“You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever.
- homiedclown

I trust culture

I trust culture
- IonSabres

Trust the process

He played well enough early on, kinda took a step b back late ... then poopt the bed in the AHL playoffs.
It would be best to let him steady himself in Roch for awhile, fet his confidence back.
No need to rush him.
- IonSabres

or he comes to camp and wins a spot, no need to make a decision now

11 Goner's
Kane
Pouloit
Antipin
Nolan
Josefson
Griffith
Falk
Gorges
Fedun
Moulson
Johnson

4+ Could be gone
Larsson
Girgenson
Lehner
Beauliue
ROR
- IonSabres

Here's where I'm at. Keep ROR for now, unless you're getting a very gifted player back, because he can probably score a ton of Jack's wing, and if Mitts falters at 2C, they can shift ROR back there.

It solves our left wing problem with a guy who's already here. Like I said, if someone offers you a really good good wing with term on the deal, or a bonafide 1 RHD, that's different, but I see no reason to think ROR wouldn't put up at least 65p with Eichel.

Yeah, I know, they hate each other yada yada yada

or he comes to camp and wins a spot, no need to make a decision now
- Lunaion

Agreed.

Here's where I'm at. Keep ROR for now, unless you're getting a very gifted player back, because he can probably score a ton of Jack's wing, and if Mitts falters at 2C, they can shift ROR back there.

It solves our left wing problem with a guy who's already here. Like I said, if someone offers you a really good good wing with term on the deal, or a bonafide 1 RHD, that's different, but I see no reason to think ROR wouldn't put up at least 65p with Eichel.

Yeah, I know, they hate each other yada yada yada
- jcragcrumple

I agree on no need to trade him for the sake of trading.
If it is a clear win at a position of need, or a strong package, then of course I'd be good there.

I just reject the narrative that they absolutely must trade one or more of the big three to have a significantly different roster...it is simply false.
They could see 12, 13, 14 players switched out without moving those guys.

I agree on no need to trade him for the sake of trading.
If it is a clear win at a position of need, or a strong package, then of course I'd be good there.

I just reject the narrative that they absolutely must trade one or more of the big three to have a significantly different roster...it is simply false.
They could see 12, 13, 14 players switched out without moving those guys.
- IonSabres

The thing is that your 12 is digging so far deep into the depth chart, that it's 12 of 35. In my book, if you want to change the composition of this team, you need to do more with the top 6/top 4. Otherwise, it's just Kane out, Dahlin in and banking on internal development. I don't think there's enough talent in the system to go that route.

I wonder if Buffalo39 still lurks here. Haven’t seen him much since his “Carey Price is done in a Habs Jersey tirade”. He was right on a few things, completely wrong on others haha.

The thing is that your 12 is digging so far deep into the depth chart, that it's 12 of 35. In my book, if you want to change the composition of this team, you need to do more with the top 6/top 4. Otherwise, it's just Kane out, Dahlin in and banking on internal development. I don't think there's enough talent in the system to go that route.
- Lunaion

True that as far as depth...but due to injuries, most of those guys played 35+/- games...and so when talking about "change" I think it is justified...not like they only played 5 games
(Moulson and Tenyson played 15sh each).
I didn't count, but my guess is it is closer to say 30sh, but I get your point.
Still, it is significant change year over year that should be anticipated.

And As I stated, I'm not going to come unglued if the move 1,2 or 3 of them..IF it is a CLEAR IMPROVEMENT. Not just cause the guy spilled his guts.

I wonder if Buffalo39 still lurks here. Haven’t seen him much since his “Carey Price is done in a Habs Jersey tirade”. He was right on a few things, completely wrong on others haha.
- Pegullaville

Dude def has sources. They were way wrong on that one though

Dude def has sources. They were way wrong on that one though
- Fattony1187

He was Russ Brandon

Dude def has sources. They were way wrong on that one though
- Fattony1187

I definitely can believe that something happened behind the scenes with Price. Saw some tweets today that the Habs are listening on potential offers for him.

I definitely can believe that something happened behind the scenes with Price. Saw some tweets today that the Habs are listening on potential offers for him.
- Pegullaville

Lehner for price E4

The thing is that your 12 is digging so far deep into the depth chart, that it's 12 of 35. In my book, if you want to change the composition of this team, you need to do more with the top 6/top 4. Otherwise, it's just Kane out, Dahlin in and banking on internal development. I don't think there's enough talent in the system to go that route.
- Lunaion

As far as the top 6 goes
Eichel is a fixture, ROR is a very good 2C, Reinhart is decent winger, especially if he produces closer to the last half of season, Okposo is a) virtually unmoveable, b) coming off a recovery season..so hopefully he gets back on track.
Realistically, hat leaves 2 LW spots to fill...hopefully JBotts can find suitable players externally...im good with that.
If ROR moves, then he needs to fill that...likely with Mitts.
That is 33% - 50% change...pretty significant.

Top 4 D...Obviously Dahlin...and I am advocating for a #2 RHD to mentor Dahlin...Anton Stralman would be perfect for 2 - 3 years.
That i s 50% change.

All that and moving only ROR... or not!

Here's where I'm at. Keep ROR for now, unless you're getting a very gifted player back, because he can probably score a ton of Jack's wing, and if Mitts falters at 2C, they can shift ROR back there.

It solves our left wing problem with a guy who's already here. Like I said, if someone offers you a really good good wing with term on the deal, or a bonafide 1 RHD, that's different, but I see no reason to think ROR wouldn't put up at least 65p with Eichel.

Yeah, I know, they hate each other yada yada yada
- jcragcrumple

2 Big Reasons ROR wanted out of Colorado:

1. Wanted to Play Center ONLY
2. Thought he should have been named Captain

How do you think he will react next season if the Sabres try to through both at him. Keeping him to play center with Jack as Captain is at-least Do-Able, moving him to wing as well and forget about trade value, that will plummet because he will publicly be asking for a trade.
I'm not saying trade him now for nothing but I think LW is out of the question no matter how you spin it.

True that as far as depth...but due to injuries, most of those guys played 35+/- games...and so when talking about "change" I think it is justified...not like they only played 5 games
(Moulson and Tenyson played 15sh each).
I didn't count, but my guess is it is closer to say 30sh, but I get your point.
Still, it is significant change year over year that should be anticipated.

And As I stated, I'm not going to come unglued if the move 1,2 or 3 of them..IF it is a CLEAR IMPROVEMENT. Not just cause the guy spilled his guts.
- IonSabres

Turnover is a funny thing. If you want to say there's a lot, you argue turnover from the beginning of one season to the next. If you want to say there wasn't much, you argue from the end of the season to start of the following. To be fair, I think you have to ignore 4th liners and depth guys. There's always a ton of turnover there and it doesn't carry much weight.

My biggest issue is that we have too many slow forwards playing big minutes. I just don't think that can be ignored. We'll see soon enough, but the wait is killing me!

2 Big Reasons ROR wanted out of Colorado:

1. Wanted to Play Center ONLY
2. Thought he should have been named Captain

How do you think he will react next season if the Sabres try to through both at him. Keeping him to play center with Jack as Captain is at-least Do-Able, moving him to wing as well and forget about trade value, that will plummet because he will publicly be asking for a trade.
I'm not saying trade him now for nothing but I think LW is out of the question no matter how you spin it.
- Sabrehagan

These are the things the RoR sympathizers refuse to acknowledge while repeating how good he is.

He can be a great player and also not be a fit for the team.

We aren’t trading him for no reason, and we won’t blow up if he’s here next season.

If he gets moved it will be for something that makes the team better

The market conditions are PERFECT right now for trading ROR for a massive haul.

After Tavares, there is no one even in the same ballpark as ROR talent-wise...regardless of your opinion on his ability to be a 1C. Combine that with a bunch of teams looking for a potential 1C....you are looking at the chance to really make the return count.

As far as the top 6 goes
Eichel is a fixture, ROR is a very good 2C, Reinhart is decent winger, especially if he produces closer to the last half of season, Okposo is a) virtually unmoveable, b) coming off a recovery season..so hopefully he gets back on track.
Realistically, hat leaves 2 LW spots to fill...hopefully JBotts can find suitable players externally...im good with that.
If ROR moves, then he needs to fill that...likely with Mitts.
That is 33% - 50% change...pretty significant.

Top 4 D...Obviously Dahlin...and I am advocating for a #2 RHD to mentor Dahlin...Anton Stralman would be perfect for 2 - 3 years.
That i s 50% change.

All that and moving only ROR... or not!
- IonSabres

I've pitched the same idea before. I like the idea of bringing in a veteran to pair with him, Bieksa stuck out to me as a UFA. For whatever reason, the vets on this team are all quiet, mild mannered guys. I wouldn't mind seeing that shook up.

Turnover is a funny thing. If you want to say there's a lot, you argue turnover from the beginning of one season to the next. If you want to say there wasn't much, you argue from the end of the season to start of the following. To be fair, I think you have to ignore 4th liners and depth guys. There's always a ton of turnover there and it doesn't carry much weight.

My biggest issue is that we have too many slow forwards playing big minutes. I just don't think that can be ignored. We'll see soon enough, but the wait is killing me!
- Lunaion

Me too, killing me, lol.
I guess I look at the next 2 seasons, not just this one for the changes to occur.

After Tavares, there is no one even in the same ballpark as ROR talent-wise..
- feetontheair22

probably false

The market conditions are PERFECT right now for trading ROR for a massive haul.

After Tavares, there is no one even in the same ballpark as ROR talent-wise...regardless of your opinion on his ability to be a 1C. Combine that with a bunch of teams looking for a potential 1C....you are looking at the chance to really make the return count.
- feetontheair22

Good.
Get a great package back tomimproved thdd team!

I just saw this question posed on another site and it actually stumped me:

Which Canadian team has the worst GM?

Montreal
Ottawa
Calgary
Edmonton

I mean Calgary's GM is probably the best of those but of the other 3 they are just all Awful. Until I saw this question I never really paid attention enough to realize that the worst GMs in the NHL are all from Canadian Teams. I don't know for sure, who do you guess think is the worst?

I just saw this question posed on another site and it actually stumped me:

Which Canadian team has the worst GM?

Montreal
Ottawa
Calgary
Edmonton

I mean Calgary's GM is probably the best of those but of the other 3 they are just all Awful. Until I saw this question I never really paid attention enough to realize that the worst GMs in the NHL are all from Canadian Teams. I don't know for sure, who do you guess think is the worst?
- Sabrehagan

I would have said ol' Chuckles in Edmonton.....but this latest "Galy for Domi" trade bumped Marc-E-Marc and the Habby Bunch up to the top of my board.

I just saw this question posed on another site and it actually stumped me:

Which Canadian team has the worst GM?

Montreal
Ottawa
Calgary
Edmonton

I mean Calgary's GM is probably the best of those but of the other 3 they are just all Awful. Until I saw this question I never really paid attention enough to realize that the worst GMs in the NHL are all from Canadian Teams. I don't know for sure, who do you guess think is the worst?
- Sabrehagan

Bergy and Dorion are battling it out ... but Ottawa's situation thrust upon him recently isnt his fault....and he has an internal budget to contend with.
Berg is walking away with it in my mind.