How much will people be crying "bust" if Frost puts up less points than last year? Katchouk and Raddysh will both be moving on, and there aren't really any other sniping wingers coming up in the Sioux. I'm not saying they carried him, but he'll certainly be playing with lesser linemates.

Another point to make with Frost... by the time of the playoffs, Bill suggested Frost was losing steam or his durability was seeing the effects of a long(er) season. You have to attribute that as well as compare the OHL competition vs the nightly (and season long) competion against NHLers aka full grown men. Year after year, Hexy stresses this when considering a young player and how grueling a full-season can physically be. he also stresses his dislike for a 10 game trial and sending them back. It certainly would be exciting and cool to see Frost make the team, but IMO the odds are stacked highly against him when considering everything said.

What happens if he doesn’t light it up?
- Sinisalo4vr

hard to get hi if yo dont light up

This may be an unpopular opinion (perhaps not) but I much rather give a long look to NAK or Voroybov than consider Frost for a roster spot.

yeah that is what I believe, I think that is pretty obvious. I don't think I am to far off, maybe you could call the Flyers and ask? I am sure Hak is still taking your calls.

The point is you took my word (needs) and decided to twist it to maker it appear that i was saying frost has has to or else. For "NEEDS" to be that meaningful of a word in what I wrote, there would have to be some sort of stated or inferred consequence if he didn't gain the weight.

You did not answer the questions, you danced around them by saying the Flyers want every player to follow etc etc. Just what you do.

one more time for you, my opinion is the Flyers want him to add weight, about 10 pounds. While I could have used a different word than "needs" I am pretty sure most intelligent folk would know what I meant.
- wcorvette

Nothing was twisted. That's a lame and pathetic argument. You said he needs to add 8-10 lbs. That's a pretty self explanatory statement and the word need gives it pretty clear meaning. Most intelligent folks know what the word needs means. I answered the questions perfectly as well as stating that none of those statements mean that Frost needs to add weight. You were just trying to spin out of it and trying to direct me to a certain position. That entire spin you're offering is the only dancing going on.

This is it in a nutshell. Frost does not need to add 8-10 lbs. If he can without it affecting his skating or agility or quickness than it would be advantageous and beneficial.

This may be an unpopular opinion (perhaps not) but I much rather give a long look to NAK or Voroybov than consider Frost for a roster spot.
- arichardson22

I don't think it's out of line. Those players are older and have experience in pro hockey. I think it's pretty much a lock that Frost is going back to Juniors. Not impossible and you never know, but the odds are remote.

This may be an unpopular opinion (perhaps not) but I much rather give a long look to NAK or Voroybov than consider Frost for a roster spot.
- arichardson22

Porque no los dos?

Porque no los dos?
- VladDrag

Porque el Lehtera Y Weise. hijos de puta!!!

(First sentence I’ve written in Spanish in 6+ years)

How much will people be crying "bust" if Frost puts up less points than last year? Katchouk and Raddysh will both be moving on, and there aren't really any other sniping wingers coming up in the Sioux. I'm not saying they carried him, but he'll certainly be playing with lesser linemates.
- Coleman

Something he was used to doing while they were off playing for other teams

I don't think it's out of line. Those players are older and have experience in pro hockey. I think it's pretty much a lock that Frost is going back to Juniors. Not impossible and you never know, but the odds are remote.
- MJL

I hate to use this phrase or wording, but it’s almost like NAK “deserves” a look over Frost with the pro hockey experience under his belt. Plus, he showed all last year he’s an effective player at ES. Let him prove that he can do it at the NHL level.

Something he was used to doing while they were off playing for other teams
- YuenglingJagr

I hate to use this phrase or wording, but it’s almost like NAK “deserves” a look over Frost with the pro hockey experience under his belt. Plus, he showed all last year he’s an effective player at ES. Let him prove that he can do it at the NHL level.
- arichardson22

I have been thinking about it a lot. Depending on what we see at training camp, here is what I would want the lines to look like:

With a UFA center signed:

28-19-93
21-14-11
54-ufa-17
12-VEX-NAK

without signing a center:

28-14-11
54-19-93
12-21-17
40-VEX-NAK

*I do not expect to see Frost in the NHL next season*

I hate to use this phrase or wording, but it’s almost like NAK “deserves” a look over Frost with the pro hockey experience under his belt. Plus, he showed all last year he’s an effective player at ES. Let him prove that he can do it at the NHL level.
- arichardson22

There is definitely a different bench mark for players as far as making the team out of camp. We'd like to think it is a true open camp but it's really not. There is less risk with starting certain players on the Flyers over others. I think Frost could play as well as he is capable of playing in training camp and he'd still be sent back. It's just their philosophy and I don't know if he could do enough to get them to change that.

Nothing was twisted. That's a lame and pathetic argument. You said he needs to add 8-10 lbs. That's a pretty self explanatory statement and the word need gives it pretty clear meaning. Most intelligent folks know what the word needs means. I answered the questions perfectly as well as stating that none of those statements mean that Frost needs to add weight. You were just trying to spin out of it and trying to direct me to a certain position. That entire spin you're offering is the only dancing going on.

This is it in a nutshell. Frost does not need to add 8-10 lbs. If he can without it affecting his skating or agility or quickness than it would be advantageous and beneficial.
- MJL

you have to be kidding, are you really that simple? Or can you only read black and white.

While the word i used was "NEEDS" in no way was it said or inferred if he didn't he would be less of a player. He could be more of a player if he adds the right weight, you know stronger on the puck, better equipped to handle a full NHL season. Your answer to how much weight do Flyers want him to gain, if he can, is very close to mine. Just if you say it then your whole point is muted. It is my post and I know what I meant, feel free to take it ultra literally to fit your narrative, when your done with that feel free to proof read the rest of the thread, you seem to have the time for useless non-sense.

It must be the off-season

Something he was used to doing while they were off playing for other teams
- YuenglingJagr

I hear ya, and I'm hoping for the same, but a lot of the CHL vets and higher end NHL draftees won't be there next year, with the exceptions of Hayton and Sandin. I'm just saying that the landscape will be a lot different for the Greyhounds next year. Frost will be their go-to-guy from the start.

I hear ya, and I'm hoping for the same, but a lot of the CHL vets and higher end NHL draftees won't be there next year, with the exceptions of Hayton and Sandin. I'm just saying that the landscape will be a lot different for the Greyhounds next year. Frost will be their go-to-guy from the start.
- Coleman

and their coach and goalie...they were a stacked team. my point was that he wasn't riding them to success. he was a major reason for it. i wouldn't be surprised if he got traded tbh

Damn...Burrows got bought out. There goes my master plan of trading for him and buying him out

This may be an unpopular opinion (perhaps not) but I much rather give a long look to NAK or Voroybov than consider Frost for a roster spot.
- arichardson22

That's fine by me. But I think Frost should get the same fair chance to make the team as a 19 year old as Konecny did. Maybe he's ready, maybe he's not, but they should take a look at him in camp with an open mind.

Tampa just signed another $5m+ guy in JT Miller.

Maybe Hextall would be happy to take Coburn back if Yzerman wants to make space for a big deal.

you have to be kidding, are you really that simple? Or can you only read black and white.

While the word i used was "NEEDS" in no way was it said or inferred if he didn't he would be less of a player. He could be more of a player if he adds the right weight, you know stronger on the puck, better equipped to handle a full NHL season. Your answer to how much weight do Flyers want him to gain, if he can, is very close to mine. Just if you say it then your whole point is muted. It is my post and I know what I meant, feel free to take it ultra literally to fit your narrative, when your done with that feel free to proof read the rest of the thread, you seem to have the time for useless non-sense.

It must be the off-season
- wcorvette

I did not make a single statement on how much weight the Flyers want him to gain. I have no idea about that. The statement I made were a generalization based on my opinion of how the Flyers want all players to follow a physical fitness and nutrition program. All bent out of shape because I gave the opinion that he does not need to gain 8 to 10 lbs. His playing weight will be his playing weight. That simple. It's actually hysterical. Your ranting and raving is the only useless non sense. My point couldn't possibly be muted by any further discussion.

Tampa just signed another $5m+ guy in JT Miller.

Maybe Hextall would be happy to take Coburn back if Yzerman wants to make space for a big deal.
- Feanor

they have a lot of D contracts expiring in the next 2 seasons, I would assume their farm system has some real good D prospects, Stevie Y always comes up with something

I did not make a single statement on how much weight the Flyers want him to gain. I have no idea about that. The statement I made were a generalization based on my opinion of how the Flyers want all players to follow a physical fitness and nutrition program. All bent out of shape because I gave the opinion that he does not need to gain 8 to 10 lbs. His playing weight will be his playing weight. That simple. It's actually hysterical. My point couldn't possibly be muted by any further discussion.
- MJL

who is bent out of shape, I find you comical and entertaining. you were so excited to prove I was wrong for saying "HE NEEDS TO GAIN 8-10 pounds". Like a little kid at Christmas.

Here we go, what do you think the percentage is that someone in the Flyers organization has said to Frost to gain weight? I am guessing 100%. What percentage of posters on this site would say he should? Well even you get it. You tried to say i was wrong because I said "NEEDS", so you say "well he doesn't need to" but it be nice. What is the point? You have no point, you just wanted to be argumentative. Again you crack me up

Porque el Lehtera Y Weise. hijos de puta!!!

(First sentence I’ve written in Spanish in 6+ years)
- arichardson22

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who is bent out of shape, I find you comical and entertaining. you were so excited to prove I was wrong for saying "HE NEEDS TO GAIN 8-10 pounds". Like a little kid at Christmas.

Here we go, what do you think the percentage is that someone in the Flyers organization has said to Frost to gain weight? I am guessing 100%. What percentage of posters on this site would say he should? Well even you get it. You tried to say i was wrong because I said "NEEDS", so you say "well he doesn't need to" but it be nice. What is the point? You have no point, you just wanted to be argumentative. Again you crack me up
- wcorvette

Sure I have a point. My point is simple. He does not need to gain 8-10 lbs. You don't know what the percentage of people in the Flyers organization think, to that's irrelevant. What percentage of posters think he does is also irrelevant. Not you're making fallacy arguments to try and support your point. That's a failure. You definitely are bent out of shape or you wouldn't have made it into the big deal that you have. Your statement was a bad one. I pointed it out. End of story. Not a big deal. Time ot move on.

You only actually named one free agent.
- Feanor

Opps I forgot about the goalies. So Weise, Neuvirth, Elliott.. Lyubimov? Medvedev?

It's funny how Hextall's best FA signing was Bellemare who we left unprotected.