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eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
Who drives up the price? CAR or DET?
- Feds91Stammer

Yes
TheMessiah94
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.21.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
Grubauer is my #1 choice but Elliotte Friedman said on the radio that 10 teams have called on him. Not sure how serious they all were, but I expect his price to be higher than many have thought.

I'd take Anderson only if we gave up almost nothing give them Greiss, to offset Anderson's $4.75M cap hit, and something like a 3rd or 4th round pick. Having two years left on his deal is a perfect bridge to Sorokin, it's just a question of "how much does he have left in the tank?" I'm not sure if last year was just the product of playing for a dogpoop team or the beginning of the end for him. Too much risk/money for me to give up anything of even remotely-significant value. It's definitely not a crazy thought though and he'd be a good fall-back option if Grubauer's price shoots through the roof and they couldn't pry Lehner out of BUF.

- eichiefs9

I think he's a good goalie. I think the Sens sucking and also the situation with his wife's cancer was the cause of his bad season. Think he'd be a good fit for you. Not that I want that to happen. I honestly think Lehner sucks.... so please take him!
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 11:24 AM ET
It's entirely possible, but he's never played for a team with a shred of talent...ever.

I think there might be more there than meets the eye. That said, he's going to make too much money for there to be value in signing him.

- eichiefs9

Lehner has been considered below avg for all the goalie advanced metrics.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:24 AM ET
Yes
- eichiefs9


He may end up as the Rangers backup, seriously.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 22 @ 11:24 AM ET
gunna fit right in as the isles starter
- mrn22

Lou from yesterday: "Isles still gonna play with 3 'starting goalies'."
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:25 AM ET
He may end up as the Rangers backup, seriously.
- Pete V

He's gonna get way too much money. I can't see him taking a paycut from the $4M he was making this year. That would be an expensive backup.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:25 AM ET
Lehner has been considered below avg for all the goalie advanced metrics.
- Feds91Stammer

Not saying he's a lock to be some sort of undiscovered hidden talent, but I'm willing to give him a chance with a halfway decent team before I write him off.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:27 AM ET
Great blog Jan. I agree with you for the Rangers to first target Zadina for his creativity and sniper ability, and then Wahlstrom for his sniper ability. So the question is, will it be necessary to move up from the 9th pick to guarantee that one or the other will still be available then? For Zadina, I believe yes, and for Wahlstrom, possibly not. But is it worth it to waste an asset(s) of any type to move up from #9? I only would do so should Zadina be their actual first target, if his value hasn't fallen from a top 5 pick, to as low as a #9 on one source's mock draft mentioned on a blog of your's earlier this week.
But generally speaking, after Buffalo selects Dahlin as #1 overall, the question of moving up from #9 will depend on teams drafting from 2nd to 6th or even 7th, as to whether those teams will be doing so for either the best player available, or to first fill their own critical position need. That's why a trade to move up from #9 may not be in the cards until after the first two to four picks are selected. But the drawback is that Zadina could be gone by after pick #5 as was originally expected, prior to the Combine held in Buffalo. If so, I would shift instead to targeting Tkachuk in whatever means necessary.
In addition, under their rebuild/retool mode, it makes no sense to trade Skjei or Hayes, without knowing they can be replaced with the same in some means. If they want to include alone picks #'s 26 &/or 28, or those up to their 48th to either move up in Round One, or acquire a significant current young player, then if it will fill a huge need, they may just have to do so.

- RangerSaver
you lost me after great blog jan
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
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Sounds like the Oilers are still aggressively shopping their 10th overall pick in an effort to find some blue-line help.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jun 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
I used to follow so many of the hockey stats nerds but man they are all SJWs. Had to unfollow a bunch of them.
- Feds91Stammer


Single Jewish Women???
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
He's gonna get way too much money. I can't see him taking a paycut from the $4M he was making this year. That would be an expensive backup.
- eichiefs9


We just don't agree on how much money he gets. I think most of the league will think he is bum that just got poopcanned by the Sabres, and will offer him $1.5-2 million a year as a backup on a prove it contract. And the Rangers are a good fit because they have some money to pay him on a short term deal, and he can play 30 or some games there.

And he will be with a coach that resurrects keepers.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
Oh wow, they didn't give him a qualifying offer so he might be a UFA July 1st. I didn't see that, good call.



- eichiefs9

Buffalo still tankin
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jun 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
He's gonna get way too much money. I can't see him taking a paycut from the $4M he was making this year. That would be an expensive backup.
- eichiefs9


Not in Dallas.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:29 AM ET
We just don't agree on how much money he gets. I think most of the league will think he is bum that just got poopcanned by the Sabres, and will offer him $1.5-2 million a year as a backup on a prove it contract. And the Rangers are a good fit because they have some money to pay him on a short term deal, and he can play 30 or some games there.
- Pete V

I'm not digging my heels in on that one, you may be entirely right. I just feel like it's rare that you see guys take a significant pay cut like that unless they're like a 37 year old vet coming off a long-term deal. But it's wholly possible that he does lose some money, I really have no idea.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:29 AM ET
Not in Dallas.
- Tonybere

tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:30 AM ET



Didn't Lehner get flat-out released yesterday?

- Pete V

Yeah. Buffalo didn't qualify him.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:30 AM ET
I'm not digging my heels in on that one, you may be entirely right. I just feel like it's rare that you see guys take a significant pay cut like that unless they're like a 37 year old vet coming off a long-term deal. But it's wholly possible that he does lose some money, I really have no idea.
- eichiefs9


I will be the simple law of supply and demand. You may be right. Or I may be right. We will know soon enough.

Edit: The more I think about it Chiefs, I really kind of think that the Rangers are the perfect spot for him on a 1-2 year deal.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 22 @ 11:31 AM ET
Single Jewish Women???
- Tonybere

(not for Jan)


RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:31 AM ET
An interesting piece of news by Dreger was that the league may be requiring that goalie's chest/arm protectors be "anatomically proportionate" to the goalie's body. Depending on how much proportionate will change the looks of some goalies difference between their bare chest size, and how huge they looked wearing them through last season under their over goalie sized jerseys, like a Matt Murray or an Anders Nilsson to name two.
However, the density of the chest, shoulder floaters, and arm portion's "blocks" is still necessary to protect the goalies from the force, rise, and how fast pucks are released by the hard shooters in the game today, with the lightest of feather weight forward sticks ever used. They only should not be making the goalie look wider in size always, and especially taller in size when going down in the butterfly position.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:32 AM ET
I used to follow so many of the hockey stats nerds but man they are all SJWs. Had to unfollow a bunch of them.
- Feds91Stammer



Corsi is a social construct Feds.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:33 AM ET
An interesting piece of news by Dreger was that the league may be requiring that goalie's chest/arm protectors be "anatomically proportionate" to the goalie's body. Depending on how much proportionate will change the looks of some goalies difference between their bare chest size, and how huge they looked wearing them through last season under their over goalie sized jerseys, like a Matt Murray or an Anders Nilsson to name two.
However, the density of the chest, shoulder floaters, and arm portion's "blocks" is still necessary to protect the goalies from the force, rise, and how fast pucks are released by the hard shooters in the game today, with the lightest of feather weight forward sticks ever used. They only should not be making the goalie look wider in size always, and especially taller in size when going down in the butterfly position.

- RangerSaver

Just. Copy. And. Paste. The. Tweet. Or. Link.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jun 22 @ 11:34 AM ET
An interesting piece of news by Dreger was that the league may be requiring that goalie's chest/arm protectors be "anatomically proportionate" to the goalie's body. Depending on how much proportionate will change the looks of some goalies difference between their bare chest size, and how huge they looked wearing them through last season under their over goalie sized jerseys, like a Matt Murray or an Anders Nilsson to name two.
However, the density of the chest, shoulder floaters, and arm portion's "blocks" is still necessary to protect the goalies from the force, rise, and how fast pucks are released by the hard shooters in the game today, with the lightest of feather weight forward sticks ever used. They only should not be making the goalie look wider in size always, and especially taller in size when going down in the butterfly position.

- RangerSaver


Sounds like the equipment we had when I played in net. The chest protector was approximately 35% of your chest area!! And made from nothing but cotton.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:34 AM ET
Just. Copy. And. Paste. The. Tweet. Or. Link.
- tomburton99



This is what I see every time

Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:34 AM ET
Just. Copy. And. Paste. The. Tweet. Or. Link.
- tomburton99


Can we all stop giving Saver so much sh*t?

Just don't read the post if you don't want to.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:36 AM ET
Sounds like the equipment we had when I played in net. The chest protector was approximately 35% of your chest area!! And made from nothing but cotton.
- Tonybere

That couldn't be safe.
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