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thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 17 @ 10:50 PM ET
I didn’t specify what kind of career they would have just that I think they will play in the NHL. To soon to know what their production will be. Also, I’m aware prospects fail as I’ve been following this team for decades. We have an above average prospect pool is all in saying.
- CanuckDon

It’s much improved from the last GM’s tenior but I wouldn’t say above average. It’s what I would expect of a bottom of the barrel team trying to build through the draft. I am more excited about players such as Pettersson and Demko.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 17 @ 10:51 PM ET
Trevor said 2 days ago it began when they drafted Horvat
- VANTEL

He is a liar. It doesn’t start until we draft Dobson
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Jun 17 @ 10:51 PM ET
Trading the 7th shows to me they aren't serious about a rebuild and still want to cut corners to speed up the process.

This management team hasn't proven an ability to scout pro level players. There is one good thing this management team can do though, draft. So do it. Stay on point. Stay on message. I think they'd find they've save themselves a lot of grief in this market if they practiced what they preached.

- Lindenis#1


Trading 7 for 14 & 19 (which is what I’ve been advocating) would be better for the rebuild than settling for poor value at 7... and apparently Philly is looking at that exact scenario.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 17 @ 10:51 PM ET
It’s much improved from the last GM’s tenior but I wouldn’t say above average. It’s what I would expect of a bottom of the barrel team trying to build through the draft. I am more excited about players such as Pettersson and Demko.
- thundachunk

It’s been rated top 3rd of the league by analysts. I think that’s fair. Button says it’s the best which I don’t agree
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 17 @ 10:52 PM ET
Trading 7 for 14 & 19 (which is what I’ve been advocating) would be better for the rebuild than settling for poor value at 7... and apparently Philly is looking at that exact scenario.
- DrChristianTroy

100%. Nothing wrong with trading the pick it all depends on the return
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Jun 17 @ 10:52 PM ET
Trevor said 2 days ago it began when they drafted Horvat
- VANTEL


Holy. (frank).
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 17 @ 10:53 PM ET
Couldn’t disagree more. Based on our probable options, trading the pick is my preference. 7th pick in this draft is an awful value spot IMO. At this point I’m just hoping it falls in our favor (someone unexpectedly falls) or another team loves a particular kid & makes us an offer.
- DrChristianTroy

IF it’s trading down to Philadelphia for a couple 1st rounders fine. It’s not like the 7th pick is going to get us Karlsson.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Jun 17 @ 10:53 PM ET
Trading 7 for 14 & 19 (which is what I’ve been advocating) would be better for the rebuild than settling for poor value at 7... and apparently Philly is looking at that exact scenario.
- DrChristianTroy


if the players suck at 7, they're going to suck worse 10 picks later.

take your chance at getting your difference maker, worry about volume when you're on the upswing.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 17 @ 10:54 PM ET
Trading 7 for 14 & 19 (which is what I’ve been advocating) would be better for the rebuild than settling for poor value at 7... and apparently Philly is looking at that exact scenario.
- DrChristianTroy

Unless Zadina is there, I'd 100% prefer 14 + 19 over 7.

Just not sure what else Philly would want along with the 7th.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 17 @ 10:54 PM ET
Couldn’t disagree more. Based on our probable options, trading the pick is my preference. 7th pick in this draft is an awful value spot IMO. At this point I’m just hoping it falls in our favor (someone unexpectedly falls) or another team loves a particular kid & makes us an offer.
- DrChristianTroy


yup
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 17 @ 10:54 PM ET
He is a liar. It doesn’t start until we draft Dobson
- CanuckDon

Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Jun 17 @ 10:55 PM ET
It’s been rated top 3rd of the league by analysts. I think that’s fair. Button says it’s the best which I don’t agree
- CanuckDon


Button must be JB's boy. Ever since he came to town ol Greggy Buttons hasn't been able to say a negative word about anything Canucks related.

There was a radio hit he did a few months ago and if you were to believe him the Canucks have a couple HOF classes in their system.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 17 @ 10:56 PM ET
Trading 7 for 14 & 19 (which is what I’ve been advocating) would be better for the rebuild than settling for poor value at 7... and apparently Philly is looking at that exact scenario.
- DrChristianTroy

THats fine it’s trading for Hanafin that bothers me. Just more “stopgap” bs from JB and Trevor.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Jun 17 @ 10:59 PM ET
THats fine it’s trading for Hanafin that bothers me. Just more “stopgap” bs from JB and Trevor.
- thundachunk


If Hanifin truly had legit top pair potential, Carolina wouldn't move him.

Take your chance at getting your top pairing player at 7, maybe he's a 2nd pairing guy. Worst case you miss, but I think the home run swing here is a better play then a 2 out double.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 17 @ 10:59 PM ET
Button must be JB's boy. Ever since he came to town ol Greggy Buttons hasn't been able to say a negative word about anything Canucks related.

There was a radio hit he did a few months ago and if you were to believe him the Canucks have a couple HOF classes in their system.

- Lindenis#1

Yes one has to wonder if he is on the Canucks payroll. I respect button though. He does loads of scouting and isn’t worried about consensus
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Jun 17 @ 10:59 PM ET
Trading the 7th shows to me they aren't serious about a rebuild and still want to cut corners to speed up the process.

This management team hasn't proven an ability to scout pro level players. There is one good thing this management team can do though, draft. So do it. Stay on point. Stay on message. I think they'd find they've save themselves a lot of grief in this market if they practiced what they preached.

- Lindenis#1

100% correct. We are still at least 2 if not 3 good drafts away from having a whole system that is ready to compete. NO SHORT CUTS!
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Jun 17 @ 11:03 PM ET
Yes one has to wonder if he is on the Canucks payroll. I respect button though. He does loads of scouting and isn’t worried about consensus
- CanuckDon


He's willing to give an opinion which isn't the worst thing in a world where you've got a media landscape full of John Shannons, Mark Spectors, Damien Cox's and guys even less talented than them parroting team PR statements.

I just tend to think he's overly forgiving and gets blinded by his boner at times.

None of these prospect guys are perfect. I think Button's biggest drawback is that he, generally, tends to overlook a player's weaknesses and get way to high on their strengths.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 17 @ 11:05 PM ET
He's willing to give an opinion which isn't the worst thing in a world where you've got a media landscape full of John Shannons, Mark Spectors, Damien Cox's and guys even less talented than them parroting team PR statements.

I just tend to think he's overly forgiving and gets blinded by his boner at times.

None of these prospect guys are perfect. I think Button's biggest drawback is that he, generally, tends to overlook a player's weaknesses and get way to high on their strengths.

- Lindenis#1

Part of the job is to pump the tires.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 17 @ 11:06 PM ET
Agreed, although I think produces on the PP right away
- CanuckDon

Yup me too regarding the PP. If RNH can put up 56 points at 6'1" 168 pounds his first year surely Pettersson can too.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 17 @ 11:06 PM ET
He's willing to give an opinion which isn't the worst thing in a world where you've got a media landscape full of John Shannons, Mark Spectors, Damien Cox's and guys even less talented than them parroting team PR statements.

I just tend to think he's overly forgiving and gets blinded by his boner at times.

None of these prospect guys are perfect. I think Button's biggest drawback is that he, generally, tends to overlook a player's weaknesses and get way to high on their strengths.

- Lindenis#1

He predicted Kotkanimi and Dobson to rise and boqvist to fall months ago. He was also super high on Hayton and sure enough he has been climbing. Nobody is perfect
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 17 @ 11:07 PM ET
Button ranks us number one

I think Pettersson, Gadj, Lind, Juolevi, Lockwood, Gaudette, demko and brisbois all have solid chances of an NHL career. Then you have your unknowns like DiPietro, Palmu, Rathbone, mcewan and Jasek. After our first three picks this draft we should be solidly stocked
Edit. Lockwood has to prove he can stay healthy first

- CanuckDon

Again, same as every other bottom feeding franchise and probably below a few mediocre teams like the Flyers.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 17 @ 11:08 PM ET
It takes time to build through the draft. If Jim trades the 7th pick he should be fired. He is supposed to be a draft savant but he keeps giving them away. I won’t be impressed if he sells it. Pettersson is no different than any other prospect either.
- thundachunk

Fired, shot and pissed on!!
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 17 @ 11:09 PM ET
Trading 7 for 14 & 19 (which is what I’ve been advocating) would be better for the rebuild than settling for poor value at 7... and apparently Philly is looking at that exact scenario.
- DrChristianTroy

I'd be down with that trade.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 17 @ 11:09 PM ET
Fired, shot and pissed on!!
- LeftCoaster

If Jim trades the 7th it’s because linden and Aquilini want him to. You guys think Jim has autonomy for some reason lol
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 17 @ 11:15 PM ET
If Jim trades the 7th it’s because linden and Aquilini want him to. You guys think Jim has autonomy for some reason lol
- CanuckDon


I highly doubt they say “hey Jim, i these prospects suck this year, trade the pick. I don’t care what you or the scouts think”
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