Leetch definitely was a hell of a player, I was so pumped when Toronto got him I really thought that 03-04 Leafs team had the stuff to go all the way.

Sundin, Mogilny, Roberts, Francis, Nieuwendyk, Nolan(missed playoffs), Tucker, Leetch, McCabe, Kaberle etc.


I've hated Roenick ever since.
- Blazed

It sucked when he got traded. That was a long wait after that, getting back to respectability

If the trade is straight up for Karlsson (no Ryan contract attached) then the Bolts don't need Ottawa to take any cap back, they can move Callahan or Coburn to make the extra 2 million or buy one of those guys out in worst case scenario. I have no idea what the return would be but Tampa has a ton of good prospects. They have legitimately 6-8 NHL ready players in the next year sitting in Syracuse who haven't cracked the Tampa lineup.

If they have to take Ryan's contract then I am not so sure what it would take, but the return would be less then a straight up trade for Karlsson.
- stammerman

I think you are correct. But Tampa's issue comes in the next two years when guys like Point and Sergachev will put themselves in a position to be able to ask for serious money. Never mind Kucherov who will be able to ask for superstar dollars.

Yzerman knows he needs to win now because some of the bodies are going to have to be moved. I suspect he has a plan and he knows exactly how he is going to do it.

there is no way to quantify it yet. But based on that value, it would be placing Ottawa 9th in the draft lottery. I dont see 8 teams that might be worse than the Sens at this current moment
- DDM-Coga

No, I'm saying that they aren't guaranteed dead last, and even if they were, they'd only have an 18.5% of getting 1st overall. But they aren't guaranteed last, so the chances are much lower.

No, I'm saying that they aren't guaranteed dead last, and even if they were, they'd only have an 18.5% of getting 1st overall. But they aren't guaranteed last, so the chances are much lower.
- Trevor Shackles

Take your fancy stats to the chess club nerd.

It sucked when he got traded. That was a long wait after that, getting back to respectability
- Slimtj100

Oh wow google is great for getting the memories flooding back in. Fun fact, the only part of the trade (at the time big haul) for Leetch that had any promise for the Rangers, Phaneuf murdered.

https://www.youtube.com/w...continue=18&v=pQ2qPecBdqc

Nah, Makar isnt going anywhere. Avs will be holding that 1st round draft pick hostage. I would be shocked that they include any of their top d prospects in any deal
- DDM-Coga

can you even attempt to make your posts more unbiased.

Karlsson is world class - it would take Makar ++

You seriously expect Sergachev and trade Ryan at the same time?
- Slimtj100

No. Reports are suggesting that their are offers that include Ryan and offers for Karlsson alone. The actual Ryan $000 hit is $5,5m this year. The cap hit is significantly higher. Ottawa is in a position to retain a substantial portion of the Ryan salary cap.

But, I am not sure why Ryan is even included in the discussion other than for Melnyk being so just plain ....whatever

No. Reports are suggesting that their are offers that include Ryan and offers for Karlsson alone. The actual Ryan $000 hit is $5,5m this year. The cap hit is significantly higher. Ottawa is in a position to retain a substantial portion of the Ryan salary cap.

But, I am not sure why Ryan is even included in the discussion other than for Melnyk being so just plain ....whatever
- spatso

Ok I see. I agree, they should trade Karlsson by himself

Pierre Dorion chose Brady Tkachuk over Jack Hughes. Remember that.
- FinnGod

I dare you to come here next year and say that - there's no logic in what you're saying. Lottery doesn't work like that

Ok I see. I agree, they should trade Karlsson by himself
- Slimtj100

Yes the Ryan thing just make it more complicated and for a team like Tampa it means the need to involve a third team to complete the transaction. In the end it is going to require Ottawa eating some of the cap and somebody adding in an asset to make it happen for Ryan. It is entirely bogus to link Ryan to Karlsson and as they closer to a deal that will become apparent to Ottawa....but, perhaps not to Melnyk.

Yes the Ryan thing just make it more complicated and for a team like Tampa it means the need to involve a third team to complete the transaction. In the end it is going to require Ottawa eating some of the cap and somebody adding in an asset to make it happen for Ryan. It is entirely bogus to link Ryan to Karlsson and as they closer to a deal that will become apparent to Ottawa....but, perhaps not to Melnyk.
- spatso

Linking Ryan to Karlsson is something so ridiculous only Ottawa could suggest it.

Linking Ryan to Karlsson is something so ridiculous only Ottawa could suggest it.
- Blazed

Compared to other stuff Melnyk has done it is merely situation normal for the fans of the Sens.

Compared to other stuff Melnyk has done it is merely situation normal for the fans of the Sens.
- spatso

Fair.

NY has the highest tax burden of any location in the NHL. Not only do they have a heavy city and state tax on players, the new Trump tax reductions actually imposed a new tax on NY state residents (by ellimating state taxes as a federal deduction.

Nevada, Texas, Florida and Tennessee have far and away the lowest tax rates. Yes, players do want to win and they also want to cash in. Tampa clearly has the most going for it under these two criteria.
- spatso

That explains why Tavares went to Toronto. JvR to philly. Neal to Calgary.

can you even attempt to make your posts more unbiased.

Karlsson is world class - it would take Makar ++
- AlfieisKing

The Sens don't have the typical leverage that most teams do though. Everyone knows their situation. Look at the whole Hoffman fiasco.

Obviously this isn't as desperate of a situation as the Hoffman one, but it's going to hurt Dorion's negotiating power.

The Sens letting other teams talk to Karlsson's agent is basically telling the league "he ain't signing with Ottawa so start the bidding"

New york traded away their best defensman, and have shown they're committing to a rebuild. What happened five years ago isn't really relevant to what is going on today.

They missed the playoffs last year, and will in all likelihood be worse this year.

Lundqvist is great but getting older. It's just not a good fit for the Rangers. Stay the course and rebuild.
- david22

It’s not about what happened 5 years ago. It was about what they did over 5 seasons!! Just 2 seasons ago we lost to Ottowa in playoffs. Adding Karlsson and Shattenkirk more than makes up for loss of McDonaugh. Again, if you’re saying Lundquist is getting old, then same logic goes to Vegas and Fleury. Except we’ll have highly rated Shesterkin coming over from KHL next year.

The Sens don't have the typical leverage that most teams do though. Everyone knows their situation. Look at the whole Hoffman fiasco.

Obviously this isn't as desperate of a situation as the Hoffman one, but it's going to hurt Dorion's negotiating power.

The Sens letting other teams talk to Karlsson's agent is basically telling the league "he ain't signing with Ottawa so start the bidding"
- Nucker101

This x100.

If the Sens manage to trade EK right now (prior to the next season), which honestly is the best thing to do at this point considering all of this speculation and the fact that Ottawa has actually given other teams permission to talk with EK (signalling that EK is most likely on his way out), they can still get a solid piece to incorporate into their future plans, but it isn't going to cost other teams as much as some people think.

It would be foolish to even think that Ottawa can garner anything close to his actual value at this point.

To many of the Lightning players have no trade clauses. Hypothetically, I would do something like Johnson, Foote, Callahan, Raddysh or Katchouk, and a second or something like that if we knew Karlsson would resign. Not sure if that's to much or not enough for him. Johnson and Callahan would have to want to go to Ottawa though, so I dont see a deal like that going through.

Even still, if Yzerman is able to trade for Karlsson, that would be insane. Getting him would make the Lightning the favorites to win the cup, but it would make it that much harder to find space to sign Kucherov, Point, and Vasi. But if he was able to trade for him, and sign everyone, theres no doubt that a core of Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, Hedman, Karlsson, McDonaugh, Sergachev, and Vasi would be the best in the NHL.
- jvar17

Signing all those guys is a huuuuge if. Currently, they have less than 5 mil in cap space, which isn’t even enough for Karlsson salary right now!!!

I don't think Tampa is a target but assuming the cap will go to 82M for 19/20 and they sign Karlsson, the statement is false that Tampa can't make it happen:

Forwards: Stamkos, Palat, Miller, Johnson, Killorn, Callahan, Raddysh, Katchouk, Cirelli
9 for 36.5M

Defensemen: Karlsson (11M), Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Foote
5 for 25,5MM

Goalies: Vasilevskiy, Domingue for 4,5M

That is around 67M for 16 roster players. So then they would have 15M to resign Gourde, Kucherov and Point. This would be possible to do (Point gets a 2 yr bridge).

Trade away Callahan and you can fill the rest of your roster with bottom dwellers (Dotchin, Paquette, Koekkoek etc). SO MUCH WIN.

The year after you would have to resign some guys including Sergachev, Vasilevskiy but Sergachev is likely to be in the package for Karlsson. The year after you could also try to move Johnson, Miller or Killorn.

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Killorn - Stamkos - Kucherov
Palat - Johnson - Point
Gourde - Cirelli - Miller
Katchouk - Paquette - Raddysh
Erne

Hedman - Karlsson
McDonagh - Foote
Masin/Sergachev - Dotchin
Koekkoek

Vasilevskiy Domingue

great post above ^

Karlsson can sign less than 10m in tampa where taxes are really favorable

great post above ^

Karlsson can sign less than 10m in tampa where taxes are really favorable
- AlfieisKing

Yzerman usually deals right from the top of the deck and my guess is he offers Karlsson $11m x 8. I think he offers Dorion Sergachev plus one other quality prospect and asks Ottawa to take back a salary (Callahan at $5.4m x2).

I am somewhat cynical about the window dressing being put in place. I think Dorion already knows the deal he is doing and I think it is Tampa.

My doubt about Tampa is the McDonagh contract. The timing shocked everyone. Would Yzerman move McDonagh to a third teams as part of a three way?

I don't think Tampa is a target but assuming the cap will go to 82M for 19/20 and they sign Karlsson, the statement is false that Tampa can't make it happen:

Forwards: Stamkos, Palat, Miller, Johnson, Killorn, Callahan, Raddysh, Katchouk, Cirelli
9 for 36.5M

Defenseman: Karlsson (11M), Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Foote
5 for 25,5MM

Goalies: Vasilevskiy, Domingue for 4,5M

That is around 67M for 15 roster players. So then they would have 15M to resign Gourde, Kucherov and Point. This would be possible to do (Point gets a 2 yr bridge).

Trade away Callahan and you can fill the rest of your roster with bottom dwellers (Dotchin, Paquette, Koekkoek etc). SO MUCH WIN.

The year after you would have to resign some guys including Sergachev, Vasilevskiy but Sergachev is likely to be in the pkg for Karlsson. The year after you could also try to move Johnson, Miller or Killorn.

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Killorn - Stamkos - Kucherov
Palat - Johnson - Point
Gourde - Cirelli - Miller
Katchouk - Paquette - Raddysh
Erne

Hedman - Karlsson
McDonagh - Foote
Masin - Dotchin
Koekkoek

Vasilevskiy Domingue
- DutchSenators

The statement above was it’s a huge if. You can’t just say trade away guys who have ntc’s. As I mentioned, Tampa currently has 4.45 in cap space. That’s based on 21 out of 23 roster spots. Depending on what you give up in trade, it’ll be really tight squeezing in Karlsson salary this year. They do have 3 UFA defensemen next year, but Karlsson extension will account for another 4 mil probably. What will Kucherov get? Paqiette currently has no contract, plus the others mentioned next year. So yeah, Karlsson probably can be squeezed in, but who are you losing as cap casualties plus those that go in trade? He’s really not a big need in Tampa

This situation makes me more sad day by day. Just get it (frank)ing done. Re-sign or trade, then at least the waiting is over. This is terrible for us fans, let alone for Karlsson.

(frank)ing incompetent twats
- DutchSenators

C'mon mate, chin up. Think of it this way, you could support the Islànders.....poor bastards

The Sens don't have the typical leverage that most teams do though. Everyone knows their situation. Look at the whole Hoffman fiasco.

Obviously this isn't as desperate of a situation as the Hoffman one, but it's going to hurt Dorion's negotiating power.

The Sens letting other teams talk to Karlsson's agent is basically telling the league "he ain't signing with Ottawa so start the bidding"
- Nucker101

This is what terrifies me.

Tampa with Karlsson is scary.

Tampa with Karlsson, having given up nothing of value makes me poop my pants.

Rangers definitely not involved, not straying from their rebuild