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Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:12 AM ET
Scott Wheeler
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3h3 hours ago

Dubas says Leafs in chats with Marincin’s group: "He proved in the playoffs that he’s a very valuable member of any org. He has had a turbulent ride. He earned his confidence this year. Our whole organization was impressed. He’d be a valuable member going forward."

Can't wait to see Marincin lobbing nades off the half wall all season next year.

- gravyface


Still better than Polak.

At 26 years old, he's worth giving the chance as a bottom pairing guy.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:14 AM ET
Gardiner for 10th overall.

Do it Dubas. Do it.
royalgardens
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Colorado
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 22 @ 12:21 AM ET
Not sure why in the hell everyone in Toronto Maple Leaf Nation is so gung-ho about the club signing John Tavares!? That would be the most asinine thing possible and set this club way back and completely off course. This team needs defense which is not very easy to do. You need to draft and develop defensemen and it takes time. The Leafs will never win with the current group of offensively skilled only "defensemen". Why the quotes, because none of them have a damn clue how to play in their own end and are incredibly soft and weak.

Toronto needs to save all that money to sign Matthews, Nylander, Marner and just about anyone else not JVR or Bozak of the original core before Matthews came into the picture. But defense is the key! Get creative with the trade ideas or go back to the draft board and start developing a few more guys like Dermott.

One of the best things the Leafs can do to get things started is by trading Curtis McElhinney and Jake Gardiner and see who is available (Defenders). Might have to trade a couple Marlies kids on top of it...? Would like to hang onto a kid like Andreas Johnsson but the window for the Leafs is about to open within the next year or two as being legit contenders. They aren't at that level just yet.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 22 @ 12:24 AM ET
Not sure why in the hell everyone in Toronto Maple Leaf Nation is so gung-ho about the club signing John Tavares!? That would be the most asinine thing possible and set this club way back and completely off course. This team needs defense which is not very easy to do. You need to draft and develop defensemen and it takes time. The Leafs will never win with the current group of offensively skilled only "defensemen". Why the quotes, because none of them have a damn clue how to play in their own end and are incredibly soft and weak.

Toronto needs to save all that money to sign Matthews, Nylander, Marner and just about anyone else not JVR or Bozak of the original core before Matthews came into the picture. But defense is the key! Get creative with the trade ideas or go back to the draft board and start developing a few more guys like Dermott.

One of the best things the Leafs can do to get things started is by trading Curtis McElhinney and Jake Gardiner and see who is available (Defenders). Might have to trade a couple Marlies kids on top of it...? Would like to hang onto a kid like Andreas Johnsson but the window for the Leafs is about to open within the next year or two as being legit contenders. They aren't at that level just yet.

- royalgardens


Matthews, marner and 2 1sts for tanev
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:25 AM ET
Not sure why in the hell everyone in Toronto Maple Leaf Nation is so gung-ho about the club signing John Tavares!? That would be the most asinine thing possible and set this club way back and completely off course. This team needs defense which is not very easy to do. You need to draft and develop defensemen and it takes time. The Leafs will never win with the current group of offensively skilled only "defensemen". Why the quotes, because none of them have a damn clue how to play in their own end and are incredibly soft and weak.
- royalgardens


Because he's a great center in his prime that makes this team immediately better. He also makes it possible to trade Nylander for help on D without losing offensive production. Tavares makes average 3rd liners, top-six wingers who can score 20-30 goals. He elevates the production of everybody he has ever played with. It should be a no-brainer why the Leafs (and every other team that can afford him) want him.

Toronto needs to save all that money to sign Matthews, Nylander, Marner and just about anyone else not JVR or Bozak of the original core before Matthews came into the picture. But defense is the key! Get creative with the trade ideas or go back to the draft board and start developing a few more guys like Dermott.


You do realize the Leafs have 24.6 million in cap space right? And that includes Marleau and Martin who eat up 8.75 million and will be gone in the next year or two. There is still plenty of money to give to Matthews and Marner. Yes, Nylander probably needs to get moved but that brings in help on D which is part of the solution.

One of the best things the Leafs can do to get things started is by trading Curtis McElhinney and Jake Gardiner and see who is available (Defenders). Might have to trade a couple Marlies kids on top of it...? Would like to hang onto a kid like Andreas Johnsson but the window for the Leafs is about to open within the next year or two as being legit contenders. They aren't at that level just yet.


McElhinney won't get you anything. He's a 35 year old, career journeyman back-up who had a career year. Gardiner might get you something decent but nothing incredible.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 22 @ 12:27 AM ET
Because he's a great center in his prime that makes this team immediately better. He also makes it possible to trade Nylander for help on D without losing offensive production. Tavares makes average 3rd liners, top-six wingers who can score 20-30 goals. He elevates the production of everybody he has ever played with. It should be a no-brainer why the Leafs (and every other team that can afford him) want him.



There is still plenty of money to give to Matthews and Marner. Yes, Nylander probably needs to get moved but that brings in help on D which is part of the solution.



McElhinney won't get you anything. He's a 35 year old, career journeyman back-up who had a career year. Gardiner might get you something decent but nothing incredible.

- Unholy_Goalie


Good stuff ug
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 12:37 AM ET
Because he's a great center in his prime that makes this team immediately better. He also makes it possible to trade Nylander for help on D without losing offensive production. Tavares makes average 3rd liners, top-six wingers who can score 20-30 goals. He elevates the production of everybody he has ever played with. It should be a no-brainer why the Leafs (and every other team that can afford him) want him.



You do realize the Leafs have 24.6 million in cap space right? And that includes Marleau and Martin who eat up 8.75 million and will be gone in the next year or two. There is still plenty of money to give to Matthews and Marner. Yes, Nylander probably needs to get moved but that brings in help on D which is part of the solution.



McElhinney won't get you anything. He's a 35 year old, career journeyman back-up who had a career year. Gardiner might get you something decent but nothing incredible.

- Unholy_Goalie



I actually agree with UG!

Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:48 AM ET
I'd take Lehner if he becomes a UFA. Still young, could easily play the 25-30 games the Leafs desperately need from their back-up and probably comes really cheap too.

Grubauer is probably going to end up in Long Island but if he doesn't, I'd try to get him and give him 35 games. Imagine Andersen with some rest? That was a huge factor for Holtby this year who usually gets run into the ground by the end of the season. And considering what Andersen cost, Grubauer wouldn't cost you much either. The market on goalies is pretty soft.

Also, draft Veini Vehvilainen and acquire Kaapo Kahkonen from Minnesota.

Trade Sparks.
Bobs Your Uncle
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corsi and Fenwick my balls, ON
Joined: 11.12.2006

Jun 22 @ 1:55 AM ET
I'd take Lehner if he becomes a UFA. Still young, could easily play the 25-30 games the Leafs desperately need from their back-up and probably comes really cheap too.

Grubauer is probably going to end up in Long Island but if he doesn't, I'd try to get him and give him 35 games. Imagine Andersen with some rest? That was a huge factor for Holtby this year who usually gets run into the ground by the end of the season. And considering what Andersen cost, Grubauer wouldn't cost you much either. The market on goalies is pretty soft.

Also, draft Veini Vehvilainen and acquire Kaapo Kahkonen from Minnesota.

Trade Sparks.

- Unholy_Goalie

the leafs have 3 solid backups as it is, they don't need lehner.
sparks, mackelheiney and picktard, gtfo.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 22 @ 2:09 AM ET
the leafs have 3 solid backups as it is, they don't need lehner.
sparks, mackelheiney and picktard, gtfo.

- Bobs Your Uncle


Lehner is better than all of them. Lehner could be a starter. He played great for a bad Buffalo team in 2017. Sparks is unproven in the NHL outside of one unimpressive stint. Sparks was great in the AHL but Lehner did everything Sparks did and he did it 7 years ago as a 19/20 year old.

McElhinney is 35 and a career back-up with little to no future. Pickard is somewhere between McElhinney and Sparks in terms of talent and experience.
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:47 AM ET
I actually agree with UG!


- Steven_Seagull


Chubbs look out!!!

Oh, and yeah, I agree with most of that UG post too.
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:49 AM ET
I'd take Lehner if he becomes a UFA. Still young, could easily play the 25-30 games the Leafs desperately need from their back-up and probably comes really cheap too.

Grubauer is probably going to end up in Long Island but if he doesn't, I'd try to get him and give him 35 games. Imagine Andersen with some rest? That was a huge factor for Holtby this year who usually gets run into the ground by the end of the season. And considering what Andersen cost, Grubauer wouldn't cost you much either. The market on goalies is pretty soft.

Also, draft Veini Vehvilainen and acquire Kaapo Kahkonen from Minnesota.

Trade Sparks.

- Unholy_Goalie


Is Grubauer a UFA? I gotta wonder if he'd be willing to sign on with us, knowing he'd be a backup. It seems like he would be hoping this is his chance to find a starter position. Yes, he can always try and steal the starter job, but that can be tough, as he experienced this year.

If he did sign with us, I also wonder how much he'd want.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 22 @ 7:08 AM ET
Not sure why in the hell everyone in Toronto Maple Leaf Nation is so gung-ho about the club signing John Tavares!? That would be the most asinine thing possible and set this club way back and completely off course. This team needs defense which is not very easy to do. You need to draft and develop defensemen and it takes time. The Leafs will never win with the current group of offensively skilled only "defensemen". Why the quotes, because none of them have a damn clue how to play in their own end and are incredibly soft and weak.

Toronto needs to save all that money to sign Matthews, Nylander, Marner and just about anyone else not JVR or Bozak of the original core before Matthews came into the picture. But defense is the key! Get creative with the trade ideas or go back to the draft board and start developing a few more guys like Dermott.

One of the best things the Leafs can do to get things started is by trading Curtis McElhinney and Jake Gardiner and see who is available (Defenders). Might have to trade a couple Marlies kids on top of it...? Would like to hang onto a kid like Andreas Johnsson but the window for the Leafs is about to open within the next year or two as being legit contenders. They aren't at that level just yet.

- royalgardens


Signing elite talent is asinine ?


burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 22 @ 7:11 AM ET
Lehner is better than all of them. Lehner could be a starter. He played great for a bad Buffalo team in 2017. Sparks is unproven in the NHL outside of one unimpressive stint. Sparks was great in the AHL but Lehner did everything Sparks did and he did it 7 years ago as a 19/20 year old.

McElhinney is 35 and a career back-up with little to no future. Pickard is somewhere between McElhinney and Sparks in terms of talent and experience.

- Unholy_Goalie



Lehner is brutal and a jackass. Want nothing to do with that.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Learn hockey, idiot., ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jun 22 @ 7:34 AM ET
Everything you wrote and the fact your name is a great Flyer, made me giggle.
- Glak18


Zezel just proved that inside every Flyer is a Leaf trying to get out.
matt1337
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 925K. Talented player. (Lehtonen) Santo_44, ON
Joined: 09.28.2010

Jun 22 @ 7:36 AM ET
Get ready to watch the leafs trade down
Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jun 22 @ 7:38 AM ET
I actually agree with UG!


- Steven_Seagull




Same here....
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 22 @ 8:14 AM ET
What a bunch of UG followers you all are!
Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jun 22 @ 8:21 AM ET
What a bunch of UG followers you all are!
- Symba007

Hockey_Reverend
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jun 22 @ 8:23 AM ET
Get ready to watch the leafs trade down
- matt1337


Sounds good. If you aren't in a high spot might as well get quantity...

If Martin Marincin gets ice time on the big club this year I will immediately start a 'fire Dubas' petition...

Can't wait till tonight! Going bass fishing followed by watching the draft!!!!!
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Jun 22 @ 8:29 AM ET
I'd take Lehner if he becomes a UFA. Still young, could easily play the 25-30 games the Leafs desperately need from their back-up and probably comes really cheap too.

Grubauer is probably going to end up in Long Island but if he doesn't, I'd try to get him and give him 35 games. Imagine Andersen with some rest? That was a huge factor for Holtby this year who usually gets run into the ground by the end of the season. And considering what Andersen cost, Grubauer wouldn't cost you much either. The market on goalies is pretty soft.

Also, draft Veini Vehvilainen and acquire Kaapo Kahkonen from Minnesota.

Trade Sparks.

- Unholy_Goalie




Hummm think of how he plays in October after resting most of the summer.

But I get where you are going with that statement.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Jun 22 @ 8:33 AM ET
Sounds good. If you aren't in a high spot might as well get quantity...

If Martin Marincin gets ice time on the big club this year I will immediately start a 'fire Dubas' petition...

Can't wait till tonight! Going bass fishing followed by watching the draft!!!!!

- Hockey_Reverend



I'll be on a plane and will miss all of it. Man I hope they have internet at the AirBnB I rented.
Hockey_Reverend
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jun 22 @ 8:35 AM ET
Hummm think of how he plays in October after resting most of the summer.

But I get where you are going with that statement.

- zazzle


Like Eddy the Eagle in the preseason!

I remember when the Leafs got Eddy. In the preseason his first year he was total crap. Let in tons of goals and looked like he could care less... then the season started and he 'turned the switch on'... love Eddy 'I look like an Alcoholic' Balfour

I think Andersen just starts slow and works his way into the season. But yes, last year he was playing too much. WHy Babcock didn't play McBackup a little more I don't know and that was a mistake imo
Hockey_Reverend
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jun 22 @ 8:44 AM ET
I'll be on a plane and will miss all of it. Man I hope they have internet at the AirBnB I rented.
- zazzle


Business or pleasure?
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Jun 22 @ 8:48 AM ET
Business or pleasure?
- Hockey_Reverend



On a family vacation. The last one we had was a decade ago.
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