From last blog about asking for 9th overall, 28th overall and Chris Kreider for Ryan O'Reilly....




Trying! haha

We are really at a power position, take it like this....

For Rick Nash they got..

Ryan Spooner and Matt Beleskey, 2018 first-round pick, Ryan Lindgren, 2019 7th round pick

That is for an aging winger (33 years old ) on an expiring contract.



So I would be asking for that 1st rounder (above),
Spooner ~= Kreider.

Spooner 59games 41 points

Kreider is 58 games, 37 points


So I am asking for a + of 9th overall which is not totally crazy (over what Rick Nash's value was on expiring contract).

Doubt it happens, but thats what I would want from them.
- Lilroot9

To be fair, he does have about a .60 PPG average but his best seasons were 49 pts in 80 games and 39 pts in 78 games. 13 goals in a season is his career high. He is an RFA making 2.85M

Would we just plug that in at 2C until Casey was ready? What kind of deal would he even get then... like a 3 year 4M AAV? Is that worth it? Maybe.

On Kreider,

Big boy LWer with 3 straight 21-28 goal seasons before injuries cut this past year short at 16 goals in 58 games. Solid top 6 contributer, not sure if he would ever get to the top notch 1LW tier. Makes 4.6M AAV for 2 more years. I wouldn't want to have to pay him 6-7M AAV after that deal.

9th overall and Kreider is where I'd start that discussion. Maybe even 9th and 32OA could move up a little?

It was his glove shoulder.

They tried to make him play through it because he was literally the only thing keeping RPI in games.

He never looked the same again.

I graduated from RPI and saw every single of his home starts and many of his road starts as well.

When the sabres got him i was very happy, and then it all came down for him it's sad how injuries can do that
- Shadman306

Terrible to hear that.... College level used him up and didn't care about the future results.

Terrible to hear that.... College level used him up and didn't care about the future results.
- JVince11

He was multiple levels above most everyone else on the ice every single night he was out there, including post injury.

In all of the trade scenarios and names that are thrown out....

Schwartz, Skinner, Neal, JVR, Kreider, or other.

Who is the best option as a 1LW in your opinion?


IMO, it'd be Schwartz but he's the least likely to get in a trade.

It was his glove shoulder.

They tried to make him play through it because he was literally the only thing keeping RPI in games.

He never looked the same again.

I graduated from RPI and saw every single of his home starts and many of his road starts as well.

When the sabres got him i was very happy, and then it all came down for him it's sad how injuries can do that
- Shadman306

This is poopty, injures of this level suck balls.

Tough transition into the real world

In all of the trade scenarios and names that are thrown out....

Schwartz, Skinner, Neal, JVR, Kreider, or other.

Who is the best option as a 1LW in your opinion?


IMO, it'd be Schwartz but he's the least likely to get in a trade.
- JVince11

1. Schwartz
2. JVR
3. Kreider
4. Skinner
5. Neal

Even when we had Irbe, it's now like we were producing a ton of talent.

Are you forgetting he was here during the tank years. Lindback, Neuvirth and even Johnson had great stats because of Irbe ?

I'd take Irbe back in a heartbeat.

It was his glove shoulder.

They tried to make him play through it because he was literally the only thing keeping RPI in games.

He never looked the same again.

I graduated from RPI and saw every single of his home starts and many of his road starts as well.

When the sabres got him i was very happy, and then it all came down for him it's sad how injuries can do that
- Shadman306

thx for the input...

here's a two-part piece I did on him...great kid:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...t-Jason-Kasdorf/209/70552

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...Kasdorf-Part-II/209/70556

Andrew Allens job should be in jeopardy.
When was the last time a goalie that the Sabres drafted became successful at the NHL level.
Not blaming it all on Allen but for the accolades heard on how good of a goalie coach he is I haven't seen results.
- Goalieguy43

you have to go back to Miller and Biron unless you are willing to count Enroth..

1. Schwartz
2. JVR
3. Kreider
4. Skinner
5. Neal
- Sabre_Tooth

fair fair.... is this pure talent evaluation or are you taking contract situations into play too if I may ask?

you have to go back to Miller and Biron unless you are willing to count Enroth..
- IndianaSabresFan

Steve Shields is devastated by his omission.

Are you forgetting he was here during the tank years. Lindback, Neuvirth and even Johnson had great stats because of Irbe ?

I'd take Irbe back in a heartbeat.
- Goalieguy43

Irbe seemed to get a lot more out of goalies.. look at all these guys on a crappy team that never really produced anywhere outside of buffalo.. Lindback and Neuvirth both looked pretty good for stretches and Enroth had some solid time. none of these guys could really reproduce that once they left

Steve Shields is devastated by his omission.
- JVince11

i guess i need to have my glasses cleaned to see that..

in looking at buffalo's goalie picks up until he was hire din 2015, it's really not too surprising
- Michael Pachla

If I recall Irbe left the Sabres when Nolan left. I think Lehner could have been handled better.
All of Lehners problems including his temperament could have been coached better. Unless Allen was coaching Lehner on positioning and use of his glove and covering pucks and especially break aways and Lehner refused to listen I think Allen failed.

fair fair.... is this pure talent evaluation or are you taking contract situations into play too if I may ask?
- JVince11

that list is all talent/age/durability related, nothing to do with contracts.

I find it crazy where Skinner is at now when 3ish years ago he was practically untradable due to concussion concerns and a huge drop in play. 14-15 he had 18G 13A 31P in 77GP, Girgensons had 30P in 61GP that year.

In all of the trade scenarios and names that are thrown out....

Schwartz, Skinner, Neal, JVR, Kreider, or other.

Who is the best option as a 1LW in your opinion?


IMO, it'd be Schwartz but he's the least likely to get in a trade.
- JVince11

Just say no.

If I recall Irbe left the Sabres when Nolan left. I think Lehner could have been handled better.
- Goalieguy43

Yeah, as I recall, Irbe had no intention of coming back to the NHL and the only reason he did was as a favor to Nolan.

Just say no.
- jcragcrumple

Rather have Panarin

Rather have Panarin
- SABRES 89

Me too, but more than that, I don't want to give Skinner a Kane deal

Rather have Panarin
- SABRES 89

Is this a realistic scenario in your mind?

From CapFriendly:

BUF gets:
Patrick Kane

CHI gets:
Okposo, McCabe, Nylander, 2019 BUF 1st, 2019 SJS 1st.


would you?

From CapFriendly:

BUF gets:
Patrick Kane

CHI gets:
Okposo, McCabe, Nylander, 2019 BUF 1st, 2019 SJS 1st.


would you?
- JVince11

Ror doesn’t like P. Kane

From CapFriendly:

BUF gets:
Patrick Kane

CHI gets:
Okposo, McCabe, Nylander, 2019 BUF 1st, 2019 SJS 1st.


would you?
- JVince11

No there’s a reason he’s only allowed to come home for 24hr at a time during the off-season.

Think about the scene from the Departed where Nicholson is beating DiCaprio’s broken wrist with his boot.

If I recall Irbe left the Sabres when Nolan left. I think Lehner could have been handled better.
All of Lehners problems including his temperament could have been coached better. Unless Allen was coaching Lehner on positioning and use of his glove and covering pucks and especially break aways and Lehner refused to listen I think Allen failed.
- Goalieguy43

irbe did bolt when Nolan was fired...too bad...he did a fine job

Yeah, as I recall, Irbe had no intention of coming back to the NHL and the only reason he did was as a favor to Nolan.
- adambuffalo

^this^