Trouba is a little overrated in my opinion. He would fetch a massive return. After 5 seasons of 20+ minutes average, he has just one season over 30 points (33), and a whopping 3 points in 17 games this playoff run. The guy skates with the best of them, but at 24, I don't see him turning into a perrenial 45pt+ per season guy. Trade him and use that money to shore up the rest of the crew. Poolman and Niku are both due for some TOI and Trouba can fetch us a very high first round pick which is good for 3 years of cheap hockey!!!

Trouba is a little overrated in my opinion. He would fetch a massive return. After 5 seasons of 20+ minutes average, he has just one season over 30 points (33), and a whopping 3 points in 17 games this playoff run. The guy skates with the best of them, but at 24, I don't see him turning into a perrenial 45pt+ per season guy. Trade him and use that money to shore up the rest of the crew. Poolman and Niku are both due for some TOI and Trouba can fetch us a very high first round pick which is good for 3 years of cheap hockey!!!
- bikeguy99

aquiring a first round pick is a step backwards for the Jets at this point. Rule #1 when building a team - try to keep the good players.

This is super easy information to find. Don’t even need “advanced stats” to it figure out.
- Rexypoo

There is more to hockey than stats (advanced, simple, or even made up).
As an example, Armia kills penalties. Petan and Dano do not.

Armia slots in nicely as a bottom 6 forward. He can play there for the rest of his career. What you see is what you get.
Petan needs to be a top 6 forward, but it won't be here and frankly, I am not sure that I can see any team that would play him in the top 6. Good AHL player and that's about it.
As for Dano, I just don't see what you see in him. He had one good stretch in 2014-15 and done very little since.
Paul Maurice and his staff are smarter hockey men than I am, possibly even smarter than you. They prefer Armia.

aquiring a first round pick is a step backwards for the Jets at this point. Rule #1 when building a team - try to keep the good players.
- 2.0

Agreed. Our window to win is in the next 2-3 seasons.

Agreed. Our window to win is in the next 2-3 seasons.
- bennythehat

I think our window is much longer than this.

I think our window is much longer than this.
- Ross77

A) it’s not as if the other 30 teams are sitting back and doing nothing to improve their lineups.
B) after 3 or so seasons, Wheeler and Buff will be not the same impact players that they are today.

I think our window is much longer than this.
- Ross77

Once the Laine and Connor contracts kick in after RFA status ends we will need to part with some talent. I agree that our best window is in the 1-3 year time span and then it gets more difficult.

Once the Laine and Connor contracts kick in after RFA status ends we will need to part with some talent. I agree that our best window is in the 1-3 year time span and then it gets more difficult.
- jetsnation

Scheifele's contract is the window. When that is up so is our window.

A) it’s not as if the other 30 teams are sitting back and doing nothing to improve their lineups.
B) after 3 or so seasons, Wheeler and Buff will be not the same impact players that they are today.
- bennythehat

Yes about wheeler and buff but Connor, ehlers, Laine, Roslovic, Trouba, Morrisey, and hopefully Helle are not even in their prime yet and will continue to improve for the next 1-4 years. Shiefele won’t be slowing down anytime soon either.

And people said the window had closed on Washington. A good well built team can have a 10 year window. Let’s not put a 3 year cap on ours

Yes about wheeler and buff but Connor, ehlers, Laine, Roslovic, Trouba, Morrisey, and hopefully Helle are not even in their prime yet and will continue to improve for the next 1-4 years. Shiefele won’t be slowing down anytime soon either.
- Ross77

Wheeler, Schiefele, and Buff drive the bus. The rest are passengers and I am not sure that I see a future driver in the rest of the young talent. I hope I am wrong.

Wheeler, Schiefele, and Buff drive the bus. The rest are passengers and I am not sure that I see a future driver in the rest of the young talent. I hope I am wrong.
- bennythehat

Those are some mighty good passengers and look what happened to the moose when Roslovic left, I’d say he is going to be a good driver

#14, a 2nd, a 3rd, Robert hagg for Trouba and a 5th
- Just5

two 1sts is the going rate for #1 defencemen

If you want to keep Stasney, we will have to trade Trouba. Who would you rather have?

There is more to hockey than stats (advanced, simple, or even made up).
As an example, Armia kills penalties. Petan and Dano do not.

Armia slots in nicely as a bottom 6 forward. He can play there for the rest of his career. What you see is what you get.
Petan needs to be a top 6 forward, but it won't be here and frankly, I am not sure that I can see any team that would play him in the top 6. Good AHL player and that's about it.
As for Dano, I just don't see what you see in him. He had one good stretch in 2014-15 and done very little since.
Paul Maurice and his staff are smarter hockey men than I am, possibly even smarter than you. They prefer Armia.
- bennythehat

Yeah, but Armia isn’t a good penalty killer. He’s actually kinda bad. Both Dano and Petan have outperformed him at every opportunity while getting fewer minutes, and being younger.

Trouba is a little overrated in my opinion. He would fetch a massive return. After 5 seasons of 20+ minutes average, he has just one season over 30 points (33), and a whopping 3 points in 17 games this playoff run. The guy skates with the best of them, but at 24, I don't see him turning into a perrenial 45pt+ per season guy. Trade him and use that money to shore up the rest of the crew. Poolman and Niku are both due for some TOI and Trouba can fetch us a very high first round pick which is good for 3 years of cheap hockey!!!
- bikeguy99

Trouba is our #1 dman. Overrated ceiling or not, we can’t be without him unless there’s an equally talented replacement coming back.

If you want to keep Stasney, we will have to trade Trouba. Who would you rather have?
- sparky1957

A 33 year old 2nd line center... or a 24 year old top pairing dman... decisions

If you want to keep Stasney, we will have to trade Trouba. Who would you rather have?
- sparky1957

Trouba and it’s not close

Yeah, but Armia isn’t a good penalty killer. He’s actually kinda bad. Both Dano and Petan have outperformed him at every opportunity while getting fewer minutes, and being younger.
- Rexypoo

There were only a few games that I did not see either in person or on TV during the season.....those must have been the games that Dano/Petan looked good in.

There were only a few games that I did not see either in person or on TV during the season.....those must have been the games that Dano/Petan looked good in.
- bennythehat

They’ve looked good in literally every game away from Thorburn or Hendricks. And a handful with them. I also put more faith in empirical evidence than I do in a hat’s opinion

Trouba is our #1 dman. Overrated ceiling or not, we can’t be without him unless there’s an equally talented replacement coming back.
- Rexypoo

OK then, just saying the #1 D on the team was behind both Meyers and Buff in points this season. Hard to argue that Trouba is better than Buff, when the big guy has 7 seasons 45+ points and Trouba has 5 seasons and just a high of 33. I get he may be the most valuable trad-able D on the team, but I'd argue he's the best. My point is, if he gets some rediculas (hypothetical 7x7) contract, where does that leave Morrissey, Connor, Helle, Stastny. I agree Trouba is a very good D in the league, but the Jets will have a huge window of opportunity if they keep those kids for the long haul. If chevy can instead move Little and Meyers out, then hey, keep Trouba.

OK then, just saying the #1 D on the team was behind both Meyers and Buff in points this season. Hard to argue that Trouba is better than Buff, when the big guy has 7 seasons 45+ points and Trouba has 5 seasons and just a high of 33. I get he may be the most valuable trad-able D on the team, but I'd argue he's the best. My point is, if he gets some rediculas (hypothetical 7x7) contract, where does that leave Morrissey, Connor, Helle, Stastny. I agree Trouba is a very good D in the league, but the Jets will have a huge window of opportunity if they keep those kids for the long haul. If chevy can instead move Little and Meyers out, then hey, keep Trouba.
- bikeguy99

I dont know the answer so maybe somebody can share but what are Myers, buff and trouba’s 5v5 points. This would be fair when assessing points since Trouba gets zero pp time. You also have to remember Trouba Morrisey were our shut down pair this year, always being put out against the other teams best. I for one think if Myers is forced to play consistently against the other teams top line he would start looking like Sergei Bautin but maybe that’s just me.

OK then, just saying the #1 D on the team was behind both Meyers and Buff in points this season. Hard to argue that Trouba is better than Buff, when the big guy has 7 seasons 45+ points and Trouba has 5 seasons and just a high of 33. I get he may be the most valuable trad-able D on the team, but I'd argue he's the best. My point is, if he gets some rediculas (hypothetical 7x7) contract, where does that leave Morrissey, Connor, Helle, Stastny. I agree Trouba is a very good D in the league, but the Jets will have a huge window of opportunity if they keep those kids for the long haul. If chevy can instead move Little and Meyers out, then hey, keep Trouba.
- bikeguy99

You’re right. Points are all that matter when you play defence. I suppose Morrissey is also trade bait as he doesn’t produce much

You’re right. Points are all that matter when you play defence. I suppose Morrissey is also trade bait as he doesn’t produce much
- Rexypoo

Not my point. Morrissey had a decent year of production and would fit great beside buff as Enstroms replacement. My point is, I believe Trouba would fetch a return based off what people believe he is capable of producing, and what the jets have not seen through his previous 5 seasons. Also, I wouldn't consider Trouba a shutdown D either. Wherever he ends up, he will likely be a top pairing guy, but 129 points in 326 games, and 5 points in 21 playoff games does not justify his insane contract demands. I would pipe down if he signed a 5x5 deal, but he is supposedly seeking a much higher number. I understand there is more than just points, but trouba's game seems to be focused on offense, and he has yet to really generate a significant amount.

Not my point. Morrissey had a decent year of production and would fit great beside buff as Enstroms replacement. My point is, I believe Trouba would fetch a return based off what people believe he is capable of producing, and what the jets have not seen through his previous 5 seasons. Also, I wouldn't consider Trouba a shutdown D either. Wherever he ends up, he will likely be a top pairing guy, but 129 points in 326 games, and 5 points in 21 playoff games does not justify his insane contract demands. I would pipe down if he signed a 5x5 deal, but he is supposedly seeking a much higher number. I understand there is more than just points, but trouba's game seems to be focused on offense, and he has yet to really generate a significant amount.
- bikeguy99

A: he has 0 PP time. Myers being gone will up his icetime in all situations significantly.
B: he was stapled for Stuart for roughly 78 years. That drops his numbers all over.
C: he’s elite defensively. Easily our best without Toby around.