Never have I seen such delusion...

- LittleBroDougie

First time on a Flames' thread?

Andrei Svechnikov had 40 goals in 44 games in the OHL this year.
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Yeah. OHL records mean nothing. Glenn Gawdin had 125 points in 69 games.
Nail Yakupov had 49 in 65 in Sarnia and 101 total points in his rookie season in the O.

Not at all saying that Svech won't be worth the #2 overall, I think he absolutely will because of HOW he plays while scoring those 40.

Hanifin, Lindholm feels about right to me, I would be intrigued like anyone else about finding out the cost of #2 overall. I think asking for that PLUS Hanifin and Lindholm is outside the realm of possibilty. The Canes would be a stripped team at that point, with no real prospects to come up and get them over the hump. Combine that with the fact that they clearly also are looking to save some money, moving that pick makes little to no sense.

That said, if you look back at Dougie's draft year and the player he is today, he's likely gone at 1/2 with Scheifle.

#1 defencemen don't grow on trees and are arguably valued more highly than a very highly skilled winger. Hence why a Vatanen gets you a declining Henrique, Larsson gets you Hall, Burns got, at the time, an absolute haul. Defencemen like Dougie are worth what the Flames paid for him, and now, on a team friendly contract, even more IMO.

Hamilton would be an unquestioned #1 on the Canes, no development required.

Svech would immediately be a #1 RW on the Flames.

Both teams are filling a need, but the Flames, I would argue, are creating the bigger hole. Canes have young guys, plus guys like Skinner that can score. Flames do not have another defenceman of Dougie's calibre ready to step into that spot. Yet.

If teams want a PP points generating D man, why would they want Hamilton?
- Hunkulese

I agree we need a Hamilton-esque player.

If you can recover that in free agency, and fill other holes, you do it. You're taking a pre-draft risk though

Yeah. OHL records mean nothing. Glenn Gawdin had 125 points in 69 games.
Nail Yakupov had 49 in 65 in Sarnia and 101 total points in his rookie season in the O.

Not at all saying that Svech won't be worth the #2 overall, I think he absolutely will because of HOW he plays while scoring those 40.

Hanifin, Lindholm feels about right to me, I would be intrigued like anyone else about finding out the cost of #2 overall. I think asking for that PLUS Hanifin and Lindholm is outside the realm of possibilty. The Canes would be a stripped team at that point, with no real prospects to come up and get them over the hump. Combine that with the fact that they clearly also are looking to save some money, moving that pick makes little to no sense.

That said, if you look back at Dougie's draft year and the player he is today, he's likely gone at 1/2 with Scheifle.

#1 defencemen don't grow on trees and are arguably valued more highly than a very highly skilled winger. Hence why a Vatanen gets you a declining Henrique, Larsson gets you Hall, Burns got, at the time, an absolute haul. Defencemen like Dougie are worth what the Flames paid for him, and now, on a team friendly contract, even more IMO.

Hamilton would be an unquestioned #1 on the Canes, no development required.

Svech would immediately be a #1 RW on the Flames.

Both teams are filling a need, but the Flames, I would argue, are creating the bigger hole. Canes have young guys, plus guys like Skinner that can score. Flames do not have another defenceman of Dougie's calibre ready to step into that spot. Yet.
- rmull905

They're not.

Also I don't think Hamilton supplants Jaccob Slavin as the #1 defenseman.

They're not.

Also I don't think Hamilton supplants Jaccob Slavin as the #1 defenseman.
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I think that's immediate. Slavvin is good, but he's not as gifted offensively or near as good a skater as Dougie. He's your shutdown guy, but you're not running him out on the PP anytime soon.

That's an honest opinion, I would say the same if Subban were stepping into Carolina, or Burns.

I think that's immediate. Slavvin is good, but he's not as gifted offensively or near as good a skater as Dougie. He's your shutdown guy, but you're not running him out on the PP anytime soon.

That's an honest opinion, I would say the same if Subban were stepping into Carolina, or Burns.
- rmull905

I would too if Dougie Hamilton was in the same weight class as Subban or Burns.

I think that's immediate. Slavvin is good, but he's not as gifted offensively or near as good a skater as Dougie. He's your shutdown guy, but you're not running him out on the PP anytime soon.

That's an honest opinion, I would say the same if Subban were stepping into Carolina, or Burns.
- rmull905

Slavin would be the clear number one just as Gio is the clear number one in Calgary. Neither is as gifted offensively but the all-around game is more important.

They're not.

Also I don't think Hamilton supplants Jaccob Slavin as the #1 defenseman.
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And on the topic of saving money... I don't know how that's in dispute. Skinner, Faulk on the block, let Staal walk, appear to be pinching on Lindholm...

Again...probably going to be disappointed
- Takemedrunkimhome

Like the last 3 off seasons for Montreal Fans? your bone head GM trading all the skill and talent on your team for sh!t lol.

I have an idea lets trade Brodie to Montreal. We would probably get back a Minimum of Gallagher, and Patches

Slavin would be the clear number one just as Gio is the clear number one in Calgary. Neither is as gifted offensively but the all-around game is more important.
- Hunkulese

Oh c'mon Hunk. Get it together.

Gio is also a much better player all around than Slavin. He's better than Dougie... as he also elevates those who play with him.

I like Slavvin, if he walked into Calgary tomorrow, he'd be on the 2nd pairing.

Oh c'mon Hunk. Get it together.

Gio is also a much better player all around than Slavin. He's better than Dougie... as he also elevates those who play with him.

I like Slavvin, if he walked into Calgary tomorrow, he'd be on the 2nd pairing.
- rmull905

I'm not comparing Gio to Slavin. Of course Gio is better. But Slavin still has a better all around game that a coach would be comfortable using in all situations than Hamilton.

I'm not comparing Gio to Slavin. Of course Gio is better. But Slavin still has a better all around game that a coach would be comfortable using in all situations than Hamilton.
- Hunkulese

He gets more defensive responsibilities, will grant you that. He's a shutdown defenseman, that's his role. He's not an offensive guy really at all.

The Flames have Dmen better suited to things like PK, they operate as a more specialized team, but that doesn't mean that Dougie would not be well suited out there. I also wager that usage changes this year. More and more, you see speed and skill going out on PKs around the league.

Like the last 3 off seasons for Montreal Fans? your bone head GM trading all the skill and talent on your team for sh!t lol.

I have an idea lets trade Brodie to Montreal. We would probably get back a Minimum of Gallagher, and Patches
- Squilliam-

Oooooo ouch. Your whataboutism while ignoring Treliving's garbage moves shows exactly how poor your arguments are.

I'm aware of some of the garbage Bergevin has done. In no way does that alter or change the garbage Treliving has done. Look in the mirror and avoid your whataboutism

Oooooo ouch. Your whataboutism while ignoring Treliving's garbage moves shows exactly how poor your arguments are.

I'm aware of some of the garbage Bergevin has done. In no way does that alter or change the garbage Treliving has done. Look in the mirror and avoid your whataboutism
- Takemedrunkimhome

Fck off idiot! Brouwer as a bad signing versus the rock star contracts he has resigned. Wonder how that Price contract is going to feel like in a few years. Better hope he goes on LTIR a lot.

First time on a Flames' thread?
- Hunkulese

Don’t worry, Bunkulese is always around to balance things out with his absolute negative and under-valuing view of all players in CGY except, apparently, for Ferland.

Oooooo ouch. Your whataboutism while ignoring Treliving's garbage moves shows exactly how poor your arguments are.

I'm aware of some of the garbage Bergevin has done. In no way does that alter or change the garbage Treliving has done. Look in the mirror and avoid your whataboutism
- Takemedrunkimhome

Dude, you’re on here to troll. Why would Flames fans take shots at our own GM (except for Bunkulese- mr positive himself) Treliving isn’t anywhere near the same level of incompetence as Bergevin. Move along.

Fck off idiot! Brouwer as a bad signing versus the rock star contracts he has resigned. Wonder how that Price contract is going to feel like in a few years. Better hope he goes on LTIR a lot.

- Kevin R

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First time on a Flames' thread?
- Hunkulese

I'm not pointing fingers at either side. DH isn't worth the 2nd overall so that's not happening. There's no one on the current canes roster worth DH either, not even Hanifin and Lindholm so that's a no-go too.

As a flames fan, I couldn't care less about the rumours that DH is bad for the locker room. He seems to have fun and the fans (and seemingly the players) love him. I'm not trading him for anything less than another top RHD and more.

As for your points, despite your endless negativity about his defensive ability which is completely unsupported, he posts quality underlying and statistical numbers. He's not our best dman because we have an awesome captain who can do it all playing with him. That's like saying Malkin wouldn't be the top line centre on another team because he's not the best centre on the penguins.

Fck off idiot! Brouwer as a bad signing versus the rock star contracts he has resigned. Wonder how that Price contract is going to feel like in a few years. Better hope he goes on LTIR a lot.

- Kevin R

How's your tender situation again? More whataboutism from you shows how bad your arguments are. If Bergevin gets hit by a truck tomorrow Treliving will still suck

Oooooo ouch. Your whataboutism while ignoring Treliving's garbage moves shows exactly how poor your arguments are.

I'm aware of some of the garbage Bergevin has done. In no way does that alter or change the garbage Treliving has done. Look in the mirror and avoid your whataboutism
- Takemedrunkimhome

You are awesome!

How's your tender situation again? More whataboutism from you shows how bad your arguments are. If Bergevin gets hit by a truck tomorrow Treliving will suck
- Takemedrunkimhome

Here's the thing about BT. His pros are getting team friendly contracts within the organization, trade value and getting offseason objectives done. His cons are free agent signings - like the Brouwer signing.

The one exception to the trade value is the Hamonic trade which I felt was an overpayment. Everything else though, he's had the advantage.

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If you read the whole thread I'm not trolling. I started by telling Bingo (the Canes guy) his value was off in Carolina's favour and next pointed out Bergevin makes poop moves...and then Flames fans started throwing rocks despite me pointing out how Bergevin makes poop moves so I pointed out the glass house they live in. That's all. Bergevin is poop. So is Treliving. The two are not mutually exclusive

Here's the thing about BT. His pros are getting team friendly contracts within the organization, trade value and getting offseason objectives done. His cons are free agent signings - like the Brouwer signing.

The one exception to the trade value is the Hamonic trade which I felt was an overpayment. Everything else though, he's had the advantage.
- LittleBroDougie

This I'd say is a relatively fair and balanced comment - weird finding it on HB

And on the topic of saving money... I don't know how that's in dispute. Skinner, Faulk on the block, let Staal walk, appear to be pinching on Lindholm...
- rmull905

The owner today said he doesn't expect Skinner or Faulk to be traded.

Staal was traded under the previous owner.

Only moves under the new owner have added actual salary, while reducing cap hits.

Also Dundon said today that there's no point in spending less money just to have a losing team. He's planning on spending and spending big.

The owner today said he doesn't expect Skinner or Faulk to be traded.

Staal was traded under the previous owner.

Only moves under the new owner have added actual salary, while reducing cap hits.

Also Dundon said today that there's no point in spending less money just to have a losing team. He's planning on spending and spending big.
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Do you think he could get you guys a blogger on Hockeybuzz?