Wait is this really a thing?

Like not joking someone is legit saying Murray got a raw deal?
- Stripes77

Oh my god, I think I and maybe 1 or 2 other people said it literally right after he got fired and none of us has said anything since and a few people took it and ran with it.

poop's getting real old.

So can misapplied numbers.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
- Wetbandit1

They can, but not one human can watch 31 NHL teams and pay attention to every player there is.

Everyone uses stats.

Using basic counting stats is more misleading than just about anything else. And I’m sure I still quote them all the time

Idk about that
Him & Sbroads seem to pick & choose which Analytics stats to use,
and which they don’t care about
- jdfitz77

Sure. I enjoy the spirit of debate, though.

I agree with you too; once we start winning, it's gonna be a lot more fun around here. I started lurking in 2014, and didn't make an account til 2016, so I would like to see this place in good times. I have faith for this year

Sure. I enjoy the spirit of debate, though.

I agree with you too; once we start winning, it's gonna be a lot more fun around here. I started lurking in 2014, and didn't make an account til 2016, so I would like to see this place in good times. I have faith for this year
- jcragcrumple

I lurked since like 2009 before I made an account.

There were never any good times. Don't let them fool you.

They can, but not one human can watch 31 NHL teams and pay attention to every player there is.

Everyone uses stats.

Using basic counting stats is more misleading than just about anything else. And I’m sure I still quote them all the time
- sbroads24

Of course not.

I still don't think the numbers are really worth a damn, yet. We need more/better tracking, not this 14 games tracked bullpoop. The problem is it's an almost incomprehensibly huge amount of data to track everything from every game for every player. And on top of that is there's no central database, so everyone is working with different numbers to begin with. There are massive holes in our understanding of what the data we have means. Almost none of it provides context. Partly because it can't, because no one knows what the team's strategy is. Is a team a dump and chase team? Which would necessarily lead to less controlled entries. Is a team more apt to cycle, play a true possession game waiting for better opportunities instead of just throwing it at the net? That would likely lead to lower Corsi and Fenwick numbers than the norm and possibly an artificially inflated PDO.

I lurked since like 2009 before I made an account.

There were never any good times. Don't let them fool you.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I believe it

I believe it
- jcragcrumple

Yeah, he's not wrong, why do you think Olli is still going strong?

of course not
I still dont think the numbers are really worth a damn
yet

We need more better tracking
not this 14 games tracked bullpoop
the problem is
its an almost incomprehensibly huge amount of data
to track everything
from every game
for every player

and on top of that is theres no central database
so everyone is working with different numbers to begin with

There are massive holes in our understanding of what the data
we have means
Almost none of it provides context
Partly
because it cant
because no one knows what the team's strategy is

Is a team a dump and chase team?
Which would necessarily lead to less controlled entries
Is a team more apt to cycle
play a true possession game waiting for better opportunities
instead of just throwing it at the net?
That would likely lead to lower Corsi
and Fenwick numbers
than the norm and possibly
an artificially inflated PDO.
- Wetbandit1

Edited so jdfitz can understand

Yeah, he's not wrong, why do you think Olli is still going strong?
- Wetbandit1

I’m cool with that too
Vrlamov is probably better
And idk of Bernier would sign here?
But I’d be cool with that too
- jdfitz77

Bernier is the herpes to any team he plays for. Don’t sign him

I believe it
- jcragcrumple

Bernier is the herpes to any team he plays for. Don’t sign him
- RafiDRW

I lurked since like 2009 before I made an account.

There were never any good times. Don't let them fool you.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Edited so jdfitz can understand
- BeadyEyedDouche

is this bad or good ?
- SABRES 89

Tyler Bozak wants $6 million, per. 😂

Tyler Bozak wants $6 million, per. 😂
- Powerslave

- homiedclown

What's that hot skank saying? She reminds me of Kaley Cuoco 😍

Tyler Bozak wants $6 million, per. 😂
- Powerslave

Wow lol

What happened to him?
- jdfitz77

People take breaks in the summer

Wow lol
- gerbe75pts

What's that hot skank saying? She reminds me of Kaley Cuoco 😍
- Powerslave

Looks like "all of me"

I was in Dallas a few weeks back... man, so hot and super humid.

I don't think I could hack it down there.

If you're looking for good BBQ though, check out Hard 8. Excellent Texas BBQ.
- BareMetal

Hard eight is incredible. I was in Plano for a meeting a few weeks ago and we went there one night.

Of course not.

I still don't think the numbers are really worth a damn, yet. We need more/better tracking, not this 14 games tracked bullpoop. The problem is it's an almost incomprehensibly huge amount of data to track everything from every game for every player. And on top of that is there's no central database, so everyone is working with different numbers to begin with. There are massive holes in our understanding of what the data we have means. Almost none of it provides context. Partly because it can't, because no one knows what the team's strategy is. Is a team a dump and chase team? Which would necessarily lead to less controlled entries. Is a team more apt to cycle, play a true possession game waiting for better opportunities instead of just throwing it at the net? That would likely lead to lower Corsi and Fenwick numbers than the norm and possibly an artificially inflated PDO.
- Wetbandit1

That’s up to the people using/reading them.

You’re kind of painting all stats with this broad brush that I don’t think is very fair.

The players we perceive as “good” are granted these excuses, but the players we are biased to say are bad are not.

For example you wouldn’t spend 1/10 of the time you do explaining away Girgensons stats as you do Risto’s.

People take breaks in the summer
- gerbe75pts

summer, lifetime


take your pick