Hes 37, you cant assume that anymore, how many above league average 37 year old goalies are there. Hall of Fame ones perhaps and that is not Anderson

Its a harsh reality for a guy who was a late bloomer, had a good run of 8 seasons or so, but hes not some goalie from a high pedigree stock. I would temper expectations on him
- DDM-Coga

Not saying he's gonna rock a 0.925 and 2.3.......but even if he puts up 0.910 and under 3 GAA Ottawa can score enough to not be in the bottom.

If they still suck.....yes you guys get a good pick, but Ottawa will sell off karlsson and Duchenne (and prob a few others) and still have plenty of 1st RD picks and good young assets.

All we need is melnyk to sell ;(

Not saying he's gonna rock a 0.925 and 2.3.......but even if he puts up 0.910 and under 3 GAA Ottawa can score enough to not be in the bottom.

If they still suck.....yes you guys get a good pick, but Ottawa will sell off karlsson and Duchenne (and prob a few others) and still have plenty of 1st RD picks and good young assets.

All we need is melnyk to sell ;(
- sensarmy_11

You need at least a .915 to be competitive in this league, So might be a tough bounce back for him at his age. Plus you really have to think, how many are these guys just mentally exhausted after this season...too many dark clouds around the team.

When the Avs tanked the year before, a lot had to do with with how Roy left and just messed with the locker rooms culture. If they still have lingering Hoffman/Karlsson stuff, it might be too tough to even come back from.

Sens really need to try to get on a clean slate as much as possible, and that might have to be trade both Hoffman and Karlsson. Get rid of every distraction (EK playing into his final year without an extension would be a huge distraction)

Hes 37, you cant assume that anymore, how many above league average 37 year old goalies are there. Hall of Fame ones perhaps and that is not Anderson

Its a harsh reality for a guy who was a late bloomer, had a good run of 8 seasons or so, but hes not some goalie from a high pedigree stock. I would temper expectations on him

NYR and Montreal have potential hall of fame goalies and cant count them out for propping up a team
EDM has McDavid.
Vancouver?????
Buf should be better but won't be a bottom 5 team for sure.

I think you are overlooking a lot of key factors here.
- DDM-Coga

dude, lundqvist is the same age as anderson, and has had 3 consecutive years of playing pretty average hockey. good win totals, but pretty average GAA and sv%

price is price, can't argue that he can single handedly carry a team.....and he'll have to with that tire fire of a roster in Montreal. if he doesn't have a vezina year, i don't see how the habs don't finish at the bottom of the league

edm had mcdavid last year too....but that's all they have.

vancouver just lost the sedins, so basically their only good player is Boesser.....they're gonna SUCK!

Buffalo is Buffalo....just like Edmonton....no matter how many high picks and talent they have, they'll still find a way to suck. especially if they trade RoR, who is arguably their best forward.

Arizona, Detroit, Dallas, Carolina, Isles (especially if they lose Tavares).....all teams that the sens could finish ahead of with even average goaltending.

i don't deny that the team is a tire fire off the ice, but there is still a lot of talent on that roster. it won't take much for them to be a decent team next year.....not a playoff team (even i'm not that crazy) but not a bottom 5

Hes 37, you cant assume that anymore, how many above league average 37 year old goalies are there. Hall of Fame ones perhaps and that is not Anderson

Its a harsh reality for a guy who was a late bloomer, had a good run of 8 seasons or so, but hes not some goalie from a high pedigree stock. I would temper expectations on him

NYR and Montreal have potential hall of fame goalies and cant count them out for propping up a team
EDM has McDavid.
Vancouver?????
Buf should be better but won't be a bottom 5 team for sure.

I think you are overlooking a lot of key factors here.
- DDM-Coga

New York is just traded away their number 1 defense man though. I think we'll see more players moved out at the deadline again as they commit to tanking.

Buffalo will be better this year with Middlestad and Dhalin but they have a lot of holes on that team.

You need at least a .915 to be competitive in this league, So might be a tough bounce back for him at his age. Plus you really have to think, how many are these guys just mentally exhausted after this season...too many dark clouds around the team.

When the Avs tanked the year before, a lot had to do with with how Roy left and just messed with the locker rooms culture. If they still have lingering Hoffman/Karlsson stuff, it might be too tough to even come back from.

Sens really need to try to get on a clean slate as much as possible, and that might have to be trade both Hoffman and Karlsson. Get rid of every distraction (EK playing into his final year without an extension would be a huge distraction)
- DDM-Coga

i think if Karlsson says he won't re-sign, then they'll trade him. i don't think they'll be desperate to do it though. Dorion is an idiot, and melnyk is a cheap bastard, but they know that if they (frank) up a karlsson deal, they lose whatever fans they have left.

at that point melnyk won't have to sell the team, he'll lose it in his bankruptcy.

dude, lundqvist is the same age as anderson, and has had 3 consecutive years of playing pretty average hockey. good win totals, but pretty average GAA and sv%

price is price, can't argue that he can single handedly carry a team.....and he'll have to with that tire fire of a roster in Montreal. if he doesn't have a vezina year, i don't see how the habs don't finish at the bottom of the league

edm had mcdavid last year too....but that's all they have.

vancouver just lost the sedins, so basically their only good player is Boesser.....they're gonna SUCK!

Buffalo is Buffalo....just like Edmonton....no matter how many high picks and talent they have, they'll still find a way to suck. especially if they trade RoR, who is arguably their best forward.

Arizona, Detroit, Dallas, Carolina, Isles (especially if they lose Tavares).....all teams that the sens could finish ahead of with even average goaltending.

i don't deny that the team is a tire fire off the ice, but there is still a lot of talent on that roster. it won't take much for them to be a decent team next year.....not a playoff team (even i'm not that crazy) but not a bottom 5
- sensarmy_11

Lundquist is a potential Hall of Fame goalie and still put a .915 for a rebuilding team...Anderson is not a hall of fame goalie and put up 0.898. I do hope you realize the difference bw the skill of both goalies.

It all comes back to Anderson for the sens. If he can be anything close to .915 they will be ok. But just to let you know, improving by .020 sv% is very rare at a year to year basis, especially at his age

New York is just traded away their number 1 defense man though. I think we'll see more players moved out at the deadline again as they commit to tanking.

Buffalo will be better this year with Middlestad and Dhalin but they have a lot of holes on that team.
- david22

I wouldnt be shocked to see the Rangers land one of Tavares or Calrson though. Its playing in New York and they are one of the richest clubs in the league. I wouldn't count them out for anything. They seem to be on a fast track rebuild already.

Lundquist is a potential Hall of Fame goalie and still put a .915 for a rebuilding team...Anderson is not a hall of fame goalie and put up 0.898. I do hope you realize the difference bw the skill of both goalies.

It all comes back to Anderson for the sens. If he can be anything close to .915 they will be ok. But just to let you know, improving by .020 sv% is very rare at a year to year basis, especially at his age
- DDM-Coga

i'm not comparing Anderson to Lundqvist.....i know Hank is WAY better. i'm saying that he's also trending down, and the rangers are clearly tearing their team down.

as for anderson, i think with a .915 sv% he'd prob get the sens into or close to the playoffs........i'm not saying he'll do that. but i think with a 0.908 - 0.910 he'd get them out of a top 10 pick (or somewhere around 10).....i can live with that.

i'm simply saying that everyone is basically acting like it's a guarantee that the sens pick next year will be a 1st overall.

the odds of that happening are ridiculously low......so why would they be so desperate to get the pick back that they'd "give" karlsson away.

I wouldnt be shocked to see the Rangers land one of Tavares or Calrson though. Its playing in New York and they are one of the richest clubs in the league. I wouldn't count them out for anything. They seem to be on a fast track rebuild already.
- DDM-Coga

i would......it makes no sense for them to get their fans to buy into a rebuild, trade away all their veteran talent, to then go buy high priced veteran talent that wouldn't make them cup contenders, and de-rail their rebuild.

i'm sure they'll kick tires on both guys, and see if they can get them at a discounted rate....but i don't see the rangers flexing their financial muscles to land either player.

i'm not comparing Anderson to Lundqvist.....i know Hank is WAY better. i'm saying that he's also trending down, and the rangers are clearly tearing their team down.

as for anderson, i think with a .915 sv% he'd prob get the sens into or close to the playoffs........i'm not saying he'll do that. but i think with a 0.908 - 0.910 he'd get them out of a top 10 pick (or somewhere around 10).....i can live with that.

i'm simply saying that everyone is basically acting like it's a guarantee that the sens pick next year will be a 1st overall.

the odds of that happening are ridiculously low......so why would they be so desperate to get the pick back that they'd "give" karlsson away.
- sensarmy_11

Its not a guaranteed at all. But With how much of a distraction the past 6 month have been. Unresolved issues.

If they trade Karlsson and Ceci is their 1D......If they trade Hoffman and they only have half a top line of Duchene and Stone...if Anderson doesnt have a huge bounce back issue. There is a lot of obstacles in the sens way going into this season.

Top 10 pick is what I assume at the very least. A top 5, the chances are pretty good as well if they dont clean up this mess quickly.

i would......it makes no sense for them to get their fans to buy into a rebuild, trade away all their veteran talent, to then go buy high priced veteran talent that wouldn't make them cup contenders, and de-rail their rebuild.

i'm sure they'll kick tires on both guys, and see if they can get them at a discounted rate....but i don't see the rangers flexing their financial muscles to land either player.
- sensarmy_11

Not trading away any assets for high end talent, spending to the cap if they want on elite talent in Tavares etc while having 4 1st rounds and 4 second rounders in the next 2 drafts. Thats a pretty good jump start on any sort of rebuild.

Thats why I said they have done a rebuild right, and really kick started it. Rebuilds dont have to be painful if they are done right

Not trading away any assets for high end talent, spending to the cap if they want on elite talent in Tavares etc while having 4 1st rounds and 4 second rounders in the next 2 drafts. Thats a pretty good jump start on any sort of rebuild.

Thats why I said they have done a rebuild right, and really kick started it.
- DDM-Coga

agree, they've absolutely done it right.....

that's why i can't see them giving tavares over 10 mil per year (which is what it would take), or overpaying for a guy like carlson.....a guy who had a MONSTER year going into UFA, will cash in on it, and probably regress back to what he's been the last 7 or 8 years. that is, a real solid dman who's probably worth 6 mil per year, but not the 8 or 9 mil he'll probably get based on his 68pt year.

i think the rangers will stay the course, not go after the big fish UFA, and be a bad team next year......which is very good for them moving forward.

Don't see why the Avs have to get all ants in their pants gushing over Karlsson even though I know they need a stud on the backend . So Sens want Barrie a prospect plus next years 1st rounder. Do the Avs get your 1st rounder this year? I mean how much do you expect the Avs to give up so you guys can just not look so bad anymore for being desperate yourself for a hot/cold locker room Matty.

I mean as it is now the avs have this years or next years number one pick from the sens.

Don't see why the Avs have to get all ants in their pants gushing over Karlsson even though I know they need a stud on the backend . So Sens want Barrie a prospect plus next years 1st rounder. Do the Avs get your 1st rounder this year? I mean how much do you expect the Avs to give up so you guys can just not look so bad anymore for being desperate yourself for a hot/cold locker room Matty.
- 19knight21

i would......it makes no sense for them to get their fans to buy into a rebuild, trade away all their veteran talent, to then go buy high priced veteran talent that wouldn't make them cup contenders, and de-rail their rebuild.

i'm sure they'll kick tires on both guys, and see if they can get them at a discounted rate....but i don't see the rangers flexing their financial muscles to land either player.
- sensarmy_11

Yes. Fans want to see team lose every game. That’s what they were sold on.

Don't see why the Avs have to get all ants in their pants gushing over Karlsson even though I know they need a stud on the backend . So Sens want Barrie a prospect plus next years 1st rounder. Do the Avs get your 1st rounder this year? I mean how much do you expect the Avs to give up so you guys can just not look so bad anymore for being desperate yourself for a hot/cold locker room Matty.
- 19knight21

ding dong!

Its not a guaranteed at all. But With how much of a distraction the past 6 month have been. Unresolved issues.

If they trade Karlsson and Ceci is their 1D......If they trade Hoffman and they only have half a top line of Duchene and Stone...if Anderson doesnt have a huge bounce back issue. There is a lot of obstacles in the sens way going into this season.

Top 10 pick is what I assume at the very least. A top 5, the chances are pretty good as well if they dont clean up this mess quickly.
- DDM-Coga

Ottawa is (frank)ed on this one. They're at the point now where they could fire sale and have a ton of re-build assets quickly, or delay the inevitable and ruin the return.

Ottawa gets their pick back and Colorado's first this year for Karlsson. That seems fair. Then Ottawa trades everyone and finds a new owner.

agree, they've absolutely done it right.....

that's why i can't see them giving tavares over 10 mil per year (which is what it would take), or overpaying for a guy like carlson.....a guy who had a MONSTER year going into UFA, will cash in on it, and probably regress back to what he's been the last 7 or 8 years. that is, a real solid dman who's probably worth 6 mil per year, but not the 8 or 9 mil he'll probably get based on his 68pt year.

i think the rangers will stay the course, not go after the big fish UFA, and be a bad team next year......which is very good for them moving forward.
- sensarmy_11

1st if all,I think Tavares will probably sign with Isles. If he doesn’t, Rangers will Definately make an offer. Why wouldn’t they? He’s only a year older than Hayes. They have tons of cap space and you don’t have to give up players. They’re not going to throw a bunch of kids on ice and get pounded every night. The vets that where traded? 3 over 30 guys who’s contracts are up. McDonaugh has 1 year left and it was a smart move to cash in on him since he’ll be 30 next contract. If you consider 3 guys weren’t being resigned, and Miller for Namestikov a wash, we basically traded McDonaugh for 2or3 1st rd picks( depending on Tampa winning next year)some other picks, Ryan Spooner,Lindgren,Hajek,Rykov and Howden. Those assets are all there regardless if we sign Tavares. He immediately makes Rangers contenders. Getting him in his prime with Lundquist having 3 more years makes sense Look at rest of roster. Mostly players ages between 22-27. Good core group. Definately stay away from Carlson, but I would look to trade for a top young dman like Trouba. Rumors are that Jets might look to move him

agree, they've absolutely done it right.....

that's why i can't see them giving tavares over 10 mil per year (which is what it would take), or overpaying for a guy like carlson.....a guy who had a MONSTER year going into UFA, will cash in on it, and probably regress back to what he's been the last 7 or 8 years. that is, a real solid dman who's probably worth 6 mil per year, but not the 8 or 9 mil he'll probably get based on his 68pt year.

i think the rangers will stay the course, not go after the big fish UFA, and be a bad team next year......which is very good for them moving forward.
- sensarmy_11

Why wouldn’t you pay Tavares 10+? He’s worth it. Funny how critics always say Rangers don’t have a legit 1C. Tavares is one of the top players in league, you Definately go after him. Especially with cap going up.

Why wouldn’t you pay Tavares 10+? He’s worth it. Funny how critics always say Rangers don’t have a legit 1C. Tavares is one of the top players in league, you Definately go after him. Especially with cap going up.
- junaka3

i never said tavares wasn't worth it, and yes he is one of the top players in the league.

i just don't think that at team in the middle of a rebuild will get into a bidding war for a 28 year old UFA.

The rangers have a lot of good, but not great young pieces. if they want to rebuild properly, which it seems like they want to do, they'll do it through the draft.

spending 10+ mil for Tavares basically guarantees that they can't do that. he'll make them good, but they don't have enough high end pieces around him to make them great.

maybe they do, and if they get him then i'll be the first one back here to say you were right........i just don't see why they'd preach rebuild and then go after the first big fish UFA that comes along. it doesn't make sense.

just my opinion.

bcallaway forwarded me the same text.

Well the Avs have the cap space to pay. And then sign Tavares if he would like to win a cup. Holy crap. Just realized Sakic is everything people say about Yzerman Good on you Burnaby Joe

Hes 37, you cant assume that anymore, how many above league average 37 year old goalies are there. Hall of Fame ones perhaps and that is not Anderson

Its a harsh reality for a guy who was a late bloomer, had a good run of 8 seasons or so, but hes not some goalie from a high pedigree stock. I would temper expectations on him

NYR and Montreal have potential hall of fame goalies and cant count them out for propping up a team
EDM has McDavid.
Vancouver?????
Buf should be better but won't be a bottom 5 team for sure.

I think you are overlooking a lot of key factors here.
- DDM-Coga

While you are correct that Van is still a year a away... dont't overlook the extra ice and impact of Bb.

1st if all,I think Tavares will probably sign with Isles. If he doesn’t, Rangers will Definately make an offer. Why wouldn’t they? He’s only a year older than Hayes. They have tons of cap space and you don’t have to give up players. They’re not going to throw a bunch of kids on ice and get pounded every night. The vets that where traded? 3 over 30 guys who’s contracts are up. McDonaugh has 1 year left and it was a smart move to cash in on him since he’ll be 30 next contract. If you consider 3 guys weren’t being resigned, and Miller for Namestikov a wash, we basically traded McDonaugh for 2or3 1st rd picks( depending on Tampa winning next year)some other picks, Ryan Spooner,Lindgren,Hajek,Rykov and Howden. Those assets are all there regardless if we sign Tavares. He immediately makes Rangers contenders. Getting him in his prime with Lundquist having 3 more years makes sense Look at rest of roster. Mostly players ages between 22-27. Good core group. Definately stay away from Carlson, but I would look to trade for a top young dman like Trouba. Rumors are that Jets might look to move him
- junaka3

He will not tarnish his legacy by going to another ny team. Nothing wrong with those teams but people tend to remember those things.

While you are correct that Van is still a year a away... dont't overlook the extra ice and impact of Bb.
- Beatle_john

Vancouver's D is still very questionable to me. If you can get more out of the older guys Vancouver will be fine

But if they get Pettersson in the mix following Price Charmings mold. They could have a very dangerous forward core even though it may drop off big time talent wise after the Top 6