I'm not comparing Gio to Slavin. Of course Gio is better. But Slavin still has a better all around game that a coach would be comfortable using in all situations than Hamilton.
- Hunkulese

Yeah Gio is obviously better, but Slavin can easily play 25 minutes per night against any opponent and you can be comfortable with him there.

No, he's not dynamic offensively, but he's exceptionally good at breaking up plays in transition and shutting down opponents. Very rarely makes a mistake.

If you read the whole thread I'm not trolling. I started by telling Bingo (the Canes guy) his value was off in Carolina's favour and next pointed out Bergevin makes poop moves...and then Flames fans started throwing rocks despite me pointing out how Bergevin makes poop moves so I pointed out the glass house they live in. That's all. Bergevin is poop. So is Treliving. The two are not mutually exclusive
- Takemedrunkimhome

So would you say that Tre is as bad as Bergevin?

Do you think he could get you guys a blogger on Hockeybuzz?
- DuranDuran

Man, I've offered a few times over the years. Since Matt left it's been a joke.

"We never see any Canes fans here!" Well, you never have any Canes content, so why would they come?

How's your tender situation again? More whataboutism from you shows how bad your arguments are. If Bergevin gets hit by a truck tomorrow Treliving will still suck
- Takemedrunkimhome

So you really need us to talk about the poor moves Tre has made? Are looking for something to ease your mind about your pathetic club? Hoping to find someone more pathetic? You’re not going to find it here.
Every GM makes some moves that don’t turn out. Tre’s have not been so negatively franchise altering. He takes some risks and I would rather that than a GM that sits on his hands.
For those really questioning the Hamonic trade, everyone forgets that he is making less than $4 mil as a legit top 4 Dman signed for 3 more seasons and was 25 at the time. More teams were involved in trade talks. What do you think a top 4 D paid under $4 mil is worth? BT paid a fair price.

How's your tender situation again? More whataboutism from you shows how bad your arguments are. If Bergevin gets hit by a truck tomorrow Treliving will still suck
- Takemedrunkimhome

That is the dumbest arguement I may have ever read.

Yeah Gio is obviously better, but Slavin can easily play 25 minutes per night against any opponent and you can be comfortable with him there.

No, he's not dynamic offensively, but he's exceptionally good at breaking up plays in transition and shutting down opponents. Very rarely makes a mistake.
- BINGO!

But you wouldn’t put him out if you needed a goal with 1 min. Left in the game. That’s not an all around player.

So would you say that Tre is as bad as Bergevin?
- DuranDuran

Hard to argue much in favour of either. I've argued for Bergevin to be fired for years. At the same point he took over a team that finished 3rd last and built them to a team that made a conference championship - although realistically most of those players had nothing to do with him. He then built it back down to a bottom five club.
Having said that...what has Treliving accomplished going into his 5th draft and 5th season? Almost all of the Flames top players were already on the team other than Hamilton which has been discussed here and Tkachuk who they got for sucking and getting a top pick.

Bergevin can't find a C and insists over and over of making LW into a C and a C into an LW. Treliving can't find a goalie but otherwise hasn't done a whole lot of much other than ride what he started with.

If I were the owner I'd have fired Bergevin years ago and I'd probably have moved on from BT now or this coming year would be his last shot.

So yeah...in my eyes they both aren't good but I do have a particular disdain for Bergevin

That is the dumbest arguement I may have ever read.
- TandA4Flames

Pointing out that Bergevin's incompetence in no way takes away from or excuses Treliving's incompetence? Can't help you if following a logcial argument is a challenge for you

So you really need us to talk about the poor moves Tre has made? Are looking for something to ease your mind about your pathetic club? Hoping to find someone more pathetic? You’re not going to find it here.
Every GM makes some moves that don’t turn out. Tre’s have not been so negatively franchise altering. He takes some risks and I would rather that than a GM that sits on his hands.
For those really questioning the Hamonic trade, everyone forgets that he is making less than $4 mil as a legit top 4 Dman signed for 3 more seasons and was 25 at the time. More teams were involved in trade talks. What do you think a top 4 D paid under $4 mil is worth? BT paid a fair price.
- TandA4Flames

Taking risks is great if they're calculated. Bergevin has taken numerous risks - they were just poorly calculated. Making moves for the sake of making moves doesn't make you good or excuse the bad you do

But you wouldn’t put him out if you needed a goal with 1 min. Left in the game. That’s not an all around player.
- TandA4Flames

I wouldn't put a defenseman out there at all.....

Taking risks is great if they're calculated. Bergevin has taken numerous risks - they were just poorly calculated. Making moves for the sake of making moves doesn't make you good or excuse the bad you do
- Takemedrunkimhome

Mind elaborating on why you think Tre is a bad GM? Saying “he’s bad” over and over doesn’t seem to be getting through.

I get he’s made a couple mistakes, but his cap management has been excellent. Only unhappy with three transactions over five years myself: Brouwer, Hamonic and Byron.

Mind elaborating on why you think Tre is a bad GM? Saying “he’s bad” over and over doesn’t seem to be getting through.

I get he’s made a couple mistakes, but his cap management has been excellent. Only unhappy with three transactions over five years myself: Brouwer, Hamonic and Byron.
- fry

Thanks for Byron by the way...one of the few Bergevin moves that's been positive.

I have actually pointed out BT's moves I didn't like not the least of which is what's happened with the most valuable position on the ice in goalie. He's taken a number of swings and had a number of misses. You mentioned a couple other ones. Stone was an awful add.

But I guess what I'd say is before going down that line I'll ask in 4 seasons and 4 full off seasons - what has BT done other than sign a few good contracts with players he didn't acquire? Bergevin signed a few team friendly deals - they don't excuse the poop he has done. Is the team a contender today? Is it likely to be one this season? How far out do you honestly feel they are? My belief is a GM gets a five year plan that should be looked at after 3 years to see it's effectiveness. If you owned the Flames - do you look at BT and what he's done and approve?

If I'm the owner I look at some of the other turn arounds that started with less and have already passed the Flames and wonder if I bought a bail of false goods.

Thanks for Byron by the way...one of the few Bergevin moves that's been positive.

I have actually pointed out BT's moves I didn't like not the least of which is what's happened with the most valuable position on the ice in goalie. He's taken a number of swings and had a number of misses. You mentioned a couple other ones. Stone was an awful add.

But I guess what I'd say is before going down that line I'll ask in 4 seasons and 4 full off seasons - what has BT done other than sign a few good contracts with players he didn't acquire? Bergevin signed a few team friendly deals - they don't excuse the poop he has done. Is the team a contender today? Is it likely to be one this season? How far out do you honestly feel they are? My belief is a GM gets a five year plan that should be looked at after 3 years to see it's effectiveness. If you owned the Flames - do you look at BT and what he's done and approve?

If I'm the owner I look at some of the other turn arounds that started with less and have already passed the Flames and wonder if I bought a bail of false goods.
- Takemedrunkimhome

1st and foremost: the Dougie trade.
And you’re welcome for Byron.

The Frolik signing was great. Him and Backlund have great chemistry and form out the core of our shutdown line.

Baertchi for Andersson is highway robbery and Canucks fans don’t even know it yet.

The two thirds for the Kylington pick was great too. Martinson and Looke are low tier NHLers at best.

The Stone signing gets a lot of flack. We looked a lot worse when we had no one that could step into the top 4 the year prior though. Stone is paid a million more than he’s worth and people think it’s the worst thing in the world. He’s injury insurance that we’ll need if we ever make the playoffs.

Not that many quick turn arounds out there. Toronto has done great young players. Their fans love to ignore that they had to lose hard two extra full seasons for Kadri and Rielly. They’ve been terrible for longer than we have. Vancouver and Edmonton haven’t done poop. Which teams have turned it around vastly since the start of our rebuild in 2013?

We can all quit our bickering if this is true (which I pray it is).



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I'm not pointing fingers at either side. DH isn't worth the 2nd overall so that's not happening. There's no one on the current canes roster worth DH either, not even Hanifin and Lindholm so that's a no-go too.

As a flames fan, I couldn't care less about the rumours that DH is bad for the locker room. He seems to have fun and the fans (and seemingly the players) love him. I'm not trading him for anything less than another top RHD and more.

As for your points, despite your endless negativity about his defensive ability which is completely unsupported, he posts quality underlying and statistical numbers. He's not our best dman because we have an awesome captain who can do it all playing with him. That's like saying Malkin wouldn't be the top line centre on another team because he's not the best centre on the penguins.
- LittleBroDougie

I posted his underlying numbers on page 4 I believe. They were ignored. I assume because the canes fans couldn't argue he was over valued anymore lol.

We can all quit our bickering if this is true (which I pray it is).



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- LittleBroDougie

Tre also said they aren't shopping anyone. Which is more than likely an absolute lie.

I don't think they're looking to trade Dougie, but if the right price presents itself, you have to go for it.

Tre also said they aren't shopping anyone. Which is more than likely an absolute lie.

I don't think they're looking to trade Dougie, but if the right price presents itself, you have to go for it.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Semantics, define shopping versus exploring options. I guess Hoffman would be true meaning of shopping him but if he isnt shopping Brouwer, something is seriously wrong.
Bottom line, I expect a major trade tomorrow.

Semantics, define shopping versus exploring options. I guess Hoffman would be true meaning of shopping him but if he isnt shopping Brouwer, something is seriously wrong.
Bottom line, I expect a major trade tomorrow.
- Kevin R

I expect the opposite. Brouwer getting moved is near impossible with his NMC and poopty contract. I think the team really values TJ Brodie so he's going to be sticking around.

The one person I'm curious about is Sam Bennett. I don't think you get a whole lot for him, but they may try to move him to get something.

I wouldn't put a defenseman out there at all.....
- BINGO!

Well putting out Hamilton in that situation is smart. And shut down situations, you put out Hamilton and Gio.
Hamilton is a pretty good all around guy.

I posted his underlying numbers on page 4 I believe. They were ignored. I assume because the canes fans couldn't argue he was over valued anymore lol.
- Hammer__4

That's just how fan bases are downplay how good they are until they have them

Tre also said they aren't shopping anyone. Which is more than likely an absolute lie.

I don't think they're looking to trade Dougie, but if the right price presents itself, you have to go for it.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Well yeah obviously, that's why I hope the Dougie part is true! In my opinion, there's almost no right price... He fills an important need. I'd almost put him in untouchable with Johnny, Monny, and Tkachuk.

Oooooo ouch. Your whataboutism while ignoring Treliving's garbage moves shows exactly how poor your arguments are.

I'm aware of some of the garbage Bergevin has done. In no way does that alter or change the garbage Treliving has done. Look in the mirror and avoid your whataboutism
- Takemedrunkimhome

Listen, every time I do that I end up making out with the mirror ... ohhh fck

You my friend are very fortunate- the sh!t show occurring is hindering the fact that the Canadiens have the most incompetent GM in the league ( him and Dorion). Stupidest GM, stupidest fans, enjoy this season buddy, i'm sure there will be another fcked up trade fro you guys in the near future.

Cheers mate,

Well yeah obviously, that's why I hope the Dougie part is true! In my opinion, there's almost no right price... He fills an important need. I'd almost put him in untouchable with Johnny, Monny, and Tkachuk.
- LittleBroDougie

If Hamilton stays, that will be great. I have no problem going into next year with a lot of the same & see what a new coach can do. I would probably move Stone for a 3rd (2nd would be real nice) & get Anderson into the fold. Tre really is high on this kid & even says he likes to trash talk a bit as well. Would love to see if Valamaki makes a case to crack the line up as well. But......
if Tre really wants to shake things up after last years late season melt down, well the only real piece we have to do that is Hamilton. Brodie's value is probably pretty low right now. Moving him to the right side back with Gio could totally rejuvenate his value & career. Hamonic can anchor the 2nd pairing & kulak & Anderson are totally capable in the 5-6 spots. So it all depends on what is on the table for Tre but I think with the demand for top pairing D, something is going to happen.

If Hamilton stays, that will be great. I have no problem going into next year with a lot of the same & see what a new coach can do. I would probably move Stone for a 3rd (2nd would be real nice) & get Anderson into the fold. Tre really is high on this kid & even says he likes to trash talk a bit as well. Would love to see if Valamaki makes a case to crack the line up as well. But......
if Tre really wants to shake things up after last years late season melt down, well the only real piece we have to do that is Hamilton. Brodie's value is probably pretty low right now. Moving him to the right side back with Gio could totally rejuvenate his value & career. Hamonic can anchor the 2nd pairing & kulak & Anderson are totally capable in the 5-6 spots. So it all depends on what is on the table for Tre but I think with the demand for top pairing D, something is going to happen.
- Kevin R

I agree Stone almost certainly needs to go. Personally, I feel like the derailment of last season was mostly due to injuries to Monny, Ferly, Chucky, and Smith. That's a significant part of the core that almost no team could survive.

I think we should still move a player to get that coveted top6 RH winger, but I feel like it should be Brodie and Bennett/Frolik to get the job done. Valimaki/Kylington can probably slide into bottom pairing with Andersson while Kulak could be playing the "shutdown" minutes with Hamonic. They'll probably want some experience divvied up though so I wanna see a lineup looking more like this:

Gaudreau - Monahan - ???
Tkachuk - Backlund - Foo
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland (or Ferland - Jankowski - Frolik)
Any combo of 4th liners (I'd prefer Shore and prospects mostly with Brouwer gone and Lazar in AHL)

Gio - Hamilton
Valimaki/Kylington - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson

Smith
Gillies/Rittich/Hutton

I'd like to see Foo get sheltered by Backlund and Tkachuk while the third line gets some stability and hopefully scoring.

I agree Stone almost certainly needs to go. Personally, I feel like the derailment of last season was mostly due to injuries to Monny, Ferly, Chucky, and Smith. That's a significant part of the core that almost no team could survive.

I think we should still move a player to get that coveted top6 RH winger, but I feel like it should be Brodie and Bennett/Frolik to get the job done. Valimaki/Kylington can probably slide into bottom pairing with Andersson while Kulak could be playing the "shutdown" minutes with Hamonic. They'll probably want some experience divvied up though so I wanna see a lineup looking more like this:

Gaudreau - Monahan - ???
Tkachuk - Backlund - Foo
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland (or Ferland - Jankowski - Frolik)
Any combo of 4th liners (I'd prefer Shore and prospects mostly with Brouwer gone and Lazar in AHL)

Gio - Hamilton
Valimaki/Kylington - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson

Smith
Gillies/Rittich/Hutton

I'd like to see Foo get sheltered by Backlund and Tkachuk while the third line gets some stability and hopefully scoring.
- LittleBroDougie

I’d agree with that.