Tell me how Yakopov, a former 1st overall is doing? A prospect is just a prayer until he starts to show in the big league he was worth the hype. People really over value draft picks.
- TandA4Flames

Andrei Svechnikov had 40 goals in 44 games in the OHL this year.

Probably. I don't think he's the offensive juggernaut guys thought he would be, but his defensive game grew a ton over the last two seasons.
- BINGO!

I realize that 2nd OA is going to be impossible to pry out of Carolina, but Dougie is a 6'5" RHD 25 years old & signed for 3 more years at 5.75mill. The contract has got value to many teams as well. Kind of surprised Carolina would even be in a conversation with DH being a key part going back with all the nice young D you have in the pipe. We have some pretty high ceiling young D coming as well that need the Flames to make room for. Probably one of the biggest reasons DH is in the rumours so much. I thought maybe DH for Lindholm & the 2OA would be a pretty good deal for both teams but you are right, you guys dont really need a top pairing D that badly.

Personally, I would be all over Stone & the #4 from Ottawa for Dougie. Or possibly Detroit for Mantha & the #5 for Dougie. Despite the hate the fan bases have , the Oilers should be going hard for Dougie if he truly is on the market. There are truly better trade partners for Dougie than Carolina, but also part of the rumours on TSN is that the Canes are having difficulty coming to terms with Lindholm on a new contract. Money talks with some owners in this business.

I can see why the Flames are looking to Carolina, Peters knows these players but I argee Calgary would need to get more for Hamilton than Lindholm. Carolina isn't moving their first round pick, so that leaves another roster player. If Hannafin and Lindholm come back for Hamilton and anther play, prospect or pick that would be okay but I think the ask by Carolina will be very high. I can't see Carolina wanting to make the Flames better with a coach who just quit their organization, to they would have to frame it to their fans that they won any trade with Calgary.
- LifesBetter

If Peters didn't resign he was going to be fired.

I realize that 2nd OA is going to be impossible to pry out of Carolina, but Dougie is a 6'5" RHD 25 years old & signed for 3 more years at 5.75mill. The contract has got value to many teams as well. Kind of surprised Carolina would even be in a conversation with DH being a key part going back with all the nice young D you have in the pipe. We have some pretty high ceiling young D coming as well that need the Flames to make room for. Probably one of the biggest reasons DH is in the rumours so much. I thought maybe DH for Lindholm & the 2OA would be a pretty good deal for both teams but you are right, you guys dont really need a top pairing D that badly.

Personally, I would be all over Stone & the #4 from Ottawa for Dougie. Or possibly Detroit for Mantha & the #5 for Dougie. Despite the hate the fan bases have , the Oilers should be going hard for Dougie if he truly is on the market. There are truly better trade partners for Dougie than Carolina, but also part of the rumours on TSN is that the Canes are having difficulty coming to terms with Lindholm on a new contract. Money talks with some owners in this business.
- Kevin R

Again...probably going to be disappointed

Did you just compare Mcdavid, one of the best prospects in the history of the sport, to schvenikov?


- FLAM3SFAN

Nah. Svech is closer in quality to Laine, but loser of a sniper and more of a power forward style player.

The point is that it's ludicrous to dismiss the value of a highly touted player because he hasn't played at the NHL level yet

I realize that 2nd OA is going to be impossible to pry out of Carolina, but Dougie is a 6'5" RHD 25 years old & signed for 3 more years at 5.75mill. The contract has got value to many teams as well. Kind of surprised Carolina would even be in a conversation with DH being a key part going back with all the nice young D you have in the pipe. We have some pretty high ceiling young D coming as well that need the Flames to make room for. Probably one of the biggest reasons DH is in the rumours so much. I thought maybe DH for Lindholm & the 2OA would be a pretty good deal for both teams but you are right, you guys dont really need a top pairing D that badly.

Personally, I would be all over Stone & the #4 from Ottawa for Dougie. Or possibly Detroit for Mantha & the #5 for Dougie. Despite the hate the fan bases have , the Oilers should be going hard for Dougie if he truly is on the market. There are truly better trade partners for Dougie than Carolina, but also part of the rumours on TSN is that the Canes are having difficulty coming to terms with Lindholm on a new contract. Money talks with some owners in this business.
- Kevin R

I don't think you're getting anywhere near that much for Hamilton.

It probably doesn't make sense, no.

But WOW do some of you overvalue Dougie Hamilton. He's a real good defenseman, yeah. But y'all are acting like he's the cornerstone of your franchise or something.
- BINGO!

Over the last 2 seasons, 74 pairings have logged at least 700 minutes together at 5v5. The Gio Hamilton pairing ranks 1st in corsi for % and are tied for 1st with a + 27 goal differential. Also they are 3rd in expected goals for %. credit to todd on the stats.

I don't see how we are over valuing a player that makes our team THAT much better. But think what you want. I don't care about attitude "problems" if he's playing like that

Again, Dougie's name gets brought up in the rumour mill every year because it generates traffic. He's still here. And everyone who says he has an attitude problem, what evidence is there of that? Because Boston said it after they traded him? That's all just rumour.

I really don't think Dougie's getting traded. Hell, I don't even think he's on the market. And if he is, it makes zero sense to trade him for a middle six forward and a young defenseman who granted has tons of potential but hasn't fully proven himself yet. Dougie doesn't even really make sense for Carolina anyway with that young blue line.

Again, Dougie's name gets brought up in the rumour mill every year because it generates traffic. He's still here. And everyone who says he has an attitude problem, what evidence is there of that? Because Boston said it after they traded him? That's all just rumour.

I really don't think Dougie's getting traded. Hell, I don't even think he's on the market. And if he is, it makes zero sense to trade him for a middle six forward and a young defenseman who granted has tons of potential but hasn't fully proven himself yet. Dougie doesn't even really make sense for Carolina anyway with that young blue line.
- Helios

Your not going to hear straight up that he is a problem, Tre hinted at the end of year conference that there are players that need to be evaluated and see if their give a poop meter is high enough. There's lots of talks behind the scenes that hes a complainer and may not be a good fit in the dressing room. This is from people in his own agency.

Again...probably going to be disappointed
- Takemedrunkimhome

Seriously dude. If that isnt the min. coming back, Dougie stays & we'll just have to agonize keeping a 50 point RHD 25 years old getting 5.75mill per year for the next 3 years. Quit projecting your disappointment on some of these trades your GM has been making on us.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near that much for Hamilton.
- BINGO!

Well then I guess we really agree to disagree. I guess teams that want a PP points generating D man can go pay Carlsson 8.5mill per year for 7 years on the open market. & oh yeah, I think he's 28 years old.

Seriously dude. If that isnt the min. coming back, Dougie stays & we'll just have to agonize keeping a 50 point RHD 25 years old getting 5.75mill per year for the next 3 years. Quit projecting your disappointment on some of these trades your GM has been making on us.
- Kevin R

Try this differently. Rather than from the Flames fan perspective imagine you're Holland or Dorian...is there any chance in blue hell you do that trade? They're both in the division of the team I cheer for so I'd love them to make those trades but if I'm looking out for Det or Ott's best interest there's no chance I'd do it

Seriously dude. If that isnt the min. coming back, Dougie stays & we'll just have to agonize keeping a 50 point RHD 25 years old getting 5.75mill per year for the next 3 years. Quit projecting your disappointment on some of these trades your GM has been making on us.
- Kevin R

And bring up Bergevin all you want...I did in a mocking way...but Treliving is at BEST a bottom 3rd of the league GM and even that may be generous

Try this differently. Rather than from the Flames fan perspective imagine you're Holland or Dorian...is there any chance in blue hell you do that trade? They're both in the division of the team I cheer for so I'd love them to make those trades but if I'm looking out for Det or Ott's best interest there's no chance I'd do it
- Takemedrunkimhome

Ok, I understand now, no one wants a 25 year old top pairing 50 point right hand D on a great contract. Got it.

And bring up Bergevin all you want...I did in a mocking way...but Treliving is at BEST a bottom 3rd of the league GM and even that may be generous
- Takemedrunkimhome

Yeah Tre has made some questionable trades, not many GM's havent. Even the GM of the Year this year traded Filip Forsberg for.....Erat.

Thing I commend with Treliving is his ability to get star players to buy in to the greater good & the contracts he has signed with Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Brodie, Hamilton have been top shelf. & if you disagree with me on that, we are done discussing anything.

Ok, I understand now, no one wants a 25 year old top pairing 50 point right hand D on a great contract. Got it.
- Kevin R

Not if you have to give up a mid-to-high end scorer and a top 5 draft pick

Tell me why. Someone convince me why this isn’t a reasonable ask? Who are Lindholm, Hanifin and Svechnikov (likely) exactly that we shouldn’t expect this as a return for a 6’6” right shot D who’s under 25, gets better every year and let the league (tied) in goals from the D last year?
I acknowledge it’s a high ask but Convince me.
- TandA4Flames

Your not a playoff team with him or without him.. so does it matter?

Yeah Tre has made some questionable trades, not many GM's havent. Even the GM of the Year this year traded Filip Forsberg for.....Erat.

Thing I commend with Treliving is his ability to get star players to buy in to the greater good & the contracts he has signed with Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Brodie, Hamilton have been top shelf. & if you disagree with me on that, we are done discussing anything.
- Kevin R

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Well then I guess we really agree to disagree. I guess teams that want a PP points generating D man can go pay Carlsson 8.5mill per year for 7 years on the open market. & oh yeah, I think he's 28 years old.
- Kevin R

If teams want a PP points generating D man, why would they want Hamilton?

If teams want a PP points generating D man, why would they want Hamilton?
- Hunkulese

Well im sure the other team will start him on the PP and keep him there all year. And his stats will even be better, he is gifted at putting puck in the net if used proper he will score even more.

Not if you have to give up a mid-to-high end scorer and a top 5 draft pick
- BINGO!

Lindholm is nowhere near a high end scorer. Mid is his level. Period!

If teams want a PP points generating D man, why would they want Hamilton?
- Hunkulese

Why do you even pretend to be a flames fan?

I love Lindholm but if we can get Hamilton back as part of a deal for him, I'm 100% on board with it.

Definitely hesitant to trade Hanifin AND Lindholm without another significant piece (or two) coming back from the Flames.

If the Canes can manage to get Hamilton without losing Hanifin, that has them with

Hanifin-Hamilton
Slavin-Faulk
Fleury-Pesce

I assume Calgary would need another defenseman back, like Trevor van Reimsdyk or something.
- BINGO!

Are you joking
You throwing in the 2nd overall too?

Lindholm is nowhere near a high end scorer. Mid is his level. Period!
- TandA4Flames

No poop. The other guy included Mark Stone or Anthony Mantha.

I could read Bingo comments all day. Never have I seen such delusion...

Hanifiin worth as much as DH... Svechnikov deserving Gaudreau+... C'mon man

I know we evaluate DH as high but that's real life. Top pairing RHD require ridiculous overpayments