No. We should keep Sparks and trade McBackup. He'll be worth more in net then what he might get from a potential trade.
- TrashPanda

Talking about getting Hanifin here. They can take both and the Leafs can sign a UFA to be the back-up. I don't see Sparks being a big difference maker in the NHL. He's a huge body but he's a back-up at best. Much, much, much rather have a top pairing D like Hanifin.

Dorion still has leverage if Karlsson is okay with signing an extension, which now that Hoffman is gone, is a lot more likely. 80+ million over 8 years can become very convincing. If they keep their payroll in check, they can afford to keep him and they did just clear millions in salary.
- Unholy_Goalie

Karlsson is so franking gone it's unreal.

No way in hell he is staying in Ottawa. He hates the owner. He hates the way the Owner treated Alfie.

Picking up the puck was a statement.

Wow, I think that's the best compliment I could've received
- matt1337

But if the Leafs could find a way to get Bouchard for the same price, I'd rather do that though.

But getting a 21 year old potentially top pairing, all around D like Hanifin would be great at that price. I'm shocked BINGO would agree to that. Hopefully the Hurricanes are willing to make the same mistake.

Karlsson is so franking gone it's unreal.

No way in hell he is staying in Ottawa. He hates the owner. He hates the way the Owner treated Alfie.

Picking up the puck was a statement.
- Atomic Wedgie

as was publicly standing up for his wife.

No. We should keep Sparks and trade McBackup. He'll be worth more in net then what he might get from a potential trade.
- TrashPanda

McBackup had unreal numbers last year. Top 3 in the league for GAA and sv% for all goalies playing more than 10 games.

And you know what his trade value is? Nothing.

We won't get squat for either in a trade. So the brass needs to decide who will be better in the nets next year, and keep that guy.

Karlsson is so franking gone it's unreal.

No way in hell he is staying in Ottawa. He hates the owner. He hates the way the Owner treated Alfie.

Picking up the puck was a statement.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would be surprised if he hasn't demanded a trade.

as was publicly standing up for his wife.
- Tumbleweed

I think he did that, because he is an actual human being...

I think he did that, because he is an actual human being...
- PatC80

as a public figure, you have take in to account what effect your actions will.

100% did the right thing. but some guys could have 'left in the room'.

Karlsson is so franking gone it's unreal.

No way in hell he is staying in Ottawa. He hates the owner. He hates the way the Owner treated Alfie.

Picking up the puck was a statement.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think there's a very high chance that he is indeed gone. But if the money is big enough on the table, he might take it even if it is to get him moved quicker.

I know you hate the idea of a sign and trade but if a team is trying to acquire Karlsson, they might pull the trigger faster if he has a contract beyond next year and the Senators would be more willing to move him quicker if they got better value for him in return. And if you're Karlsson and you don't want to suffer another season in Ottawa before you have freedom, maybe it's a consideration.

McBackup had unreal numbers last year. Top 3 in the league for GAA and sv% for all goalies playing more than 10 games.

And you know what his trade value is? Nothing.

We won't get squat for either in a trade. So the brass needs to decide who will be better in the nets next year, and keep that guy.
- Atomic Wedgie

It's also because McElhinney's career numbers are average or worse and he's 35. Everybody knows he overachieved. Sparks might have a tad bit of value given his success in the AHL and teams like Carolina have rolled the dice on less accomplished goalies before.

Either way, they can both get traded and the Leafs could sign a UFA to be the back-up. Cam Ward hasn't been that great lately but he could play 25-30 games very easily and he's always played great in Toronto. Replacing the back-ups would be relatively easy.

If McKenzie is right about the Leafs preparing a tribute/welcome video to get Tavares, do they offer Tavares the 'C'?
In the middle of the presentation, does Shanahan stand up, and put on a #91 Maple Leafs jersey with Tavares' name on the back and the C on the front.

I think there's a very high chance that he is indeed gone. But if the money is big enough on the table, he might take it even if it is to get him moved quicker.

I know you hate the idea of a sign and trade but if a team is trying to acquire Karlsson, they might pull the trigger faster if he has a contract beyond next year and the Senators would be more willing to move him quicker if they got better value for him in return. And if you're Karlsson and you don't want to suffer another season in Ottawa before you have freedom, maybe it's a consideration.
- Unholy_Goalie

Karlsson was treated very poorly by the Sens, why would he want to help them in any way? He's gone, and he won't get the return that he's worth.

I think there's a very high chance that he is indeed gone. But if the money is big enough on the table, he might take it even if it is to get him moved quicker.

I know you hate the idea of a sign and trade but if a team is trying to acquire Karlsson, they might pull the trigger faster if he has a contract beyond next year and the Senators would be more willing to move him quicker if they got better value for him in return. And if you're Karlsson and you don't want to suffer another season in Ottawa before you have freedom, maybe it's a consideration.
- Unholy_Goalie

You're an awfully big fan of pointing out when people propose poop that has never actually happened before.

So please give me a single example of a "sign and trade" happening in the NHL.

Until then, go frank a unicorn.

Yeah, you saw what I did there.

as a public figure, you have take in to account what effect your actions will.

100% did the right thing. but some guys could have 'left in the room'.
- Tumbleweed

He also knows that by making it public, it forces the Senators to get rid of Hoffman as soon as possible in hopes of keeping Karlsson.

I think there's a very high chance that he is indeed gone. But if the money is big enough on the table, he might take it even if it is to get him moved quicker.

I know you hate the idea of a sign and trade but if a team is trying to acquire Karlsson, they might pull the trigger faster if he has a contract beyond next year and the Senators would be more willing to move him quicker if they got better value for him in return. And if you're Karlsson and you don't want to suffer another season in Ottawa before you have freedom, maybe it's a consideration.
- Unholy_Goalie

he can't sign until july 1.

if it's a sign and trade, it'll probably be a deal like for freddy, where he signs a deal the day he's traded. all the details will have been worked out.

Karlsson was treated very poorly by the Sens, why would he want to help them in any way? He's gone, and he won't get the return that he's worth.
- TrashPanda

I'm not saying he's helping them as much as he's helping himself get traded quicker.

he can't sign until july 1.

if it's a sign and trad, it'll probably be a deal like for freddy, where he signs a deal the day he's traded. all the details will have been worked out.
- Tumbleweed

That makes sense.

He also knows that by making it public, it forces the Senators to get rid of Hoffman as soon as possible in hopes of keeping Karlsson.
- Unholy_Goalie

He didn't make it public.

They had a parking lot confrontation at the end of the season, and then a crime reporter broke the story based upon the filing of the peace bond.

Quit trying to turn this into a Machiavellian thing - nobody thinks about trade implications before denouncing someone who has wished your unborn child dead.

He also knows that by making it public, it forces the Senators to get rid of Hoffman as soon as possible in hopes of keeping Karlsson.
- Unholy_Goalie

They still have to get rid of Hoffman to keep the other players happy, even after trading Karlsson is a foregone conclusion.

You're an awfully big fan of pointing out when people propose poop that has never actually happened before.

So please give me a single example of a "sign and trade" happening in the NHL.

Until then, go frank a unicorn.

Yeah, you saw what I did there.
- Atomic Wedgie

As Tumbleweed just mentioned, you think Andersen was acquired and then the contract was worked out or the contract was already negotiated and then the trade was made and officially signed after the deal was done?

I never claimed it was a common occurrence but if the Senators are negotiating a deal with another team, Karlsson signing a long extension makes that trade happen a lot faster and if Karlsson truly wants to get out as quick as possible, signing that contract could get it done quicker rather than suffering through 70% of another season and getting moved at the deadline.

I'm not saying he's helping them as much as he's helping himself get traded quicker.
- Unholy_Goalie

There you go again.

There is a long list of NHL teams that want Karlsson, he could be traded this afternoon. Signing a new deal does nothing to help.

As Tumbleweed just mentioned, you think Andersen was acquired and then the contract was worked out or the contract was already negotiated and then the trade was made and officially signed after the deal was done?

I never claimed it was a common occurrence but if the Senators are negotiating a deal with another team, Karlsson signing a long extension makes that trade happen a lot faster and if Karlsson truly wants to get out as quick as possible, signing that contract could get it done quicker rather than suffering through 70% of another season and getting moved at the deadline.
- Unholy_Goalie

You've missed the point of Tumbles' post.

He won't ever put a pen to a paper with a Senators logo on it.

A trade and sign? Sure.

A sign and trade? No franking way.

He didn't make it public.

They had a parking lot confrontation at the end of the season, and then a crime reporter broke the story based upon the filing of the peace bond.

Quit trying to turn this into a Machiavellian thing - nobody thinks about trade implications before denouncing someone who has wished your unborn child dead.
- Atomic Wedgie

Parking lots are pretty public spaces.

Once it got out, they weren't as quiet as they could have been about it.

Nobody said he thought about trade implications before the denouncing. Doesn't mean it didn't cross his mind afterward either though.

There you go again.

There is a long list of NHL teams that want Karlsson, he could be traded this afternoon. Signing a new deal does nothing to help.
- TrashPanda

Yes it does because if the Senators don't get what they think is good value, he has to play more games in Ottawa. If he agrees to sign a deal, he can get moved faster than if he sits on just the 1 year left on his deal.

If McKenzie is right about the Leafs preparing a tribute/welcome video to get Tavares, do they offer Tavares the 'C'?
In the middle of the presentation, does Shanahan stand up, and put on a #91 Maple Leafs jersey with Tavares' name on the back and the C on the front.
- PatC80

That plus enough canadian tire money to buy casa loma.