Ok skinner trade if no Sprong

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- stowerkraut

I would trade Skinner for Sprong in a heartbeat.

Yeah I mean its all about the cap space. I'm really good with this move right now, but if we piss away the cap space on like Johnson and a Kunitz overpayment I'll be pretty pissed about it.

Sign Sheahan, give Oleksiak a bridge contract at around $1.5 million, and put that $6 or so mil of remaining cap space to good use by either signing JVR or low balling Green and bringing back Kunitz on a vet minimum.
- Victoro311

I can dig it

not that I'm upset with this trade at all but I saw a valid point made somewhere earlier on Twitter: The NHL has to review and approve all trades and they have to be "hockey trades" and can't circumvent the salary cap. That being said trading Sheary+Hunwick for a 4th round pick is walking the line of both requirements. Again, I aint mad, just thinking about it realistically....glad the NHL approved!

It's a good trade for both sides. Buffalo gets two serviceable players without the bidding war of free agency. Sheary will fit in nicely there. Pittsburgh clears $5M+ of dead weight. Sheary was always going to be the odd man out.

Offseason Plan:
1. Sign Anthony Duclair. A good and likely cheaper option to bring in. He has a ton of speed and is young enough that he offers plenty of upside.
2. Find a 5th dman with top 4 upside. Penguins cannot afford to put all of their eggs in Kris Letang's basket. I hope he rebounds and I think he will, but if he doesn't, we cannot afford to play him as much as we normally do. Getting a dman who can play in that bottom pairing but jump into a top 4 role with top 4 minutes is ideal.
3. Bring back Oleksiak. I was surprised by him this season. He was a decent add by GMJR. Keep him as your number 6.
4. Get Riley Sheahan to take a paycut or move on. I am surprised Sheahan is considering us. I figured he'd want to move on to a team where he could play 3rd line. Teddy Blueger is a fine replacement.

Opening night roster:

Jake-Crosby-Sprong
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Hagelin-Brassard-Hornqvist
Duclair-Blueger-AstonReese

Letang-Dumoulin
Maatta-Schultz
#5-Oleksiak

Murray
Backup (Would prefer it is not Jarry)

By signing Duclair, if he gives you a good year, you have an easy replacement for Hagelin on line 3 next year. I really like Aston-Reese so I hope he has an opening night spot.

I would trade Skinner for Sprong in a heartbeat.
- Murphy_Dump

I wouldn't. Skinner is a UFA next season isnt he? Trading top prospects for guys who could just walk away next year is a risky move the penguins don't need to take.

not that I'm upset with this trade at all but I saw a valid point made somewhere earlier on Twitter: The NHL has to review and approve all trades and they have to be "hockey trades" and can't circumvent the salary cap. That being said trading Sheary+Hunwick for a 4th round pick is walking the line of both requirements. Again, I aint mad, just thinking about it realistically....glad the NHL approved!
- RuutuRock’emLikeU2#37

Guys get traded to dump contracts all the time. I don't think this was any danger of getting vetoed. It definitely wasn't circumventing the cap.

I wouldn't. Skinner is a UFA next season isnt he? Trading top prospects for guys who could just walk away next year is a risky move the penguins don't need to take.
- SuperHenderson13

Having this same talk in my Sixers circles right now regarding Markelle Fultz and Kawhi Leonard. You just can't make those kinds of trades.

I wouldn't. Skinner is a UFA next season isnt he? Trading top prospects for guys who could just walk away next year is a risky move the penguins don't need to take.
- SuperHenderson13

Try not to fall off the Pens hype train, Sprong is only a top prospect because we have a dearth of prospects at the moment, he's probably not in the Top 20 prospects in his age group in the NHL, he hasn't done ANYTHING yet.

Simon and ZAR made it to the NHL before he did.

The goal is to win as many cups with Sid and Geno then you trade potential for proven commodity

Having this same talk in my Sixers circles right now regarding Markelle Fultz and Kawhi Leonard. You just can't make those kinds of trades.
- Victoro311

Yea I agree, same thing in the NBA. Why trade the farm for a guy who will likely be around next year in free agency? Our roster is not desperate enough to trade for him now. If you really love him, just wait until next year to sign him haha.

I wouldn't. Skinner is a UFA next season isnt he? Trading top prospects for guys who could just walk away next year is a risky move the penguins don't need to take.
- SuperHenderson13

The flip side is how effective how quickly will Sprong become at the NHL level. Crosby/Malkin have 3/4 years left at elite level before the age curve catches up to them. Thats about how long the Pens cup window is open til a rebuild is necessary. Sprong at 21 years old now will be "in his prime" towards the end of that 3/4 years....If he doesnt develop quickly he wont be useful to this core group of players anyways while Skinner can help win now.

The flip side is how effective how quickly will Sprong become at the NHL level. Crosby/Malkin have 3/4 years left at elite level before the age curve catches up to them. Thats about how long the Pens cup window is open til a rebuild is necessary. Sprong at 21 years old now will be "in his prime" towards the end of that 3/4 years....If he doesnt develop quickly he wont be useful to this core group of players anyways while Skinner can help win now.
- RuutuRock’emLikeU2#37

This.

And the fact that IF Sprong develops to his full potential in 2-3 yrs he's essentially the same player as Jeff Skinner.

No to DeHann/Duclair

Trade Brassard and Hagelin for Patches

Sign Tavares

Jake Sid Horny
Patches Geno Sprong
Rust Tavares Kessel
Kunitz Sheahan ZAR

Letang Dumo
Olli Schultz
Oleksiak Ruhwedel
- RoloTahmasee

Why would we need to move both Brassard and Hagelin for Patches. Brassard alone should get him, with MTL most likely adding. A top 6 Center is more valuable than a top 6 winger.

Why would we need to move both Brassard and Hagelin for Patches. Brassard alone should get him, with MTL most likely adding. A top 6 Center is more valuable than a top 6 winger.
- cap1681

Need to clear salary in the whole sign Tavares scenario.

Try not to fall off the Pens hype train, Sprong is only a top prospect because we have a dearth of prospects at the moment, he's probably not in the Top 20 prospects in his age group in the NHL, he hasn't done ANYTHING yet.

Simon and ZAR made it to the NHL before he did.

The goal is to win as many cups with Sid and Geno then you trade potential for proven commodity
- Murphy_Dump

Sprong was held up because of his CHL/AHL rule. Guys like Simon and ZAR were not held to the same rule. Pretty unfair comparison.

In terms of talent, sure Skinner is where Sprong will likely be in 2-3 years. However, you cannot just look at talent. Cap hit plays an important role. Skinner makes over $5M this year and will likely command over $6.5M next year when he gets a new contract. Can the Penguins really afford that long term? I tend to doubt it.

Sprong gives you a $750k cap hit for the next 2 years. After that, he will probably get around $3-4M is all goes right.

Sprong at $750k for 2 years > Skinner at $5.25M for 1 year and $6.5M+ after that.

The flip side is how effective how quickly will Sprong become at the NHL level. Crosby/Malkin have 3/4 years left at elite level before the age curve catches up to them. Thats about how long the Pens cup window is open til a rebuild is necessary. Sprong at 21 years old now will be "in his prime" towards the end of that 3/4 years....If he doesnt develop quickly he wont be useful to this core group of players anyways while Skinner can help win now.
- RuutuRock’emLikeU2#37

Technically, he should be entering his goal scoring prime right around now. His all around game won't be fully developed for another couple of years, but his most productive years in terms of pure offensive production could start as soon as this year and likely by next. Sprong is far enough along that if he's not a bust he will be an important contributor very, very soon. We don't need to worry about him not making an impact until Geno and Sid are too old.

This.

And the fact that IF Sprong develops to his full potential in 2-3 yrs he's essentially the same player as Jeff Skinner.
- Murphy_Dump

Sorry but I'd take 6 years of Sprong being a 15-20 goal scorer over Skinner for one year. Not to mention, look how quick Jake turned the corner when he got his chance.

I like Skinner but I'd rather go after one of the free agent LW's if it means keeping Sprong.

New blog.

Sheary will be fine in Buffalo because his playoff disappearances will mean nothing on a team that isn't likely to make the playoffs for the next decade.

Re-sign Sheahan/Oleksiak

Sign Duclair/de Haan/possibly Kunitz

No to JJ/Rick Nash/JVR

Ok skinner trade if no Sprong

Call it a summer

Jake - Sid - Horny
Rust - Geno - Sprong
Hags - Brass - Kessel
Kunitz - Sheahan - Duclair
ZAR - Simon

Letang - Dumo
Olli - Shultz
Oleksiak - de Haan
Ruhwedel
- stowerkraut

I don’t hate most of it but ZAR and and Simon are better players than Kunitz at this point and I would rather grow and develop them then plug old man Kunitz into the 4th line every night just out of some sense of nostalgia. Lines would be more balanced like this
Guentzel Crosby Sprong
Haglen Malkin Hornqvist
ZAR Brassard Kessel
Rust Sheahan Simon
Blueger
Hang onto that cap space for now until something good actually come along. Just because they have it doesn’t mean they have to spend it.

I would trade Skinner for Sprong in a heartbeat.
- Murphy_Dump

Yeah but I wouldn’t trade Sprong for Skinner in a million years.

Sprong was held up because of his CHL/AHL rule. Guys like Simon and ZAR were not held to the same rule. Pretty unfair comparison.

In terms of talent, sure Skinner is where Sprong will likely be in 2-3 years. However, you cannot just look at talent. Cap hit plays an important role. Skinner makes over $5M this year and will likely command over $6.5M next year when he gets a new contract. Can the Penguins really afford that long term? I tend to doubt it.

Sprong gives you a $750k cap hit for the next 2 years. After that, he will probably get around $3-4M is all goes right.

Sprong at $750k for 2 years > Skinner at $5.25M for 1 year and $6.5M+ after that.
- SuperHenderson13

Agreed and we still have Guentzel and Brassard to resign next offseason you add Skinner to that mix and it may be too much. If they could keep a lower cap hit contract for at least one more year so that we can possibly resign both players. We also do not know what else JR wants to do. I am also baffled by the Jack Johnson talk and I only see him being signed if he is a cheap cap hit. I do like JJ's numbers for blocked shots and hits and can add in that area, and he could also move the puck well on a 4-4 powerplay. Other than that I don't really feel he adds much. Ek's rumor on Kessel for Karlsson would be amazing for us, but sadly I don't see us trading Kessel. Even though I drool at the thought of trading Kessel for Karlsson then Letang for cap space and signing Van Riemsdyk. Overall though I agree with the majority. JJ if he is cheap only, but hopefully someone else. Also no to trading the farm for another big name so we can save some cap space and use our money for free agents which we could get without giving something up. I would rather us go after Van Riemsdyk, Neal, Nash, Grabner, Vanek. Preferably 2 of the 3 if we have the cap space.

i hope we get old Jacky boy.

not that I'm upset with this trade at all but I saw a valid point made somewhere earlier on Twitter: The NHL has to review and approve all trades and they have to be "hockey trades" and can't circumvent the salary cap. That being said trading Sheary+Hunwick for a 4th round pick is walking the line of both requirements. Again, I aint mad, just thinking about it realistically....glad the NHL approved!
- RuutuRock’emLikeU2#37

If the NHL approved that Orpik deal then anything goes lol