Can't see a deal with Colorado. Sens will go with top prospect offered, plus. They want prospects that can crack into the line up this year. Whatever Dorion's rebuild plan is it supposedly has a three year window. Next year's draft does not appear to be part of short term calculus.
- spatso

its such a gamble to blow this team up without having your own 1st round pick.
I don't think they make the trade for EK to the Avs...but its just a dangerous game now which is why I was a bit shocked they didnt just give up that 4th overall pick this year. Jack Hughes is a unique talent and to dismiss the opportunity to get him is a bad move IMO

They have to get back more than Buffalo got for ROR. They have to hit a home run after Hoffman fiasco. Has to be a monster deal or the fan base will run away.....not that a lot haven't already.
- GrimmdaGoalie

The Buffalo trade with St Louis was intriguing. They filled in a lot of holes and should be seriously competitive next year. They could be a contender for Karlsson and have a prime prospect in Mittlestadt that would cause Dorion to pay attention.

Dorion loves the kids out of the US national program.

Hey buddy- I think with the craziness of the thread switching over to this new blog, you might have missed this question. Just let me know, when you said:


Did you mean to say that you never actually said this:


Or this:

?

I’m sure you can easily clear this up.
- Feeling Glucky?

Oh boy this is great

its such a gamble to blow this team up without having your own 1st round pick.
I don't think they make the trade for EK to the Avs...but its just a dangerous game now which is why I was a bit shocked they didnt just give up that 4th overall pick this year
- DDM-Coga

The numbers are actually pretty stark. Better than even chance they are below 4th pick next year. I think next year there is an 80% probability against drafting first even if you finish last. Finishing last only gives you a 50% chance at drafting in the 4 slot.

The numbers are actually pretty stark. Better than even chance they are below 4th pick next year. I think next year there is an 80% probability against drafting first even if you finish last.
- spatso

or you can finish 3rd last in the standings and get the 1st overall pick. From all things looking right now, if they move EK thats going to be a Bottom 5 team in the league. Like I said its a dangerous game to play moving EK unless you get some immediate help on the NHL roster from the deal

its such a gamble to blow this team up without having your own 1st round pick.
I don't think they make the trade for EK to the Avs...but its just a dangerous game now which is why I was a bit shocked they didnt just give up that 4th overall pick this year. Jack Hughes is a unique talent and to dismiss the opportunity to get him is a bad move IMO
- DDM-Coga

I don’t think the fact that they’re likely giving up a great shot at Hughes should really factor into their decisions. What’s done is done. Unless they can convince Colorado to return that pick(doubtful, even for EK), they need to treat it as a sunk cost. I believe systemtool may have made the point that it even benefits them to still tank, to help ensure they don’t have to face their mistake as often in a season.

The worry is that Dorion and Melnyk may let their hubris get in the way, and further damage the team’s future to not have to face the optics of trading the first overall pick for a minor upgrade in what should be their future 2C.

or you can finish 3rd last in the standings and get the 1st overall pick. From all things looking right now, if they move EK thats going to be a Bottom 5 team in the league. Like I said its a dangerous game to play moving EK unless you get some immediate help on the NHL roster from the deal
- DDM-Coga

I think that is the Dorion plan. He wants top prospect on entry level deal that will play next year.

Oh boy this is great
- poopstash

I’m not sure how he keeps missing these posts?

Perhaps he has a convenient crack in his reading glasses?

I don’t think the fact that they’re likely giving up a great shot at Hughes should really factor into their decisions. What’s done is done. Unless they can convince Colorado to return that pick(doubtful, even for EK), they need to treat it as a sunk cost. I believe systemtool may have made the point that it even benefits them to still tank, to help ensure they don’t have to face their mistake as often in a season.

The worry is that Dorion and Melnyk may let their hubris get in the way, and further damage the team’s future to not have to face the optics of trading the first overall pick for a minor upgrade in what should be their future 2C.
- Feeling Glucky?

I am convinced that Melnyk already has his exit date in terms of team ownership. I think everything that is happening is about cashing out. There is a strong argument for new ownership to want a superstar as the face of the franchise. There is an equal argument (just as valid) that you want to cut costs to the bone and offer the public a young exciting team. Both options work if Melnyk is gone. Nothing works if Melnyk stays on into this fall.

Honestly, who would want to pay Erik Karlsson 11 million? He definitely drives play but his defense is not great.

I’m not sure how he keeps missing these posts?

Perhaps he has a convenient crack in his reading glasses?
- Feeling Glucky?

His silence is deafening.

His silence is deafening.
- poopstash

We are amused by your preoccupation with our thoughts. Perhaps you guys just need to lighten up and realize this is just hockey talk. As I said before I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. And, I am sorry if you feel abandoned because I left the forum thread.

But, once I decided I could no longer tolerate Melnyk's ownership I could no longer continue my dialogue with you in good faith. I hope you all enjoy your summer.

Honestly, who would want to pay Erik Karlsson 11 million? He definitely drives play but his defense is not great.
- Mahewman

A lot of teams would. Apparently not the Ottawa Senators though.

Btw, your argument about his defence is old and played out. He's better than you are suggesting. If you can't see that, you either don't want to see it, or are incapable.

To OTT: Jacob Trouba, Dmitri Kulikov, Kristian Vesalainen, Bryan Little, 2019 1st round pick, 2019 3rd round pick, 2020 2nd round pick

To WPG: Bobby Ryan, Erik Karlsson

Honestly, who would want to pay Erik Karlsson 11 million? He definitely drives play but his defense is not great.
- Mahewman

Interesting point. Boston fans have a distorted perspective of Karlsson's skill. It comes primarily from the Bruins' announcer who insists on highlighting and exaggerating any and every defensive decision made by Karlsson.

There is not a GM in the league that does not understand that Karrlsson plays an outstanding defensive game. The first half of last year was a minor blip as he played on half a leg. Second half of last year he was as good as he has ever played.

There are a few teams (Tampa, Nashville) that become Cup favourites with Karlsson in the line up.

Doesnt make a lot sense for the Avs to include him. Out of all the future pieces I do think your own 1st would be the most valuable. Then you need to take back Barries cap hit to hit the floor. Not sure what else goes with that. But Makar, Timmins, and Bowers, Kaut would be all no goes at this time

Only way that makes sense is if Barrie is moved in a different deal for a Nylander/Marner level piece. Barrie and EK would be redundant on the same roster
- DDM-Coga

lol did you seriously just suggest Barrie for Marner.

We are amused by your preoccupation with our thoughts. Perhaps you guys just need to lighten up and realize this is just hockey talk. As I said before I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. And, I am sorry if you feel abandoned because I left the forum thread.

But, once I decided I could no longer tolerate Melnyk's ownership I could no longer continue my dialogue with you in good faith. I hope you all enjoy your summer.
- spatso

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-FGIyxk-_Mk

A lot of teams would. Apparently not the Ottawa Senators though.

Btw, your argument about his defence is old and played out. He's better than you are suggesting. If you can't see that, you either don't want to see it, or are incapable.
- hemlock34

He is definitely better than he was a few years ago but its still not great.

Interesting point. Boston fans have a distorted perspective of Karlsson's skill. It comes primarily from the Bruins' announcer who insists on highlighting and exaggerating any and every defensive decision made by Karlsson.

There is not a GM in the league that does not understand that Karrlsson plays an outstanding defensive game. The first half of last year was a minor blip as he played on half a leg. Second half of last year he was as good as he has ever played.

There are a few teams (Tampa, Nashville) that become Cup favourites with Karlsson in the line up.
- spatso

He is outstanding because he is amazing with the puck and he will play 30 minutes if he has too. Tremendous vision. He just isnt shutting people down. I dont think he should make as much as Doughty. Ottawa should give him 10 and he should stay.

He is definitely better than he was a few years ago but its still not great.
- Mahewman

Karlsson does defensive stuff on the opposing blue line that nobody in the league is capable of doing. He is a Dman that breaks up the opposing team rushes before they ever get started.

His play against Pittsburgh and Crosby in the Congerence final two years ago was a virtuoso performance. Last year was blip. He had ankle surgery in the off season and struggles turning to his right when he first came back. By the end of the season he was playing as well as I have seen him play.

You take the best prospect plus whatever. Right now the best prospect that has been put on the table is Cody Glass. The Islanders can probably do the best package Pulock, Dobson and Wahlstrom. I actually wondered if the Isles drafted with the Sens and Karlsson in mind. Love both of their 2018 picks. Supposedly the Isles would do Ryan and Anderson as well...so, the Sens could take back some salary.


Not sure anyone should rule out Yzerman. Strange to see people say he is full in on Karlsson. The signing of McDonagh seems counter to that idea. Would he flip McDonagh for assets and package them with some of his own in an offer for Karlsson?

If a deal gets done it may very well involve three teams.
- spatso

Ummm no !

He is outstanding because he is amazing with the puck and he will play 30 minutes if he has too. Tremendous vision. He just isnt shutting people down. I dont think he should make as much as Doughty. Ottawa should give him 10 and he should stay.
- Mahewman

I love physical players (e.g. Ovechkin). Ovechkin seldom ever gets across the blue line when he plays face en face with Karlsson.

Ummm no !
- cdn_Isles_fan

I agree with you. I don't understand the reports about the Isles chasing Karlsson in a big way. They need to take their time and build on their strong group of highly skilled youngsters.

You guys can have spezza back for him.

You guys can have spezza back for him.
- NoobasaurusRex

They can't afford him. They're broke as (frank).