BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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Yes. Originally went with Berggren based on personal preference but, after Hexy PC, switched to Lundeström because he fits what Hextall said they value. Very competitive player, plays a 200-foot game, has a bit more offensive upside than some think. Several Luleå games were on Eleven Network this season, and IL played well in all games I saw as well as at WJC. - bmeltzer
I like Lundestrom and think he will be a solid, but not spectacular NHL player. If it were up to me and both he and Berggren were still on the board, I'd go with Berggren. While the risk that the pick doesn't pan out is a little higher with Berggren, the potential reward could be a lot higher as I feel he has the wheels, skills and smarts to be an impact player at the NHL level.
Re: Miller at 14. I like him a lot and I agree with you that if Farabee is off the board, he'd be a nice pick. It really all depends on what happens with picks 2-13, and/or if deals are made with either of the Flyers picks. Should be fun! |
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hereticpride
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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I'm just not a fan of going D man at 14. We need more scoring depth up front(throughout our system) and this 1st round is full of good D prospects that you can still get one at 19.
If they dont think they're in love with any forwards at 14 then they should use 50th overall to move up a few spots to grab a guy they can get behind. |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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I'm just not a fan of going D man at 14. We need more scoring depth up front(throughout our system) and this 1st round is full of good D prospects that you can still get one at 19.
If they dont think they're in love with any forwards at 14 then they should use 50th overall to move up a few spots to grab a guy they can get behind. - hereticpride
I'd prefer a forward as well, but if you think a Dman is BPA when it's your turn, you go with him. I'm not sure if the 50th pick will allow you to move up much, if at all. If the teams picking 11-13 really like the guy they are about to select, they probably aren't going to move back a couple spots just to add the 50th pick. There is going to be some very good prospects still on the board at 14, I'd probably just stay with that pick.
If I'm going to move up in this draft, it would be for a shot at Svech, Zadina, Wahlstrom, Hughes or Dobson and it will cost a hell of a lot more than #14 and #50 to get into that range.
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hereticpride
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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I'd prefer a forward as well, but if you think a Dman is BPA when it's your turn, you go with him. I'm not sure if the 50th pick will allow you to move up much, if at all. If the teams picking 11-13 really like the guy they are about to select, they probably aren't going to move back a couple spots just to add the 50th pick. There is going to be some very good prospects still on the board at 14, I'd probably just stay with that pick.
If I'm going to move up in this draft, it would be for a shot at Svech, Zadina, Wahlstrom, Hughes or Dobson and it will cost a hell of a lot more than #14 and #50 to get into that range. - BiggE
I was thinking more of 10th overall with Edmonton.
I just don't think Hextall is going to part with what it will take to move up much more than that. |
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19th overall and a 3rd or 4th for Domi. Felt like he would've been a great fit with Patrick. - hereticpride
Would like to see Ronald acquire someone who can help now and the future. Maybe Domi was that guy maybe not. There are other young guys out there who possible could be had.
He doesn’t seem inclined to do that ; at least not yet |
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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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Probably old news, but a little humorous on reactions from others:
https://www.broadstreetho...o-maple-leafs-tyler-bozak
1st round (25th), prospect and rights to The Bozak...
Would rather keep Simmer on a reasonable contract if possible, really seems like a guy who would do the discount because he doesn't want to leave, but players also have families to worry about. Last year wasn't about point or goal production, whether it was due to the injuries or something else, his play dropped in many areas. Much like Giroux from the previous years, healthy and playing/feeling better his production should increase as well. Difference being between the two is the fact Giroux is used differently than Simmonds and I would expect at most very modest increased numbers. His intangibles is what the team and fans love about Simmonds.
I am seeing a lot of "Not enough for Simmonds". Sadly, that is the heart talking, not the brain. Flyers could possibly fill a need for a 3C if they can work out a deal with Bozak and they get a decent prospect and a 1st round. I personally would say that is more than what the Flyers would actually get in real life, but this trade does seem to help both teams. I would do it. |
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VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: West Chester, PA Joined: 01.13.2009
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Re Lundestrom.
I have been on him for a while. A guy I thought the Flyers really would like. He's skill level is deceptively high, and he skates really well. I've seen him play a fair bit, 3 or 4 SHL games, and his WJC games (it's easy to find SHL streams on the internet). He's sooo smooth, very smooth. His IQ is off the charts.
To me his top would be to have a similar effect on the game as Backlund, top PKer, middle 6 center, secondary PP. |
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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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FWIW, here is my most current mock draft for the top 20 picks, this assumes no trades are made which is highly unlikely, but here ya go anyway!
1. BUF- Dahlin (yeah I know, shocking)
2. CAR- Svechnikov
3. MON- Tkachuk (just have a weird feeling that he's Bergeron's guy)
4. OTT- Hughes
5. ARI- Zadina (getting Zadina at #5 would be a gift, IMO)
6. DET- Dobson
7. VAN- Bouchard (I think GM's see Bouchard as a sure thing)
8. CHI- Wahlstrom (great pick up at #8)
9. NYR- Kotkaniemi (Satan lands the best center in the draft)
10. EDM- Boqvist
11. NYI- Veleno
12. NYI- Smith
13. DAL- Miller
14. PHI- Farabee (I will be thrilled if this comes true)
15. FLA- Kupari
16. COL- Samuelsson (The Avs see Sam's boy as the future anchor of their D)
17. NJD- Sandin (Devils could use a good Dman)
18. CBJ- Lundestrom (I don't think he makes it to Hexy at 19)
19. PHI- Berggren (can't see Hexy going for Hayton or any of the remaining Dmen over this kid)
20. LA- Wilde
Of course, outside of Dahlin, they'll probably all be wrong, but it's still fun to take shot!
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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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In the Flyers’ case, Philly selected Brian Boucher in the first round (22nd overall) in 1995
No matter what people may think of Boosh, he did contribute to the Flyers through 2 Cup runs (one where he was "the guy" and the other, he shared the net). |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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No matter what people may think of Boosh, he did contribute to the Flyers through 2 Cup runs (one where he was "the guy" and the other, he shared the net). - johndewar
Yup, no doubt. |
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hereticpride
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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FWIW, here is my most current mock draft for the top 20 picks, this assumes no trades are made which is highly unlikely, but here ya go anyway!
1. BUF- Dahlin (yeah I know, shocking)
2. CAR- Svechnikov
3. MON- Tkachuk (just have a weird feeling that he's Bergeron's guy)
4. OTT- Hughes
5. ARI- Zadina (getting Zadina at #5 would be a gift, IMO)
6. DET- Dobson
7. VAN- Bouchard (I think GM's see Bouchard as a sure thing)
8. CHI- Wahlstrom (great pick up at #8)
9. NYR- Kotkaniemi (Satan lands the best center in the draft)
10. EDM- Boqvist
11. NYI- Veleno
12. NYI- Smith
13. DAL- Miller
14. PHI- Farabee (I will be thrilled if this comes true)
15. FLA- Kupari
16. COL- Samuelsson (The Avs see Sam's boy as the future anchor of their D)
17. NJD- Sandin (Devils could use a good Dman)
18. CBJ- Lundestrom (I don't think he makes it to Hexy at 19)
19. PHI- Berggren (can't see Hexy going for Hayton or any of the remaining Dmen over this kid)
20. LA- Wilde
Of course, outside of Dahlin, they'll probably all be wrong, but it's still fun to take shot! - BiggE
Cant see Zadina dropping to 5. If the Habs or Sens pass on him I think they'll trade their pick to someone who wants him. |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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Yup, no doubt. - BiggE
Maybe not this crowd, but I always feel like I need to remind people that Brian Boucher was a pretty good goaltender for this franchise. Maybe not "THE GUY", but like I said.....2 Cup runs and arguably, two of the most iconic saves for Flyers goaltenders of the past 20 years (the save on Elias in the 2000 ECF and the save on Jokinen during the skills competition to send them to the playoffs in 2010). He also made 57 saves during the 5 OT game against the Pens. |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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Cant see Zadina dropping to 5. If the Habs or Sens pass on him I think they'll trade their pick to someone who does. - hereticpride
Probably, I just wasn't going to bother to try and predict specific trades. I was actually a bit surprised that the Habs/Yotes deal wasn't a bigger one in which the 3rd and 5th picks were flipped as well. |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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Maybe not this crowd, but I always feel like I need to remind people that Brian Boucher was a pretty good goaltender for this franchise. Maybe not "THE GUY", but like I said.....2 Cup runs and arguably, two of the most iconic saves for Flyers goaltenders of the past 20 years (the save on Elias in the 2000 ECF and the save on Jokinen during the skills competition to send them to the playoffs in 2010). He also made 57 saves during the 5 OT game against the Pens. - johndewar
He's certainly not at the Parent, Lindbergh, Hextall, level, but after those 3, at least for a short time, he was certainly as good as the rest of the bunch.
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Giroux_Is_God
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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Would like to see Ronald acquire someone who can help now and the future. Maybe Domi was that guy maybe not. There are other young guys out there who possible could be had.
He doesn’t seem inclined to do that ; at least not yet - rinaldo
Who should Ronald have traded to get Domi? Who is our Galchenyuk equivalent that the Coyotes seeked? Simmonds? Don't think so.
Can't say a bunch of draft picks either, because clearly the Yotes wanted a player who not only has the potential to be great but is good right now. |
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Giroux_Is_God
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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No matter what people may think of Boosh, he did contribute to the Flyers through 2 Cup runs (one where he was "the guy" and the other, he shared the net). - johndewar
Boosh in his heyday was as good a goalie as you'll see who wasn't a star. If that makes sense. |
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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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19th overall and a 3rd or 4th for Domi. Felt like he would've been a great fit with Patrick. - hereticpride
Zona taking Galchenyuk back shows they were more than likely not interested in trading purely for potential, i.e. draft picks
(Yes there is potential involved with Galchenyuk but we know he's a good player right now too) |
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Who should Ronald have traded to get Domi? Who is our Galchenyuk equivalent that the Coyotes seeked? Simmonds? Don't think so.
Can't say a bunch of draft picks either, because clearly the Yotes wanted a player who not only has the potential to be great but is good right now. - Giroux_Is_God
I can say what I want as it is my opinion. You don’t know what Arizona would have taken; so don’t pretend you do. Neither do I. If it’s worth a teams while they would deal. Simple as that.
Ronald has assets and imo he needs to start using them to help the team he is the general manager of; and no I don’t mean older vets or the like. guys of domi’s ilk who fit into Ronald’s plan.
I also clearly said I don’t know if Domi was a guy they wanted. So it isn’t him specifically. |
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Boosh in his heyday was as good a goalie as you'll see who wasn't a star. If that makes sense. - Giroux_Is_God
So in other word he was an average goalie. I agree |
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Giroux_Is_God
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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Sinisalo4vr
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Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA Joined: 06.24.2016
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I can say what I want as it is my opinion. You don’t know what Arizona would have taken; so don’t pretend you do. Neither do I. If it’s worth a teams while they would deal. Simple as that.
Ronald has assets and imo he needs to start using them to help the team he is the general manager of; and no I don’t mean older vets or the like. guys of domi’s ilk who fit into Ronald’s plan.
I also clearly said I don’t know if Domi was a guy they wanted. So it isn’t him specifically. - rinaldo
I would speculate that Arizona checked with all interested parties and the price was too high for all but one potential partner. Would you move Konecny for Domi? TK would be a player roughly similar to Galchenyuk. |
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I would speculate that Arizona checked with all interested parties and the price was too high for all but one potential partner. Would you move Konecny for Domi? TK would be a player roughly similar to Galchenyuk. - Sinisalo4vr
No I would not. Point is the nhl team can use an influx of talent. Ronald has done a good job acquiring assets. No harm in using them or improve the current team |
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Mordecai
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Location: not very poggers Joined: 08.27.2015
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I can say what I want as it is my opinion. - rinaldo
Lol sure but everyone else can tell you that your opinion is dumb.
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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.13.2006
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FWIW, here is my most current mock draft for the top 20 picks, this assumes no trades are made which is highly unlikely, but here ya go anyway!
1. BUF- Dahlin (yeah I know, shocking)
2. CAR- Svechnikov
3. MON- Tkachuk (just have a weird feeling that he's Bergeron's guy)
4. OTT- Hughes
5. ARI- Zadina (getting Zadina at #5 would be a gift, IMO)
6. DET- Dobson
7. VAN- Bouchard (I think GM's see Bouchard as a sure thing)
8. CHI- Wahlstrom (great pick up at #8)
9. NYR- Kotkaniemi (Satan lands the best center in the draft)
10. EDM- Boqvist
11. NYI- Veleno
12. NYI- Smith
13. DAL- Miller
14. PHI- Farabee (I will be thrilled if this comes true)
15. FLA- Kupari
16. COL- Samuelsson (The Avs see Sam's boy as the future anchor of their D)
17. NJD- Sandin (Devils could use a good Dman)
18. CBJ- Lundestrom (I don't think he makes it to Hexy at 19)
19. PHI- Berggren (can't see Hexy going for Hayton or any of the remaining Dmen over this kid)
20. LA- Wilde
Of course, outside of Dahlin, they'll probably all be wrong, but it's still fun to take shot! - BiggE
If Hayton makes it to 14th, which I don't think he will, I suspect (don't know for sure, of course) that the Flyers would take him in that spot. He pretty much checks every box that Hextall prioritizes, although his skating can still improve a bit. |
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Lol sure but everyone else can tell you that your opinion is dumb. - Mordecai
OK |
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