They can't afford him. They're broke as (frank).
- walshyleafsfan

Spezza could potentially help us make some money selling blow on the side.

You guys can have spezza back for him.
- NoobasaurusRex

I strongly opposed the Sens wanting to do any kind of a new deal with Spezza and I delighted when he was traded to Dallas. I have no doubts you quickly discovered that a highly skilled offensive player that plays a soft game does not translate into wins.

Spezza played a beautiful game. Nice to watch. Just not hard enough on the puck. Is Dallas still paying him?

I think the exercise on Karlsson is very simple.

Las Vegas has offered Cody Glass and some other pieces. If nobody offers anything better than Cody Glass...that is the deal. I think Dorion takes the deal with the best prospect at the top of the offer.

I think the exercise on Karlsson is very simple.

Las Vegas has offered Cody Glass and some other pieces. If nobody offers anything better than Cody Glass...that is the deal. I think Dorion takes the deal with the best prospect at the top of the offer.
- spatso

They absolutely cannot include Ryan in the deal. It will turn what could be a great return into next to nothing.

...so of course they will.

I think the exercise on Karlsson is very simple.

Las Vegas has offered Cody Glass and some other pieces. If nobody offers anything better than Cody Glass...that is the deal. I think Dorion takes the deal with the best prospect at the top of the offer.
- spatso

Or Ottawa does what they do best and totally butcher this and he walks as a UFA.

I strongly opposed the Sens wanting to do any kind of a new deal with Spezza and I delighted when he was traded to Dallas. I have no doubts you quickly discovered that a highly skilled offensive player that plays a soft game does not translate into wins.

Spezza played a beautiful game. Nice to watch. Just not hard enough on the puck. Is Dallas still paying him?
- spatso

Up until last year he was good for us. Filled 2C great. The problem was Hitchcock is an idiot. janmark was lost for a season so instead of spreading the wealth and having Benn or Radulov play with him he was stuck with grinders. I have faith that getting nichushkin back or another top 6 winger will help. This is the last year on his deal.

They absolutely cannot include Ryan in the deal. It will turn what could be a great return into next to nothing.

...so of course they will.
- david22

Seems like a Melnyk approved move.

I think the exercise on Karlsson is very simple.

Las Vegas has offered Cody Glass and some other pieces. If nobody offers anything better than Cody Glass...that is the deal. I think Dorion takes the deal with the best prospect at the top of the offer.
- spatso

I believe thats incorrect. Ott wanted Glass in the trade with Colin Miller and a 1st round pick and Vegas said No on Glass which is why the deal fell apart.

Teams are not willing to part with Top prospects if Ryan is included in the deal

I'd like to think NJ would try to get involved. A bonafide number 1 defenseman is easily the team's biggest need, and they have the cap space to take on EK and Ryan. They could actually use some winger depth anyways.

Up until last year he was good for us. Filled 2C great. The problem was Hitchcock is an idiot. janmark was lost for the season so instead of spreading the wealth and having Benn or Radulov play with him he was stuck with grinders. I have faith that getting nichushkin back or another top 6 winger will help. This is the last year on his deal.
- NoobasaurusRex

Brutal. Had a friend who was a great evaluator of talent who used to fume every time he watched Spezza play. His frustration was along the line that God gave him so much talent and he ruined it by playing too soft, never hard on the puck. Tavares is a poor man's version of Jason Spezza. Tavares is not as gifted offensively but he plays a more assertive defensive game.

Brutal. Had a friend who was a great evaluator of talent who used to fume every time he watched Spezza play. His frustration was along the line that God gave him so much talent and he ruined it by playing too soft, never hard on the puck. Tavares is a poor man's version of Jason Spezza. Tavares is not as gifted offensively but he plays a more assertive defensive game.
- spatso

Tavares a poor man's Spezza, that's great.

I believe thats incorrect. Ott wanted Glass in the trade with Colin Miller and a 1st round pick and Vegas said No on Glass which is why the deal fell apart.

Teams are not willing to part with Top prospects if Ryan is included in the deal
- DDM-Coga

Any proposals that I heard about were always headed up by the inclusion of Cody Glass. Without Glass, Vegas does not have a serious offer.

Any proposals that I heard about were always headed up by the inclusion of Cody Glass. Without Glass, Vegas does not have a serious offer.
- spatso

right from Elliott Friedman himself...Vegas did not want to include Glass
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...iting-erik-karlsson-deal/

Tavares a poor man's Spezza, that's great.
- Blazed

Despite Spezza's soft game he did go deep into the playoffs on multiple occasions and to a Stanley Cup final where he was dominated by a very physical Anaheim team. In 9 years Tavares has not done very much.

Brutal. Had a friend who was a great evaluator of talent who used to fume every time he watched Spezza play. His frustration was along the line that God gave him so much talent and he ruined it by playing too soft, never hard on the puck. Tavares is a poor man's version of Jason Spezza. Tavares is not as gifted offensively but he plays a more assertive defensive game.
- spatso

You can still see the skill. He'll have games where he looks like a wizard with the puck. I think it's too late for him tho now. Faksa has passed him up and we need to spend his money on Seguin. I just hope he gets dumped on Arizona or gets his poop together for 1 year with better wingers.

For all the short sighted folks here: Figure whoever gets Karlsson will have him for next 8 years. Vegas had an incredible run but try to remember they didn’t even exist season before!!! They might have prospects to get a deal done, but they’ll be left with nothing. All prospects where from last years draft. They traded this years 1st and will probably have to give Ottowa next years.. as far as cap space, last years leading scorer( who never did anything before this season) is an rfa. He’ll probably need a big raise to keep him. Theodore too. They already lost their 3rd and 6th leading scorers, Perron and Neal. Next year Fleury and Schmidt become UFA. So tell me why Karlsson would want to spend 8 years on a team that’s over the cap and has no farm? And seriously doubt they have same success next year.
Now explain why a team like Rangers makes no sense? We have more prospects than we can keep. People seem to forget, guys we traded ufa when season ended, so didn’t really cost us. Only 2 players who would’ve still been on team this season, McDonaugh and Miller, where replaced by Spooner and Namestikov... and a boatload of picks and prospects!! Let’s not forget, until deadline when they decided to sell off some older players, Rangers had won more playoff series than any other team over 5 previous seasons ( something like that) HOF goalie for next 3 seasons at least, and don’t tell me he’s washed up when he’s only a year older than Fleury!! Shattenkirk missed most of last season along with Kreider and Zib. Still have a bunch of players just coming into their prime. So yeah, they make perfect sense since they have a competitive roster ( they finished 3 point behind Isles with Tavares) and a nice group of future studs.

right from Elliott Friedman himself...Vegas did not want to include Glass
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...iting-erik-karlsson-deal/


- DDM-Coga

I don't believe a deal with Ottawa was ever possible unless Glass was included. I think the idea that Glass was never available came into being once the deal fell apart. Cody Glass is a good junior player. No guarantee that he can perform at a high level in NHL.
If, for example, Tampa offered up Sergachev, I would take him before Glass.

Trevor Shackles: Sign and Trade for Karlsson?
Is a sign and trade possible for Erik Karlsson?
- Trevor Shackles

Oh for the love of God, can we please stop with this franking sign and trade talk?

There has never been one in the NHL. There never will be one.

The Sens will grant permission to Team X to speak with Karlsson's camp. A new contract will be agreed to in principle with Team X - not with franking Ottawa. Then the trade will happen - and Team X will extend him.

Karlsson isn't signing anything with a Senators logo on it ever again.

I don't believe a deal with Ottawa was ever possible unless Glass was included. I think the idea that Glass was never available came into being once the deal fell apart. Cody Glass is a good junior player. No guarantee that he can perform at a high level in NHL.
If, for example, Tampa offered up Sergachev, I would take him before Glass.
- spatso

you might think all you want, but if one of the biggest insiders with more connections in the industry is saying Karlsson was almost traded to Vegas bu Vegas wouldn't include glass....it wasn't a non started in trade talks and there was traction despite Glass not being in it

Like I said as soon as you lump Bobby Ryan in any deal you are taking a nose dive in assets back and wont be getting any top end prospects. And if you do, you wont be getting much more else with that

Oh for the love of God, can we please stop with this franking sign and trade talk?

There has never been one in the NHL. There never will be one.

The Sens will grant permission to Team X to speak with Karlsson's camp. A new contract will be agreed to in principle with Team X - not with franking Ottawa. Then the trade will happen - and Team X will extend him.

Karlsson isn't signing anything with a Senators logo on it ever again.
- Atomic Wedgie

Unlikely, but wasn't hossa-heatley a sign and trade?

For all the short sighted folks here: Figure whoever gets Karlsson will have him for next 8 years. Vegas had an incredible run but try to remember they didn’t even exist season before!!! They might have prospects to get a deal done, but they’ll be left with nothing. All prospects where from last years draft. They traded this years 1st and will probably have to give Ottowa next years.. as far as cap space, last years leading scorer( who never did anything before this season) is an rfa. He’ll probably need a big raise to keep him. Theodore too. They already lost their 3rd and 6th leading scorers, Perron and Neal. Next year Fleury and Schmidt become UFA. So tell me why Karlsson would want to spend 8 years on a team that’s over the cap and has no farm? And seriously doubt they have same success next year.
Now explain why a team like Rangers makes no sense? We have more prospects than we can keep. People seem to forget, guys we traded ufa when season ended, so didn’t really cost us. Only 2 players who would’ve still been on team this season, McDonaugh and Miller, where replaced by Spooner and Namestikov... and a boatload of picks and prospects!! Let’s not forget, until deadline when they decided to sell off some older players, Rangers had won more playoff series than any other team over 5 previous seasons ( something like that) HOF goalie for next 3 seasons at least, and don’t tell me he’s washed up when he’s only a year older than Fleury!! Shattenkirk missed most of last season along with Kreider and Zib. Still have a bunch of players just coming into their prime. So yeah, they make perfect sense since they have a competitive roster ( they finished 3 point behind Isles with Tavares) and a nice group of future studs.
- junaka3

NY has the highest tax burden of any location in the NHL. Not only do they have a heavy city and state tax on players, the new Trump tax reductions actually imposed a new tax on NY state residents (by ellimating state taxes as a federal deduction.

Nevada, Texas, Florida and Tennessee have far and away the lowest tax rates. Yes, players do want to win and they also want to cash in. Tampa clearly has the most going for it under these two criteria.

you might think all you want, but if one of the biggest insiders with more connections in the industry is saying Karlsson was almost traded to Vegas bu Vegas wouldn't include glass....it wasn't a non started in trade talks and there was traction despite Glass not being in it

Like I said as soon as you lump Bobby Ryan in any deal you are taking a nose dive in assets back and wont be getting any top end prospects. And if you do, you wont be getting much more else with that
- DDM-Coga

Well regardless how anybody tries to explain it on background Ottawa decided not to do the deal.

Pierre Dorion chose Brady Tkachuk over Jack Hughes. Remember that.

Pierre Dorion chose Brady Tkachuk over Jack Hughes. Remember that.
- FinnGod

Even if Ottawa finishes last next year there is still an 80% probability they do not pick first. It is 50% probable that they pick 4th. And, if they finish better than last the odds come down even further.

For all the short sighted folks here: Figure whoever gets Karlsson will have him for next 8 years. Vegas had an incredible run but try to remember they didn’t even exist season before!!! They might have prospects to get a deal done, but they’ll be left with nothing. All prospects where from last years draft. They traded this years 1st and will probably have to give Ottowa next years.. as far as cap space, last years leading scorer( who never did anything before this season) is an rfa. He’ll probably need a big raise to keep him. Theodore too. They already lost their 3rd and 6th leading scorers, Perron and Neal. Next year Fleury and Schmidt become UFA. So tell me why Karlsson would want to spend 8 years on a team that’s over the cap and has no farm? And seriously doubt they have same success next year.
Now explain why a team like Rangers makes no sense? We have more prospects than we can keep. People seem to forget, guys we traded ufa when season ended, so didn’t really cost us. Only 2 players who would’ve still been on team this season, McDonaugh and Miller, where replaced by Spooner and Namestikov... and a boatload of picks and prospects!! Let’s not forget, until deadline when they decided to sell off some older players, Rangers had won more playoff series than any other team over 5 previous seasons ( something like that) HOF goalie for next 3 seasons at least, and don’t tell me he’s washed up when he’s only a year older than Fleury!! Shattenkirk missed most of last season along with Kreider and Zib. Still have a bunch of players just coming into their prime. So yeah, they make perfect sense since they have a competitive roster ( they finished 3 point behind Isles with Tavares) and a nice group of future studs.
- junaka3

New york traded away their best defensman, and have shown they're committing to a rebuild. What happened five years ago isn't really relevant to what is going on today.

They missed the playoffs last year, and will in all likelihood be worse this year.

Lundqvist is great but getting older. It's just not a good fit for the Rangers. Stay the course and rebuild.