Yamamoto, Klefbom, Lucic and the 10th sounds sufficiently Chiarelli.
- Wildschwein

Ottawa should join the OHL if they accept that deal. What a TERRIBLE deal for them.

Ottawa should join the OHL if they accept that deal. What a TERRIBLE deal for them.
- JVince11

And yet it guts the Oilers as well. Best prospect, best two way defender and best pick all shipped out.

And yet it guts the Oilers as well. Best prospect, best two way defender and best pick all shipped out.
- Wildschwein

Doesn't really gut us as neither the 10th or Yamo have done anything for this club.

Getting Karlsson would be quite big for the club. Rather that then moving LD+ for Karlsson

Yamamoto, Klefbom, Lucic and the 10th sounds sufficiently Chiarelli.
- Wildschwein

for one year of Karlsson

Doesn't really gut us as neither the 10th or Yamo have done anything for this club.

Getting Karlsson would be quite big for the club. Rather that then moving LD+ for Karlsson
- Lahey

As of now they haven’t. I’m not confident the same will said come the next expansion draft.

And yet it guts the Oilers as well. Best prospect, best two way defender and best pick all shipped out.
- Wildschwein

Not saying it isn't EDM's best options but Ottawa could probably get better pieces.

They would be taking on a top 5 NHL worst contract in Lucic plus Klefbom's inflated contract to account for 10.1M for the next 5 years. They are trying to lessen cap burden not take on more.

The high draft pick is the best piece of the puzzle. I just think they get an offer where they don't have to take back 10M and like another deal more. Drake, Puljujarvi, or Slepy would have to be packaged as well IMO to take back those contracts.

Doesn't really gut us as neither the 10th or Yamo have done anything for this club.

Getting Karlsson would be quite big for the club. Rather that then moving LD+ for Karlsson
- Lahey

Yet it sends two or three of our most valuable trade pieces away leaving us with little choice but to fill out offense with UFAs or question marks. Also serves to cut further into our organizational depth. I certainly love the idea of Karlsson on the team but it presents a lot of chllanges in practice- challenges that could limit the potential of the team.

Not saying it isn't EDM's best options but Ottawa could probably get better pieces.

They would be taking on a top 5 NHL worst contract in Lucic plus Klefbom's inflated contract to account for 10.1M for the next 5 years. They are trying to lessen cap burden not take on more.

The high draft pick is the best piece of the puzzle. I just think they get an offer where they don't have to take back 10M and like another deal more. Drake, Puljujarvi, or Slepy would have to be packaged as well IMO to take back those contracts.
- JVince11

I won't comment on anything else but how in God's name is Klefbom's contract inflated? 4.16 for a guy who- despite last year's struggles- is at least a solid #2 or a very good #3.

Not saying it isn't EDM's best options but Ottawa could probably get better pieces.

They would be taking on a top 5 NHL worst contract in Lucic plus Klefbom's inflated contract to account for 10.1M for the next 5 years. They are trying to lessen cap burden not take on more.

The high draft pick is the best piece of the puzzle. I just think they get an offer where they don't have to take back 10M and like another deal more. Drake, Puljujarvi, or Slepy would have to be packaged as well IMO to take back those contracts.
- JVince11

Yeah, sorry, I don't want to be "that guy" either, but you do realize Klefbom is making about what Scandella is, and much less than Bogo or Risto. Also, to lump poolparty in with Drake and Slepy, in any blanket statement, is a complete red flag to your knowledge of the Oilers at all, and possibly hockey in general.

Yet it sends two or three of our most valuable trade pieces away leaving us with little choice but to fill out offense with UFAs or question marks. Also serves to cut further into our organizational depth. I certainly love the idea of Karlsson on the team but it presents a lot of chllanges in practice- challenges that could limit the potential of the team.
- MaximumBone

IF you are trading for a #1 d-man what do you really expect?

Yeah, sorry, I don't want to be "that guy" either, but you do realize Klefbom is making about what Scandella is, and much less than Bogo or Risto. Also, to lump poolparty in with Drake and Slepy, in any blanket statement, is a complete red flag to your knowledge of the Oilers at all, and possibly hockey in general.
- Beergu

My red flag of hockey knowledge but yet EDM thinks that Ottawa is just going to take Lucic's f'n terrible beyond all means and top 5 worst NHL contract currently in exchange for 2 time Norris Trophy winner Karlsson.

Good call there. No one is going to trade their prized possession for your scraps.

Is Justin Faulk not the right pick for Edmonton? Probably reasonable cost and nice cap to add some skill on the right side.

My red flag of hockey knowledge but yet EDM thinks that Ottawa is just going to take Lucic's f'n terrible beyond all means and top 5 worst NHL contract currently in exchange for 2 time Norris Trophy winner Karlsson.

Good call there. No one is going to trade their prized possession for your scraps.
- JVince11

Just to be clear, it wasn’t my intention to insinuate that Ottawa would accept such a deal for Karlsson. Rather I was only suggesting that Chiarelli would almost certainly be willing to ship out most every significant Oiler asset to acquire him.

My red flag of hockey knowledge but yet EDM thinks that Ottawa is just going to take Lucic's f'n terrible beyond all means and top 5 worst NHL contract currently in exchange for 2 time Norris Trophy winner Karlsson.

Good call there. No one is going to trade their prized possession for your scraps.
- JVince11

My comment was only aimed at your "inflated contract" statement, which made no sense when talking about Klefbom. Lucic's contract is a train wreck, as it was the second that it was signed. I can't see a fit in this Karlsson roomer anyway, as there is no way that Edm could give up that list of assets unless Karlsson was already extended, and then I can't see how Edm could make it work having McD/Drai/Karlsson making over 30 mil combined.

Is Justin Faulk not the right pick for Edmonton? Probably reasonable cost and nice cap to add some skill on the right side.
- Blazed

As always the best answer here is "It depends." Faulk would be a good second pairing option with a more responsible partner. For those who put stock in the numbers Faulk does have a positive impact on the possession numbers of those on the ice with him.

Is Justin Faulk not the right pick for Edmonton? Probably reasonable cost and nice cap to add some skill on the right side.
- Blazed

No, for what undoubtedly won't be the last time, he has a consistent and significant negative effect on his team at 5-on-5, his PP production doesn't make up for thatt and the cost to acquire him would make him even less desirable.

My red flag of hockey knowledge but yet EDM thinks that Ottawa is just going to take Lucic's f'n terrible beyond all means and top 5 worst NHL contract currently in exchange for 2 time Norris Trophy winner Karlsson.

Good call there. No one is going to trade their prized possession for your scraps.
- JVince11

Nobody said that. We just expressed varying levels of disinterest in such a deal or questioned some of your other statements that showed a lack of understanding of EDMs assets. This is a you problem.

As always the best answer here is "It depends." Faulk would be a good second pairing option with a more responsible partner. For those who put stock in the numbers Faulk does have a positive impact on the possession numbers of those on the ice with him.
- freelancer

More accurately, a heavily-sheltered 2nd pairing (may as well be 3rd pairing) who will be exploited by opposing coaches and produce very negative results at 5-on-5 only to not make up for that on the PP.

IF you are trading for a #1 d-man what do you really expect?
- Lahey

I think that's exactly my point. Trading for a #1 Dman is a fool's errand as you're going to surrender more assets than the player is likely worth. The aim should be acquiring and drafting these guys BEFORE they reach the level of #1.

More accurately, a heavily-sheltered 2nd pairing (may as well be 3rd pairing) who will be exploited by opposing coaches and produce very negative results at 5-on-5 only to not make up for that on the PP.
- MaximumBone

So he’s Justin Schultz with better hair is what you’re saying.

So he’s Justin Schultz with better hair is what you’re saying.
- Wildschwein

No, he's worse than Schultz.

Or maybe they're the same and Carolina's coach was just worse at sheltering Faulk than Pittsburgh's was at sheltering Schultz.

My point is that I see a strong negative theme with Faulk, one that'll require a deft hand and some expert sheltering by his coach in order for him to succeed. Considering who we have as our head coach, I can be confident it wouldn't work out.

I think that's exactly my point. Trading for a #1 Dman is a fool's errand as you're going to surrender more assets than the player is likely worth. The aim should be acquiring and drafting these guys BEFORE they reach the level of #1.
- MaximumBone

Did you miss the Chris Pronger days?

A #1 d-man can change your team significantly. Back then Brewer, Lynch and Woywitka was quite the haul too.

No, he's worse than Schultz.

Or maybe they're the same and Carolina's coach was just worse at sheltering Faulk than Pittsburgh's was at sheltering Schultz.

My point is that I see a strong negative theme with Faulk, one that'll require a deft hand and some expert sheltering by his coach in order for him to succeed. Considering who we have as our head coach, I can be confident it wouldn't work out.
- MaximumBone

Okay. But let me ask one more question. Considering the Oilers current crop of right hand D after Larsson, would Faulk be better or worse than those home grown alternatives, specifically as part of the second pairing?

So he’s Justin Schultz with better hair is what you’re saying.
- Wildschwein

Faulk is far superior to Schultz. Faulk could be a whole blog conversation but he has gotten a bum rap in Carolina. Schultz has a negative impact possession wise on most of his teammates while Faulk improves them. Last year Faulk had a poor season and a career low S%. Consider the group around Faulk and more specifically the goaltender behind him. I think Faulk could really thrive in a system away from Carolina.

Faulk is far superior to Schultz. Faulk could be a whole blog conversation but he has gotten a bum rap in Carolina. Schultz has a negative impact possession wise on most of his teammates while Faulk improves them. Last year Faulk had a poor season and a career low S%. Consider the group around Faulk and more specifically the goaltender behind him. I think Faulk could really thrive in a system away from Carolina.
- freelancer

I’m sensing the need for a “BLOG BATTLE” between you and Bone concerning Faulk.