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LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:00 PM ET
It's a good problem to have. Fill Utica up and take the slow route, I love it. Next year or at the TDL we look at moves for picks (isn't this what we all really want anyway?). This sets up some TDL moves IMO, whoever is playing well in Utica by then. Bring on the picks!
- neem55

There isn't really anyone of value to move other than Sutter for his defensive game. For cowards that is.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:00 PM ET
These guys are gonna allow for some time to grow kids in the AHL, in the short term it's pretty meaningless, in the long term it could present a problem or a buyout situation.

Beagle specifically.

- LeftCoaster


Boucher was Comets best player last year . Hopefully that changes this year
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:01 PM ET
Kuzma mentioned he looked a little faster. Hoping he pans out into a 2 or 3. No Hughes...still with the flu.

I picked Sweden. Go Columbia!

- Eldebrink

I had the Swiss. They let me down.

LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:03 PM ET
Boucher was Comets best player last year . Hopefully that changes this year
- VANTEL

Personally I don't care if the Comets win or lose I just want the kids to learn how to become NHL players. Don't get me wrong, winning is better, but it's the other lessons I'm far more concerned with.

See article on Lind as an example.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:06 PM ET
Personally I don't care if the Comets win or lose I just want the kids to learn how to become NHL players. Don't get me wrong, winning is better, but it's the other lessons I'm far more concerned with.
- LeftCoaster



The winning and losing is secondary seeing some top players are playing in different leagues. They are learning how to play the game right and against skilled men that are close to NHL talent.

Palmu will be a dark horse this year keep an eye on him

IMO Lind is a long shot . At least 2 years away
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:07 PM ET
The winning and losing is secondary seeing some top players are playing in different leagues. They are learning how to play the game right and against skilled men that are close to NHL talent.

Palmu will be a dark horse this year keep an eye on him

- VANTEL

Human nature to cheer for an underdog, I like that kid.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:11 PM ET
The winning and losing is secondary seeing some top players are playing in different leagues. They are learning how to play the game right and against skilled men that are close to NHL talent.

Palmu will be a dark horse this year keep an eye on him

IMO Lind is a long shot . At least 2 years away

- VANTEL

As I mentioned, the article about Lind showed him how little prepared for pro hockey he was, not fast enough, not strong enough, not fit enough. Takes time to develop most kids.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 3 @ 12:12 PM ET
As I mentioned, the article about Lind showed him how little prepared for pro hockey he was, not fast enough, not strong enough, not fit enough. Takes time to develop most kids.
- LeftCoaster


You have to be a pretty special player to not have to go to the AHL to develop for less than 2 years anyway, imo.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:16 PM ET
As I mentioned, the article about Lind showed him how little prepared for pro hockey he was, not fast enough, not strong enough, not fit enough. Takes time to develop most kids.
- LeftCoaster

Isn't that the case for a lot of the "kids".

Isn't that part of the reason why Van took Tyler Madden over Jack Wise. Wise was a much better player in the USHL because he was in much better shape. Madden wasn't far behind in terms of talent but was much further behind in physical shape. Sound about right about what Brackett said?
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 3 @ 12:17 PM ET
Isn't that the case for a lot of the "kids".

Isn't that part of the reason why Van took Tyler Madden over Jack Wise. Wise was a much better player in the USHL because he was in much better shape. Madden wasn't far behind in terms of talent but was much further behind in physical shape. Sound about right about what Brackett said?

- manvanfan


I thought Brackett spoke about higher upside/ceiling with Madden or Wise?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:19 PM ET
As I mentioned, the article about Lind showed him how little prepared for pro hockey he was, not fast enough, not strong enough, not fit enough. Takes time to develop most kids.
- LeftCoaster


Sorry I didn't read it. I followed every game last year so I feel I know them better than most writers. Cory Hergott Ryan Biech and Cam Robinson are The guys I trust with facts about the Comets.

I watched all 82 games of the Canucks and every preseason game so I don't really need Daniel Wagner PITB to tell me how Canucks off season went on July 2.

Cole Lind last year played 6 games on the Comets had 1 assist and if I can remember 2 shots . He had no big hits and was basically invisible. He needs a lot of work


manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:19 PM ET
I thought Brackett spoke about higher upside/ceiling with Madden or Wise?
- Codes1087

I'll go listen BRB


Brackett "Part of it was the under development. Ability to continue to grow. Ceiling might be a bit higher."

Doesn't really go into specifics anymore about the differences between the two. Wise is listed at 5'10" 190 lbs.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:19 PM ET
Isn't that the case for a lot of the "kids".

Isn't that part of the reason why Van took Tyler Madden over Jack Wise. Wise was a much better player in the USHL because he was in much better shape. Madden wasn't far behind in terms of talent but was much further behind in physical shape. Sound about right about what Brackett said?

- manvanfan

Yes that's the case for most kids and no Brackett said they believed Madden played with a better engine and he has more upside. That's how I took it.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:21 PM ET
Sorry I didn't read it. I followed every game last year so I feel I know them better than most writers. Cory Hergott Ryan Biech and Cam Robinson are The guys I trust with facts about the Comets.

I watched all 82 games of the Canucks and every preseason game so I don't really need Daniel Wagner PITB to tell me how Canucks off season went on July 2.



- VANTEL

It's a Sportsnet article by IMAC. Perhaps you should read it

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-tragedy-pushing-forward/
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:23 PM ET
There isn't really anyone of value to move other than Sutter for his defensive game. For cowards that is.
- LeftCoaster

The point is he's put himself in a position where if someone plays well enough by TDL he can make moves
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:23 PM ET
Wow. Not sure what you guys wanted from free agency. We are still going to be a bad team.

I think the whole purpose was to add a bit of grit so that the young guys who come in dont get abused. They arent there to win games per se. They are 4th liners that serve a niche purpose until the kids are ready.

At that point, they will be jettisoned. I'm not really sure what the fuss is about. At least they will have a more competitive 4th line...no more Gaunce, no more Dowd, no more Chaput......and the tank continues. Isn't that what the majority of you want?

Or is crying and moaning the real fun of being a fan?

The term really doesn't matter. They have so much cap space and when the kids are ready to get paid, they'll just dump guys like Beagle or Poussel.....see Garrison, Jason and Prust, Brandon.....

- chompsey

This is more the case.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:24 PM ET
I thought Brackett spoke about higher upside/ceiling with Madden or Wise?
- Codes1087


He did say that . He said they thought Wise had plateaued
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:24 PM ET
Preaching to the choir . Who here wouldn't love to see Eriksson benched?
- VANTEL


THIS is my point. If Beagle was “replacing” Gagner I could see it. Upgrading the “grit” but sacrificing some scoring. Swapping one Vet for a different one who offers something different. Rousel for Eriksson? Absolutely. But the way it looks now, it’s Beagle for Gaudette...
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
The point is he's put himself in a position where if someone plays well enough by TDL he can make moves
- neem55

Like?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:27 PM ET
THIS is my point. If Beagle was “replacing” Gagner I could see it. Upgrading the “grit” but sacrificing some scoring. Swapping one Vet for a different one who offers something different. Rousel for Eriksson? Absolutely. But the way it looks now, it’s Beagle for Gaudette...
- 1970vintage

Ya it's almost as if they plan to make the kids earn it... what a crazy idea
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:27 PM ET
Yes that's the case for most kids and no Brackett said they believed Madden played with a better engine and he has more upside. That's how I took it.
- LeftCoaster

from Botch and the province article

Both, by the way, are a long, long way from the NHL. Madden is smart and fast and plays a game that isn’t dissimilar to Adam Gaudette. Like Gaudette did, Madden is going to Northeastern University. When the Canucks picked Gaudette the Canucks faced similar criticism.


“I do (see some comparison),” said Judd Brackett, the Canucks’ director of amateur scouting. “Something that always resonated with Adam was his hockey sense and also his drive. He had to work on his foot speed, but he was always involved and always determined. There’s a lot of that same determination in (Madden).”

But what about passing on Wise?

“For us, part of it was the underdeveloped part of Madden,” Brackett said. “And the ability to continue to grow and get stronger.

“That’s where the ceiling may be a bit higher.”




VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
THIS is my point. If Beagle was “replacing” Gagner I could see it. Upgrading the “grit” but sacrificing some scoring. Swapping one Vet for a different one who offers something different. Rousel for Eriksson? Absolutely. But the way it looks now, it’s Beagle for Gaudette...
- 1970vintage


Who were you hoping to replace Gagner with from the prospects?
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
Ya it's almost as if they plan to make the kids earn it... what a crazy idea
- neem55

You don't sign veterans to four year deals and then tell them "sorry, this kid beat you out of your spot". Contracts matter! Competition for jobs my ass.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:29 PM ET
Like?
- LeftCoaster

Anyone. If Granlund has 10 goals by TDL he can be dealt. Insert other name here, same scenario... except LE, were stuck with him. Baer could easily play his way into value, just has to say healthy. Sutter is the most likely, i agree he has value but it's definitely possible we have a overachiever to deal.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:30 PM ET
from Botch and the province article
- manvanfan



There was an actual Brackett interview with SN650 that Brackett said they thought Wise had plateaued . It was about an hour after the draft.
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