I'm sure Kadri would be happy to help with that.
- Thecakeisalie

lo

lol

Why?
- Unholy_Goalie

Because it's a catchy line and rhymes. Duh!

Because it's a catchy line and rhymes. Duh!
- Thecakeisalie

Go hard for Bouchard.

Go hard for Bouchard.
- Unholy_Goalie

Maybe the Sens can use that one. Randy Lee says, "don't worry, I will."

Maybe the Sens can use that one. Randy Lee says, "don't worry, I will."
- Thecakeisalie

If Bouchard is on the board at 10th, I'd try to move Liljegren and 25th to Edmonton for him. I think Chiarelli would take it.

If Bouchard is on the board at 10th, I'd try to move Liljegren and 25th to Edmonton for him. I think Chiarelli would take it.
- Unholy_Goalie

No poop. Of course he would. I'd love to draft Bouchard as much as the next guy, but that's a terrible trade.

No poop. Of course he would. I'd love to draft Bouchard as much as the next guy, but that's a terrible trade.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Not at all. 25th is unlikely to be anything special and Bouchard is a far better prospect than Liljegren. It'd be a terrible trade for Edmonton.

If a team had 17th overall and 25th overall, very few teams in the top 10 would make that trade and that's basically what that deal would be, one year removed from Liljegren being drafted.

And Liljegren nor 25th overall isn't something the Leafs couldn't easily replace by trading Gardiner so they can refill that spot in the system fairly quickly and easily.

Maybe the Oilers (or another top 10 team) would be more interested in Gardiner than Liljegren because they're looking to get better sooner rather than later. That'd be an option too and allows you to keep Liljegren. There are many possibilities and combinations.

Not at all. 25th is unlikely to be anything special and Bouchard is a far better prospect than Liljegren. It'd be a terrible trade for Edmonton.

If a team had 17th overall and 25th overall, very few teams in the top 10 would make that trade and that's basically what that deal would be, one year removed from Liljegren being drafted.

And Liljegren nor 25th overall isn't something the Leafs couldn't easily replace by trading Gardiner so they can refill that spot in the system fairly quickly and easily.

Maybe the Oilers (or another top 10 team) would be more interested in Gardiner than Liljegren because they're looking to get better sooner rather than later. That'd be an option too and allows you to keep Liljegren. There are many possibilities and combinations.
- Unholy_Goalie

This is only a good trade for the Leafs if you believe strongly that Bouchard will be a much better player than Liljegren. Maybe you do, but I bet you're in the minority.

Liljegren seems to be progressing very well. Why would we want to trade him, and what makes you so certain Bouchard is that big of an upgrade from him, or an upgrade at all for that matter? A few complimentary evaluations? Maybe you saw a couple games where he looked good? Lets be honest, most of us know jack poop about most of the guys in this upcoming draft. At least we've been following Liljegren for a year, and he's been adjusting to NA ice and improving his defense.

Lets at least see what we've got in our recent draft picks before we toss them away for a slightly newer, shinier toy.

P.S. It doesn't matter at this point where Liljegren was drafted, hell, we all know he fell in part because he was sick and people didn't want to take a risk that mono was the only reason for his poor year. Any team looking at a trade involving him isn't just going to say, "well where was he drafted at, cause that's all we need to know". What matters is how he's been progressing since the draft and what people think he might become, not just that he was drafted at 17, so mentioning that like it sums up his trade potential is just dumb.

Not at all. 25th is unlikely to be anything special and Bouchard is a far better prospect than Liljegren. It'd be a terrible trade for Edmonton.

If a team had 17th overall and 25th overall, very few teams in the top 10 would make that trade and that's basically what that deal would be, one year removed from Liljegren being drafted.

And Liljegren nor 25th overall isn't something the Leafs couldn't easily replace by trading Gardiner so they can refill that spot in the system fairly quickly and easily.

Maybe the Oilers (or another top 10 team) would be more interested in Gardiner than Liljegren because they're looking to get better sooner rather than later. That'd be an option too and allows you to keep Liljegren. There are many possibilities and combinations.
- Unholy_Goalie

Says the guy kicking and screaming that the leafs traded away a 2nd

I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or not.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I am. It's pretty simple.

Just look at past grades involving picks ffs. It's not rocket science

Not at all. 25th is unlikely to be anything special and Bouchard is a far better prospect than Liljegren. It'd be a terrible trade for Edmonton.

If a team had 17th overall and 25th overall, very few teams in the top 10 would make that trade and that's basically what that deal would be, one year removed from Liljegren being drafted.

And Liljegren nor 25th overall isn't something the Leafs couldn't easily replace by trading Gardiner so they can refill that spot in the system fairly quickly and easily.

Maybe the Oilers (or another top 10 team) would be more interested in Gardiner than Liljegren because they're looking to get better sooner rather than later. That'd be an option too and allows you to keep Liljegren. There are many possibilities and combinations.
- Unholy_Goalie

What?

Lol UG has probably seen Bouchard play a couple games and is basing his potential off of stats. Which you can do with any junior player and that's why it can be hard to determine who is/will be the better player when graduating to pro playing with men.

Personally I'd just keep Liljegren, we already have him developing in our system and he had a pretty good year being the youngest player in the AHL. And Dubas had some high praise for him in his locker clean out interview. Next season with the Marlies we will see if he takes that next step.

Not at all. 25th is unlikely to be anything special and Bouchard is a far better prospect than Liljegren. It'd be a terrible trade for Edmonton.

If a team had 17th overall and 25th overall, very few teams in the top 10 would make that trade and that's basically what that deal would be, one year removed from Liljegren being drafted.

And Liljegren nor 25th overall isn't something the Leafs couldn't easily replace by trading Gardiner so they can refill that spot in the system fairly quickly and easily.

Maybe the Oilers (or another top 10 team) would be more interested in Gardiner than Liljegren because they're looking to get better sooner rather than later. That'd be an option too and allows you to keep Liljegren. There are many possibilities and combinations.
- Unholy_Goalie

What the (frank) are you smoking?

What the (frank) are you smoking?
- Wissler

UG gets upset at trading away a 2nd round pick. But has no problem wanting to throw away two 1st round picks for an unproven player. He has no idea what he's talking about.

UG gets upset at trading away a 2nd round pick. But has no problem wanting to throw away two 1st round picks for an unproven player. He has no idea what he's talking about.
- LeafGuy89

Sounds like a solid move from my angle.

UG gets upset at trading away a 2nd round pick. But has no problem wanting to throw away two 1st round picks for an unproven player. He has no idea what he's talking about.
- LeafGuy89

I don't see the need in trading up in this draft. After top 10, guys rankings are all over the place. I'm guessing leafs will have some guys they ranked top 15-20 that will fall to them at 25. I'd prefer they trade down a bit and add another 2nd.

Sounds like a solid move from my angle.
- RickJames77

Cause you're both Boston fans!

Cause you're both Boston fans!
- LeafGuy89

I'd love for the leafs to trade with the rangers. Give them 25 for 28 and 48, they get back to back picks, and we can add an extra guy in the 2nd. Pick value goes slightly in leafs favour so they might have to add a 4th to get it done.

I don't see the need in trading up in this draft. After top 10, guys rankings are all over the place. I'm guessing leafs will have some guys they ranked top 15-20 that will fall to them at 25. I'd prefer they trade down a bit and add another 2nd.
- matt1337

Holy (frank). That does not go down well round these parts.

Cause you're both Boston fans!
- LeafGuy89

What?
- burn

Right? You can't just easily replace a year in your organization's development system either: all the training, fitness, nutrition, coaching, systems work, etc.

Bouchard looks good, I've seen him play live a couple times this year, but he's no further along than Liljegren obviously.

Right? You can't just easily replace a year in your organization's development system either: all the training, fitness, nutrition, coaching, systems work, etc.

Bouchard looks good, I've seen him play live a couple times this year, but he's no further along than Liljegren obviously.
- gravyface

But he's new and shiny ..

But he's new and shiny ..
- Fruitcakenipple

Liljegren left out in the rain, all rusty and busty.

Sin b'y.