Bogosian and Okposo would have to be going back the other way, just to make the cap work.

I do not have a lot of inside information, but I know a little from multiple people connected to the Sens in different ways. There is absolute agreement that Melnyk is a horrible person and his behaviour is both unpredictable and unreliable.
- spatso

I agree and I'm 100% not siding with him. I think he should sell the team asap. All I'm saying is that Karlsson holds some responsibility in this as well.

You think him resigning is pissing his career away?

With a core of Stone, Duchene, Chabot, Ryan with him. and young guys like Dzingle, White, Brown, Formenton, Chlapik, Tkachuk etc here or on the way.

I'd say resigning him and getting those young guys going, building from within and maybe making a few moves, would be a great way to build this team back into being a contender.
- Maverick1818

Yes. Yes I absolutely do. They are do far down the list of teams I think have a shot at a cup any time soon.

I can think of 15 teams with a better core than that. Probably more.

Yes. Yes I absolutely do. They are do far down the list of teams I think have a shot at a cup any time soon.

I can think of 15 teams with a better core than that. Probably more.
- walshyleafsfan

That's a fair point, Pierre M was talking about this on the team 1200 today, how Ottawa is a much better team already than their record showed last year. He was also saying that Ottawa's prospect pool is one of the best in the league right now. They have so many players projecting to be top 6 talent and the youth movement in the room is something so positive he hasn't seen in years.

I know it's dark times right now, but Ottawa's future is looking bright if we can keep on track.

That's a fair point, Pierre M was talking about this on the team 1200 today, how Ottawa is a much better team already than their record showed last year. He was also saying that Ottawa's prospect pool is one of the best in the league right now. They have so many players projecting to be top 6 talent and the youth movement in the room is something so positive he hasn't seen in years.

I know it's dark times right now, but Ottawa's future is looking bright if we can keep on track.
- Maverick1818

To be fair. It's Pierre McGuire. His track record is appalling. I've been hearing about how great the Sens for years now from Spatso and Derps. Other than Chabot i haven't seen any I've been impressed with. If any of these prospect span out they'll want to be paid fairly. And at that point, the Sens will then have to ship them out

That's a fair point, Pierre M was talking about this on the team 1200 today, how Ottawa is a much better team already than their record showed last year. He was also saying that Ottawa's prospect pool is one of the best in the league right now. They have so many players projecting to be top 6 talent and the youth movement in the room is something so positive he hasn't seen in years.

I know it's dark times right now, but Ottawa's future is looking bright if we can keep on track.
- Maverick1818

A Karlsson trade for NHL ready prospects actually fits well into development profile for Ottawa. It depends on what they get back but Dorion is expecting to be a better team as early as next year.

A Karlsson trade for NHL ready prospects actually fits well into development profile for Ottawa. It depends on what they get back but Dorion is expecting to be a better team as early as next year.
- spatso

I will say that he's finally admitting to some of his blunders by doing a bit of addition by subtraction. Removing Oduya and Burrows are prime examples of that, and will help.