If we signed JVR and Nash(don’t want Nash want JVR) and had a team that looked something like this do you think we’d be competitive?

Kreider Zib Buch
JVR Chytil Zucc
Nash Hayes Andersson
Vesey Boo Fast

Skjei Pionk
Smith Shattenkirk
Staal Deangelo
- nyrangers9479

I expect UFA on one-year deals, maybe two years at most. Could see Grabner back. Maybe a run at Roussel as Brooks mentioned. Don't foresee them going after any of the big names.

What's interesting is that Elliotte Friedman said on the 31 Podcasts taped Saturday night that Kovy basically went to LA after the Rangers pursuit didn't materialize. Pretty good indication that he wanted New York but they didn't want him or didn't want him at the terms he desired.

Currently watching John Oliver, I now understand why Norway Pete is so weird.

I expect UFA on one-year deals, maybe two years at most. Could see Grabner back. Maybe a run at Roussel as Brooks mentioned. Don't foresee them going after any of the big names.

What's interesting is that Elliotte Friedman said on the 31 Podcasts taped Saturday night that Kovy basically went to LA after the Rangers pursuit didn't materialize. Pretty good indication that he wanted New York but they didn't want him or didn't want him at the terms he desired.
- airjan23

Makes sense, suck for 1 more year then try and start putting it back together. If that’s the plan though Zucc Nam Spooner should all be gone before the season.

Not sure if anyone else posted this yet but:
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Not sure if anyone else posted this yet but:
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- rangerdanger94

Makes sense. If I were him I would walk away for his family and himself.

Trading down requires a partner and as we saw from the draft, the only movement was late in the first round. So it’s possible they might have wanted to and were unable to find a match. The downgrade from a A to an A- factored in the trade, as I noted, agreeing with you that they overpaid.
- airjan23

Their draft let down was due to some they selected earlier than educated to expect, implying them not getting their money's worth in it. With few league wide draft deals made, only they know if they could have traded down to select anyone had they been available lower, but which was more likely so than not, based on some key others that fell lower.
But worse, after Round One, 3 picks beginning with "not the best" goalie available at #39 overall in Lindbom in Round Two, were very questionable position wise choices, if under a non-lengthy rebuild plan. This, while incurring a future hole at wing, in also selecting 6 d'men among 10 picks, (so why not Dobson with #9 if desperate on defense (???), along with only 3 wingers, all at RW, but with at least selecting Kravtsov. However, the last two RW's came at #132 and #216 in their final pick (???).
This draft was suppose to speed & further mainly their rebuild, as per last February's selloff to officially start it. But it fell short, & is why I grade it an overall "B", for not using their picks wisely after Round One.
Without these key next two weeks in both making worthy trades & becoming involved in a measurable means in free agency, both their rebuild & retool will be delayed further. The retool would be graded even lower if their current Pro roster remains too stagnant, since only a grade "A" retool's worth of necessary changes will allow this team a chance to compete for a 2019 postseason spot.

I expect UFA on one-year deals, maybe two years at most. Could see Grabner back. Maybe a run at Roussel as Brooks mentioned. Don't foresee them going after any of the big names.

What's interesting is that Elliotte Friedman said on the 31 Podcasts taped Saturday night that Kovy basically went to LA after the Rangers pursuit didn't materialize. Pretty good indication that he wanted New York but they didn't want him or didn't want him at the terms he desired.
- airjan23

yeah I don't see the Rangers in on any of the big ticket free agents

JVR is 29 years old, it makes no sense for the Rangers to go after him, or for him to want the Rangers

Rangers will be on the sidelines for all the major free agent news in the league the next few weeks, but I still expect some interesting trades

I’m late to conversation, but have to say: I think most of disappointment based on fact that we had soooo many picks and were really not used to this. I like the Kravtsov pick. I always defer to my son who’s played hockey his whole life. He did not like Wahlstrom!! My personal view is same as some others. Look at who he is playing with and against. Kravtsov is playing against men and had a great finish to his season. I feel good about him and the 2nd pick. Giving up the 2nd rounder seems a lot, but wasn’t that the pick we got from Devils along with Rykov? The goalie pick looks bad at first, but to listen to Gorton explain it, they felt he was best player available, and they do have a good track record developing goalies. It’s all about value down the road. Remember, trades are made all the time. Not all these kids will stay with team. What bothers me most is it’s hard to get excited this early with picks since I don’t see a lot of success previous picks ever coming into league

I’m late to conversation, but have to say: I think most of disappointment based on fact that we had soooo many picks and were really not used to this. I like the Kravtsov pick. I always defer to my son who’s played hockey his whole life. He did not like Wahlstrom!! My personal view is same as some others. Look at who he is playing with and against. Kravtsov is playing against men and had a great finish to his season. I feel good about him and the 2nd pick. Giving up the 2nd rounder seems a lot, but wasn’t that the pick we got from Devils along with Rykov? The goalie pick looks bad at first, but to listen to Gorton explain it, they felt he was best player available, and they do have a good track record developing goalies. It’s all about value down the road. Remember, trades are made all the time. Not all these kids will stay with team. What bothers me most is it’s hard to get excited this early with picks since I don’t see a lot of success previous picks ever coming into league
- junaka3

personally I didn't have a problem at all with using the 2nd rounder to trade up to 22nd

everybody points out that the Blues only gave up a 3rd to move too, but they moved to 25

we moved to 22nd, big difference, I really have no problem with it

as with all the picks, they just better be right

I’m late to conversation, but have to say: I think most of disappointment based on fact that we had soooo many picks and were really not used to this. I like the Kravtsov pick. I always defer to my son who’s played hockey his whole life. He did not like Wahlstrom!! My personal view is same as some others. Look at who he is playing with and against. Kravtsov is playing against men and had a great finish to his season. I feel good about him and the 2nd pick. Giving up the 2nd rounder seems a lot, but wasn’t that the pick we got from Devils along with Rykov? The goalie pick looks bad at first, but to listen to Gorton explain it, they felt he was best player available, and they do have a good track record developing goalies. It’s all about value down the road. Remember, trades are made all the time. Not all these kids will stay with team. What bothers me most is it’s hard to get excited this early with picks since I don’t see a lot of success previous picks ever coming into league
- junaka3

Most of these players won’t have a chance at impacting the NHL roster for 3-5 years, and who knows what our needs will be then? We have a surplus of defensive prospects right now but when these guys mature, Day could be a bust, Skjei could be traded for Draisatl, Hajek could develop to a 3rd pairing guy at best, Staal retires, etc. and then all of a sudden we’ll be thin.

At worst, these prospects can be traded if they truly develop to solid players.

A lot of us here always say they should draft the best available player instead of drafting by position need after the McIlrath fiasco but now that they do it with the goalie and potentially all these defensemen later in the draft, everyone’s pissed.

Most of these players won’t have a chance at impacting the NHL roster for 3-5 years, and who knows what our needs will be then? We have a surplus of defensive prospects right now but when these guys mature, Day could be a bust, Skjei could be traded for Draisatl, Hajek could develop to a 3rd pairing guy at best, Staal retires, etc. and then all of a sudden we’ll be thin.

At worst, these prospects can be traded if they truly develop to solid players.

A lot of us here always say they should draft the best available player instead of drafting by position need after the McIlrath fiasco but now that they do it with the goalie and potentially all these defensemen later in the draft, everyone’s pissed.
- rangerdanger94

What’s funny too is everyone is praising Isles and “genius Lou”, based on fact they basically took 3 players that any fan would’ve taken based on all the prospect reports.

personally I didn't have a problem at all with using the 2nd rounder to trade up to 22nd

everybody points out that the Blues only gave up a 3rd to move too, but they moved to 25

we moved to 22nd, big difference, I really have no problem with it

as with all the picks, they just better be right
- jimbro83

And there’s still the possibility that we sign Grabner again, which would mean we were able to move up AND got Rykov just for lending Grabs to Devils for a couple months.!!

Most of these players won’t have a chance at impacting the NHL roster for 3-5 years, and who knows what our needs will be then? We have a surplus of defensive prospects right now but when these guys mature, Day could be a bust, Skjei could be traded for Draisatl, Hajek could develop to a 3rd pairing guy at best, Staal retires, etc. and then all of a sudden we’ll be thin.

At worst, these prospects can be traded if they truly develop to solid players.

A lot of us here always say they should draft the best available player instead of drafting by position need after the McIlrath fiasco but now that they do it with the goalie and potentially all these defensemen later in the draft, everyone’s pissed.
- rangerdanger94

Staal and Smith contracts up in 3 years if we don’t get rid of sooner. It’s like lottery, the more ping pong balls you have the better the odds.

Staal and Smith contracts up in 3 years if we don’t get rid of sooner. It’s like lottery, the more ping pong balls you have the better the odds.
- junaka3

I think people are pissed we didn’t get any sexy forwards with top line potential after the first round but how many sexy forwards are there in round 3-7?

Most of these players won’t have a chance at impacting the NHL roster for 3-5 years, and who knows what our needs will be then? We have a surplus of defensive prospects right now but when these guys mature, Day could be a bust, Skjei could be traded for Draisatl, Hajek could develop to a 3rd pairing guy at best, Staal retires, etc. and then all of a sudden we’ll be thin.

At worst, these prospects can be traded if they truly develop to solid players.

A lot of us here always say they should draft the best available player instead of drafting by position need after the McIlrath fiasco but now that they do it with the goalie and potentially all these defensemen later in the draft, everyone’s pissed.
- rangerdanger94

Drafting D-man is smart, should they get a handful out of this draft, they can be moved. Nashville has been doing that for years. The problem, not with Lindbom as player or person, but because he was pick way before his rank. You could argue that after his u18's he's figured it out and is on his way to becoming a good goalie. Or you could argue he had 2 week period where he played out of his mind. We've seen that before too.

I think people are pissed we didn’t get any sexy forwards with top line potential after the first round but how many sexy forwards are there in round 3-7?
- rangerdanger94

I think the problem that I have is that the trade deadline purge was great, picked up some nice pieces, but it really only addressed the blueline (besides Howden)

and now they have a draft that also almost exclusively addresses the blueline

We all can look at the Rangers depth chart at wing for prospects, it's kinda hurtin'.

Gropp looks disappointing, Gettinger could be something, Ronning may become a winger

and right now it seems like the 4th best goalie in the prospect pipeline is a better prospect than all of our wings other than Kravtsov

What’s funny too is everyone is praising Isles and “genius Lou”, based on fact they basically took 3 players that any fan would’ve taken based on all the prospect reports.
- junaka3

The 3 players they got were gift wrapped for them. Wilde slipping to the 2nd round was surprising. Because while, he's very good, he's also very dumb.

I think the problem that I have is that the trade deadline purge was great, picked up some nice pieces, but it really only addressed the blueline (besides Howden)

and now they have a draft that also almost exclusively addresses the blueline

We all can look at the Rangers depth chart at wing for prospects, it's kinda hurtin'.

Gropp looks disappointing, Gettinger could be something, Ronning may become a winger

and right now it seems like the 4th best goalie in the prospect pipeline is a better prospect than all of our wings other than Kravtsov
- jimbro83

Pretty much nailed it. Drafting a ton of D-men is smart, especially the pick of Nico Gross. He has a ton of international experience and could be a nice depth player for the Rangers. But to only come away with Kravstov and Riley Hughes out of this draft was suprisingly odd.

I did some research last night and I gotta say it’s hard to have confidence in this draft based on the past with this scouting staff. If you look going back to 2000 I can’t beleive how inept it’s been. I never really paid attention to drafts up until now, but man they’ve had clunker after clunker in these drafts. Granted they didn’t have a number 1 pick a lot and the ones they did have, have been pretty good for the most part. But all you can do is sprinkle in a few others in different rds and that’s basicslly it. There success rate for all these picks is brutal at best for way to long. I’m surprised this isn’t brought up here more often tbh. And they haven’t had a Canadian kid make the team since Delzotto, and Staal before that. That a long time ago now. Duclair ok but he was traded and really hasnt shown what they probably thought he would when he was drafted. I just don’t understand the lack of Canadian players, it’s like they comepltely dismiss that whole area to get players.

This scouting staff may need an overhaul, the proof is in the pudding. Other teams I’d think blow them away with success in the draft. It’s been really bad for along time now

I did some research last night and I gotta say it’s hard to have confidence in this draft based on the past with this scouting staff. If you look going back to 2000 I can’t beleive how inept it’s been. I never really paid attention to drafts up until now, but man they’ve had clunker after clunker in these drafts. Granted they didn’t have a number 1 pick a lot and the ones they did have, have been pretty good for the most part. But all you can do is sprinkle in a few others in different rds and that’s basicslly it. There success rate for all these picks is brutal at best for way to long. I’m surprised this isn’t brought up here more often tbh. And they haven’t had a Canadian kid make the team since Delzotto, and Staal before that. That a long time ago now. Duclair ok but he was traded and really hasnt shown what they probably thought he would when he was drafted. I just don’t understand the lack of Canadian players, it’s like they comepltely dismiss that whole area to get players.

This scouting staff may need an overhaul, the proof is in the pudding. Other teams I’d think blow them away with success in the draft. It’s been really bad for along time now
- Slimtj100

Overrhaul and... Tank? (Just joking).

Overrhaul and... Tank? (Just joking).
- tomburton99

I will say guys like you bash the GMs relentlessly, but they’ve somehow made the team a contender yr in yr out with great trades and pickups, ie Girardi Zucc etc. I don’t think enough blame goes to the scouts
gorton can’t get out and see these guys, or Sather couldn’t either

Also dont forget, the two late first rounders, a second rounder and a third rounder were house money. The Rangers traded away 4 guys (3 expiring contracts) during tank mode and got great value in return, if just ONE of those picks turns out to be good you can say they flipped a pile of trash and got an amazing return.

Just another perspective

I think the problem that I have is that the trade deadline purge was great, picked up some nice pieces, but it really only addressed the blueline (besides Howden)

and now they have a draft that also almost exclusively addresses the blueline

We all can look at the Rangers depth chart at wing for prospects, it's kinda hurtin'.

Gropp looks disappointing, Gettinger could be something, Ronning may become a winger

and right now it seems like the 4th best goalie in the prospect pipeline is a better prospect than all of our wings other than Kravtsov
- jimbro83

Between Chytil, Andersson, Howden and now Kravtsov, the rangers have 4 pretty damn good forward prospects. Before this draft, I think we only really had 1 good defensive prospect in Hejek and 1 goalie prospect in Shestyorkin but then we have 3 really good defensemen and 2 quality goalie prospects to go along with our 4 forwards.

Also another thing to consider is that defensemen usually take a year or 2 longer to develop. If the rangers truly have a 5 year plan mapped out, The rangers could go forward heavy the next 1-2 drafts and those younger forwards could mature into NHL players around the same time these defensemen do.

I will say guys like you bash the GMs relentlessly, but they’ve somehow made the team a contender yr in yr out with great trades and pickups, ie Girardi Zucc etc. I don’t think enough blame goes to the scouts
gorton can’t get out and see these guys, or Sather couldn’t either
- Slimtj100

Stop with your rational arguments.

Stop with your rational arguments.
- JRR1285

Someone has to

We all say Hank Hank Hank...and that he was a 7th rder and all, even I used that to defend them, but you can’t have dud after dud in the drafts. He’s basicalky saved the franchise the last 10-15 years. Eventually it’s going to come back and bite you in the ass

If they don’t hit on Chytil Andersson and the 3 this year, there in for some serious trouble