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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: On Rasmus Dahlin and the first round of the 2018 NHL Draft.
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Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:17 PM ET
Late reply but...glad it showed Bergevin isn't looking for a quick fix. Good chance be won't be there to see Kotk in Mtl which tells me it likely was the right pick. Gotta bite the bullet at some point. Kotk and Poehling gives the Habs a solid C pipeline for the future
- Takemedrunkimhome

nice take
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:20 PM ET
Yes I would draft the forward Defenseman take longer to develop in my opinion when a forward could be ready on year 2 AHL or NHL


I can almost guarantee that there are probably more forward in the second round two years ago in the NHL then defenseman picked

- gerbe75pts


D men taking longer to develope is a 1980s mentality and it’s just not true.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:20 PM ET
i suspect JB has a deal or 2 in place to address wing/scoring and goaltender but is waiting until after July 1st. very little chance we'll be getting draft picks back, so no need to swing those deals now.

Love beefing up the D pool. Our D depth has sucked so bad.

- LandlordTom


I’m guessing we probably are going to go after Carter Hutton
mattmoulson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WNY, NY
Joined: 06.14.2015

Jun 23 @ 12:20 PM ET
I’m guessing we probably are going to go after Carter Hutton
- gerbe75pts


Be nice if we could get him for 3/$10 mil
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:20 PM ET
i suspect JB has a deal or 2 in place to address wing/scoring and goaltender but is waiting until after July 1st. very little chance we'll be getting draft picks back, so no need to swing those deals now.

Love beefing up the D pool. Our D depth has sucked so bad.

- LandlordTom

I think defense is overrated. Forwards make the Defenceman look good. Should’ve went forward. Especially after we got Dahlin.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:22 PM ET
I think defense is overrated. Forwards make the Defenceman look good. Should’ve went forward. Especially after we got Dahlin.
- Hatboro_Swords

You have this backwards.

Defense that can’t get the puck out of the back end make your forwards look worse.
gcomella34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Endicott, NY
Joined: 03.03.2015

Jun 23 @ 12:23 PM ET
Yes I would draft the forward Defenseman take longer to develop in my opinion when a forward could be ready on year 2 AHL or NHL


I can almost guarantee that there are probably more forward in the second round two years ago in the NHL then defenseman picked

- gerbe75pts



I think the logic that you just stated is why you draft the D first. They take longer to develop, our depth there is lacking. You can get W's when you're closer.

Regardless, BPA is always the best strategy. Drafting for need never works, that has been Buffalo's strategy for almost a full decade.
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:23 PM ET
Wise-guy to the Hawks.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 23 @ 12:23 PM ET
Samuelson ranked 31. Basically a first rounder
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:24 PM ET
You have this backwards.

Defense that can’t get the puck out of the back end make your forwards look worse.

- ImThatGuy

No way. Every team in the Conference Finals were there because of their forwards. They could’ve had the Sabres Defence and would‘ve still been good.
ChicmjBuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 23 @ 12:24 PM ET
So far, only 1 or 2 Goalies have gone...The first one looked like Gruhl from Minions...could probalbly make a save with the nose....
gcomella34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Endicott, NY
Joined: 03.03.2015

Jun 23 @ 12:24 PM ET
No way. Every team in the Conference Finals were there because of their forwards. They could’ve had the Sabres Defence and would‘ve still been good.
- Hatboro_Swords



What about the year before?
gcomella34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Endicott, NY
Joined: 03.03.2015

Jun 23 @ 12:25 PM ET
Samuelson ranked 31. Basically a first rounder
- jcragcrumple


But they used a pick that was valued as a second in the third so the value kind of evens out.
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:27 PM ET
What about the year before?
- gcomella34

Nashville, sure. They’re the exception to the rule. At the end of the day they still lost because the other team had better forwards. Just like this year.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 23 @ 12:28 PM ET
No way. Every team in the Conference Finals were there because of their forwards. They could’ve had the Sabres Defence and would‘ve still been good.
- Hatboro_Swords


Well on one hand, the 2015 Hawks won the cup with three great D, Oduya and half of a Kimmo Timonen.

But the Caps and then penguins had guys to feed the pucks to the forwards
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:28 PM ET
So far, only 1 or 2 Goalies have gone...The first one looked like Gruhl from Minions...could probalbly make a save with the nose....
- ChicmjBuffalo

Lol
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:28 PM ET
D men taking longer to develope is a 1980s mentality and it’s just not true.
- ImThatGuy


Actuall you should look up how long they take you would be surprised and gms understand that and try to trade for them later when they are developed

kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:30 PM ET
No way. Every team in the Conference Finals were there because of their forwards. They could’ve had the Sabres Defence and would‘ve still been good.
- Hatboro_Swords


Did you forget about Carlson and Orlov? How about Schmidt?
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:32 PM ET
Well on one hand, the 2015 Hawks won the cup with three great D, Oduya and half of a Kimmo Timonen.

But the Caps and then penguins had guys to feed the pucks to the forwards

- jcragcrumple

Sabres D needs to get better. It did with Dahlin. Samuelsson isn’t a lock to amount to anything. The forward they could’ve drafted wouldn’t have been either, but would like to at least try.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:32 PM ET
Wouldn’t surprise me If we claim Orpik
gcomella34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Endicott, NY
Joined: 03.03.2015

Jun 23 @ 12:34 PM ET
Wouldn’t surprise me If we claim Orpik
- gerbe75pts



I'd fall over. I don't think he fits the speed that JB is looking for. Unless my perception is off...
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jun 23 @ 12:35 PM ET
I guess we're not trading ROR for two 2nds
- jcragcrumple



Who wanted to trade him just for two 2nds?
sskkoo1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You are all Weirdos, NY
Joined: 06.06.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:35 PM ET
If we take Adam Mascherin it will be hilarious.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 23 @ 12:36 PM ET
[quote=Hatboro_Swords]

I like Botterill going BPA (well, his view of BPA). Darcy had to swing for the fences with Grigorenko and Girgensons because our centers sucked. Drafting for need leads to tunnel vision and reaches imo. AZ's pick last night was the epitome of that. Obviously way, way too soon to judge that move, but it looks like a hell of a reach right now
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 23 @ 12:36 PM ET
Who wanted to trade him just for two 2nds?
- Fattony1187


Sry, 2 seconds and an expiring contract
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