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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 20 @ 1:50 PM ET
OK, this is strictly my own take based on a gut feeling. Ron Hextall keeps everything close to the vest.

However, from the gist of what I've heard from those I know in and/or are trusted by the upper-levels in the organization, I would not be surprised if they are fine with listening to offers for Simmonds. I also think they are NOT inclined to move him at the end of the day unless it is a no-brainer in Hextall's own estimation.

Otherwise, the intention appears to be to try to resign him, even if it goes into next season without a new deal. There is a goal internally to push the regular season point total over 100 points and to win a playoff round but without dealing assets/ prospects or pursuing the top-of-the-line external free agents. That's going to require all hands on deck to do.

Hextall is very big on the intangibles. If you listened to Anthony SF's podcast with Hexy last week, the GM talked a lot about fit within the room, general work habits and a player's desire to be a Flyer as things he factors along with all the on-ice stuff. It was said in reference to NHL-level roster decisions and not the Draft, in this case.

I know for an absolute fact that the players in the room consider Simmonds to be the guy who internally operates as the bad cop when needed yet is deeply respected and admired. Unless it's for a bigger return than the Flyers are likely to get, it would likely go over poorly within the room if he's traded. That is especially true on the heels of all that he played through this past season and the way he has everyone else's back on the ice and in public. Simmonds wears his heart on his sleeve, and wants to spend the rest of his career as a Flyer. He's said as much, but everyone knew it, anyway.

Is it impossible that Simmonds gets traded, whether at the Draft or by the trade deadline of next season? No.

Right now, though, it would take a lot of incentive to do so, and not primarily a draft pick asset in his particular case. The teams that are picking atop the Draft aren't the market where Simmonds would be their main off-season target. And what team that is a Simmonds type away from Cup contention would trade from its fast-rising young NHL roster talent plus a conditional high-end pick (even if it is in 2019) to do it, because I think that is the price tag the Flyers would have in mind.

Again, I could be proven 100 percent wrong. It's just my read.

- bmeltzer

Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.

The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.

On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season left on his deal. At the deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets at the deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.

And honestly I'm ok with that.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:54 PM ET
Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.

The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.

On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season and a half left on his deal. At next year's deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets traded next deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.

And honestly I'm ok with that.

- Giroux_Is_God


Stop spreading lies, video games are real.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 20 @ 1:59 PM ET
Stop spreading lies, video games are real.
- Glak18

sorrey

Seriously though the Yotes just traded Domi for Galchenyuk. Why tf would they want Simmonds if they wanted a player like Galchenyuk badly enough to trade away their own promising young forward?

Use the commutative property here F E L L A S. The Coyotes went out to get a 24 yr old goal scoring forward with the potential to be great and traded Max Domi, himself a potentially great player at 23 years old. Where does Simmonds, the aging power forward- granted one that can still score- fit into that equation?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 20 @ 1:59 PM ET
https://twitter.com/maxmi...tatus/1009460622537510912

scoob is twitter famous

- YuenglingJagr


lol!!!! took me a bit to figure out why though
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 20 @ 1:59 PM ET
Flyers aren't lacking points from the back end. They got 30 goals and 76 assists between Gostisehere and Provorov alone and Sanheim is going to put up his share of points, too, as he gains more ice time. The Flyers needs better two-way play and pairings balance out of their three pairings. Adding more point-producing is secondary.

Dumba does offer a RH shot and he's producing points but he's not exactly what you'd call a consistent, heady two-way D-man.

- bmeltzer


I didn’t mean we should only get him because of his point totals (my bad), that was more so me surprised he accumulated that many points last season. I assumed he was more of a stay at home d man with some nasty (not as in dirty) physicalness to his game. I’m looking forward to Sanheim (hopefully) getting some PP2 time this year!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 20 @ 2:00 PM ET
Next thing you know, he'll be dating a Kardashian and then be completely unbearable.
- johndewar


I've been told that one of those is already true
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:04 PM ET
I've been told that one of those is already true
- Scoob


Which Kardashian?
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
Which Kardashian?
- Glak18


Rob
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 20 @ 2:06 PM ET
I've been told that one of those is already true
- Scoob

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:10 PM ET
Rob
- arichardson22


Thank you.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 20 @ 2:13 PM ET
Which Kardashian?
- Glak18


Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:15 PM ET

- jmatchett383


2 minute penalty for High Sticking!
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 20 @ 2:17 PM ET
2 minute penalty for High Sticking!
- Glak18


I would say too many men on the ice but I’m not sure if that’s politically correct anymore
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 20 @ 2:20 PM ET
I would say too many men on the ice but I’m not sure if that’s politically correct anymore
- arichardson22

Who cares? It’s funny

(frank) political correctness
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:21 PM ET
I would say too many men on the ice but I’m not sure if that’s politically correct anymore
- arichardson22


Using the term politically correct is politically incorrect.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 20 @ 2:28 PM ET
Who cares? It’s funny

(frank) political correctness

- BiggE


Whew, you guys are chill. Thank God
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 20 @ 2:40 PM ET
Whew, you guys are chill. Thank God
- arichardson22

The coffin really puts things into perspective and keeps us level headed. I suggest a few sessions for yourself
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:42 PM ET
The coffin really puts things into perspective and keeps us level headed. I suggest a few sessions for yourself
- YuenglingJagr

I can confirm
bighandsome91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Shut up, nerd., CA
Joined: 03.09.2018

Jun 20 @ 2:44 PM ET
Who cares? It’s funny

(frank) political correctness

- BiggE


+1
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 20 @ 2:55 PM ET
The coffin really puts things into perspective and keeps us level headed. I suggest a few sessions for yourself
- YuenglingJagr


Hopefully there’s a promo code for it in the Bill and Bundy podcast
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.

The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.

On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season left on his deal. At the deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets at the deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.

And honestly I'm ok with that.

- Giroux_Is_God

keeping simmonds isn't going to win us the cup
why lose him for NOTHING
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 20 @ 3:02 PM ET
keeping simmonds isn't going to win us the cup
why lose him for NOTHING

- 2Real


Can we trade you for a backup goalie?
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 20 @ 3:05 PM ET
Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.

The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.

On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season left on his deal. At the deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets at the deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.

And honestly I'm ok with that.

- Giroux_Is_God

do you work for arizona? they were one of the better teams the last half of the season. They are done rebuilding to an extent. Why cant you grasp that?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 20 @ 3:08 PM ET
I've been told that one of those is already true
- Scoob


rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 20 @ 3:08 PM ET
sorrey

Seriously though the Yotes just traded Domi for Galchenyuk. Why tf would they want Simmonds if they wanted a player like Galchenyuk badly enough to trade away their own promising young forward?

Use the commutative property here F E L L A S. The Coyotes went out to get a 24 yr old goal scoring forward with the potential to be great and traded Max Domi, himself a potentially great player at 23 years old. Where does Simmonds, the aging power forward- granted one that can still score- fit into that equation?

- Giroux_Is_God

its funny reading your opinion. Why would they want simmonds? well for all the reasons why the flyers want to keep him.
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