Tkachuk at 3 is wildy wrong.
- tomburton99

But it's Bergevin, so...

can link you link something from somewhere that says that?

the only negative I have seen anywhere is that he's an "ok skater" not great

I have not read one thing that says he is terrible in his own end
- jimbro83

He's not.

But it's Bergevin, so...
- eichiefs9

You check matted me.

Nobody was suggesting he was center. Idk what that means.
- tomburton99

"For example, while Zadina is still very much a consensus top-five pick, relative to the other prospects, five of 10 scouts surveyed by TSN ranked him outside their top five. Five scouts had him in the top five, including three of them at No. 3, but he had three 6’s, a 7 and a 9 as well. That’s a far cry from the mid-season polling, when all of Zadina’s marks came in between 2 and 4."

In this article and others I've seen he is falling due to the fact that there is a premium on centers (I.E. Kotkaniemi). The fact that A) He is not a center and B) There is a shortage of top-end centers in the draft is causing him to slip in some rankings is what i was pointing out.

He's not.
- tomburton99

everything I read is that he's a good all-around defenseman who was usually out there defending against the other team's top forwards

"For example, while Zadina is still very much a consensus top-five pick, relative to the other prospects, five of 10 scouts surveyed by TSN ranked him outside their top five. Five scouts had him in the top five, including three of them at No. 3, but he had three 6’s, a 7 and a 9 as well. That’s a far cry from the mid-season polling, when all of Zadina’s marks came in between 2 and 4."

In this article and others I've seen he is falling due to the fact that there is a premium on centers (I.E. Kotkaniemi). The fact that A) He is not a center and B) There is a shortage of top-end centers in the draft is causing him to slip in some rankings is what i was pointing out.
- picklerick

Kotkaniemi spent the enitre year playing LW in the Liiga. The year before he was a center. Saying that people just found Zadina isn't a center, is wrong. All you had to do was watch Halifax games, where he was eitehr on Somppi's or Groulx's wing. In addition to that he was a winger for Martin Necas at the WJC.

"For example, while Zadina is still very much a consensus top-five pick, relative to the other prospects, five of 10 scouts surveyed by TSN ranked him outside their top five. Five scouts had him in the top five, including three of them at No. 3, but he had three 6’s, a 7 and a 9 as well. That’s a far cry from the mid-season polling, when all of Zadina’s marks came in between 2 and 4."

In this article and others I've seen he is falling due to the fact that there is a premium on centers (I.E. Kotkaniemi). The fact that A) He is not a center and B) There is a shortage of top-end centers in the draft is causing him to slip in some rankings is what i was pointing out.
- picklerick

In case there were too many words in the article for you, see below. It's about 19 words and has a few commas in it but I think you got it

"Scouts tend to be positionally biased. Centres and defencemen, generally speaking, tend to be more highly valued than wingers."

everything I read is that he's a good all-around defenseman who was usually out there defending against the other team's top forwards
- jimbro83

And in terms of skating, he's not bad. Stright line ability is on par. Where he struggles is when he has to stop and start, he can work on that though.

Kotkaniemi spent the enitre year playing LW in the Liiga. The year before he was a center. Saying that people just found Zadina isn't a center, is wrong. All you had to do was watch Halifax games, where he was eitehr on Somppi's or Groulx's wing. In addition to that he was a winger for Martin Necas at the WJC.
- tomburton99

I'm not actually saying nobody realized he wasn't a center

I'm saying it's silly that it's just now affecting rankingss

can link you link something from somewhere that says that?

the only negative I have seen anywhere is that he's an "ok skater" not great

I have not read one thing that says he is terrible in his own end
- jimbro83

https://www.google.com/am...wahlstrom-farabee-tkachuk

Terrible in his own end was a bad way to describe him, I take that back but this is what I’ve read in more than 1 place about his defensive play:

For all the good that’s here, the only major question mark that still remains about Bouchard is whether or not he plays a little too calm out on the ice, specifically in the defensive zone. There were a number of instances this season where Bouchard looked flat-out lackadaisical in his own end, floating around nonchalantly and failing to break the cycle or prevent scoring chances against. He doesn’t need to be a Tasmanian Devil in the defensive zone to be effective, but he does need to do a better job of getting into lanes and tying up and boxing out opposing forwards, which should be easy enough for him to do because of his big frame. It needs to be mentioned here, however, that Bouchard logged a ridiculous amount of ice time for London this season, so perhaps some of this subdued play was the result of simple exhaustion. Surrounding Bouchard with a better defense group and reducing his minutes a little might help alleviate this problem, but that’s still something that’s not fully determined.

I'm not actually saying nobody realized he wasn't a center

I'm saying it's silly that it's just now affecting rankingss
- picklerick

He just won’t stop, we get what ur saying he’s like the nat that buzzes around and u can never seem to smack it away

He just won’t stop, we get what ur saying he’s like the nat that buzzes around and u can never seem to smack it away
- nyrangers9479

Like a Marchand that can't score?

Like a Marchand that can't score?
- picklerick

If he licks me all bets are off

Another one:

https://www.google.com/am...w-york-rangers-defenseman

Brock Otten, OHL Prospects:

“I do have some questions about his ability to defend and win battles consistently in the corners. But I have zero questions about his hockey sense.”

He creates goals for his team, and isn’t too shabby in the defensive end, either. It’s extremely hard to make dramatic improvements in skating ability, but if he can improve even from a C+ skater to a B- skater, then that will make a major difference. His defending also needs work, though as I said he’s already earned London Head Coach Dale Hunter’s trust in tough minutes.

Like a Marchand that can't score?
- picklerick

Worse.

Worse.
- nyrangers9479

ANYWAY.... If Zadina can be had after #3 I think it's something we'd have to be all-in on. The end.

If he licks me all bets are off
- picklerick

Did you just quote yourself?

Did you just quote yourself?
- tomburton99

What i do in my personal time is none of your business

Another one:

https://www.google.com/am...w-york-rangers-defenseman

Brock Otten, OHL Prospects:

“I do have some questions about his ability to defend and win battles consistently in the corners. But I have zero questions about his hockey sense.”

He creates goals for his team, and isn’t too shabby in the defensive end, either. It’s extremely hard to make dramatic improvements in skating ability, but if he can improve even from a C+ skater to a B- skater, then that will make a major difference. His defending also needs work, though as I said he’s already earned London Head Coach Dale Hunter’s trust in tough minutes.
- nyrangers9479

So you just contradicted yourself?

So you jsut contradicted yourself?
- tomburton99

In the end, I think Bouchard can go as high as 4 or as low as 10. In either event, I think he is a real good damn prospect (not perfect), and peoples' views on particular players are fluid so you never know how things turn out. If Dobson didn't have the opportunity to play in the Memorial Cup his stock would have likely stayed static in the 9-12 type range. Now he's a riser because he had that opportunity and did well with it.

In the end, I think Bouchard can go as high as 4 or as low as 10. In either event, I think he is a real good damn prospect (not perfect), and peoples' views on particular players are fluid so you never know how things turn out. If Dobson didn't have the opportunity to play in the Memorial Cup his stock would have likely stayed static in the 9-12 type range. Now he's a riser because he had that opportunity and did well with it.
- Pete V

Rasmus Dahlin is perfect, the rest are not.

Rasmus Dahlin is perfect, the rest are not.
- tomburton99

I don't get it. Where did anyone say he isn't perfect? The implication that anyone thinks that is wrong.

So you just contradicted yourself?
- tomburton99

Can u not read?

I don't get it. Where did anyone say he isn't perfect? The implication that anyone thinks that is wrong.
- picklerick

I said he's Perfect.

Can u not read?
- nyrangers9479

I can. You said he's terrible in his own end. Those articles say that at moments he lacks conctration and is a C+ sakter.