if you guys want to believe that then by all means..........when there are several people claiming she's guilty, and only her and her fiancee claiming she isn't.....i'm going to believe the accuser.
- sensarmy_11

Maybe I missed those ... do you have links? The tweets I read spoke of supporting Melinda, not specifically blaming Caryk. I just wonder if they're assuming based on past history?

also, in order to file a protection order there needs to be a certain amount of proof. you can't simply say "she's bullying me" and then file it.
- sensarmy_11

Is that even true though? Sounds like they're still investigating the claims. And I hope what Hoffman said is true, that they're supportive of finding the real culprit by handing over laptops, phones, hard drives, whatever is necessary.

if you guys want to believe that then by all means..........when there are several people claiming she's guilty, and only her and her fiancee claiming she isn't.....i'm going to believe the accuser.

also, in order to file a protection order there needs to be a certain amount of proof. you can't simply say "she's bullying me" and then file it.
- sensarmy_11

You misunderstand what I was saying. All I'm saying is that from what we've read there's no definitive or specifics on what she's been accused of by former players wives.

We've had several former players wives come forward saying it's not surprising and they believe Karlsson, but have been deliberately vague (understandably). As far as ive read none of them have stated that she harassed her, just that these allegation are very believable.


I largely agree with you, I don' think the Karlssons would file such a claim without having some form of evidence, because they'd be liable for a defamation suit, but I do think we should continue to wait for the facts to come forward.

Thank god our justice system doesn’t work the way you do bro
- HB77

It's the sad reality of things. They say innocent until proven guilty, but we all know that statement isn't true when taking into account how society views things. When a person is accused of something, the general perception around them changes and they are labeled as guilty.

Legally it's innocent until proven guilty, but in reality it's guilty until proven innocent.

I'm not saying Hoffman's girl is innocent, but let's hold our horses before stating things. For all we know these two women don't like each other but it takes a very wicked and petty person to attack someone in the way it is being reported.

It's the sad reality of things. They say innocent until proven guilty, but we all know that statement isn't true when taking into account how society views things. When a person is accused of something, the general perception around them changes and they are labeled as guilty.

Legally it's innocent until proven guilty, but in reality it's guilty until proven innocent.

I'm not saying Hoffman's girl is innocent, but let's hold our horses before stating things. For all we know these two women don't like each other but it takes a very wicked and petty person to attack someone in the way it is being reported.
- TheCalSen

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Shout out to Bergevin for taking the heat off us for at least a couple days. What an odd trade!!??

It's the sad reality of things. They say innocent until proven guilty, but we all know that statement isn't true when taking into account how society views things. When a person is accused of something, the general perception around them changes and they are labeled as guilty.

Legally it's innocent until proven guilty, but in reality it's guilty until proven innocent.

I'm not saying Hoffman's girl is innocent, but let's hold our horses before stating things. For all we know these two women don't like each other but it takes a very wicked and petty person to attack someone in the way it is being reported.
- TheCalSen

i can't see any way that the Karlsson's go public with this if they didn't have proof.....maybe not "beyond a shadow of a doubt" but still pretty solid proof.

for the team to come out and say they've known about it for weeks or months....for all of these players wives (winnick, hammond, stone, etc, etc) to come out and say they knew that hoffman's girlfriend was OBSESSED with Melinda Karlsson, and saw her treat Melinda like poop.

like sure, there is no sure fire proof that she was the one who sent 1000 social media posts wishing her baby and her were dead......but come on man, when there's this much smoke, usually it's cuz there is a big (frank)ing fire.

what's the risk though? pissing of a gm who will never get another job or an owner that is about to sell?

if stone wants a trade, why not just sign an offer sheet?

a predatory 1 year $8M offer sheet with a $7M signing bonus won't be matched.
- Tumbleweed

I take the 2 1sts, 2nd and 3rd at this moment

I take the 2 1sts, 2nd and 3rd at this moment
- DutchSenators

It's only a 1st. 2nd and 3rd

It's only a 1st. 2nd and 3rd
- Tumbleweed

8m is not iirc

8m is not iirc
- DutchSenators

8.1 is the cut off for it to only be a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

You give him a 5 year 40m contract that is bonus heavy and let the Sens squirm

Here's what I've heard: They've talked about it. OTT wants the condition removed from the '19 pick and they want to keep 4 this year. Only way Avs entertain that is w/Karlsson but it doesn't sound like the Avalanche have been very active in pursuit. They're happy with the pick. https://t.co/KCwwX5nJKx

— AJ Haefele (@AJHaefele) June 17, 2018

From BSN beat writer for the avs...you guys are going to get so desperate and do something stupid to get that pick back, I can feel it

Here's what I've heard: They've talked about it. OTT wants the condition removed from the '19 pick and they want to keep 4 this year. Only way Avs entertain that is w/Karlsson but it doesn't sound like the Avalanche have been very active in pursuit. They're happy with the pick. https://t.co/KCwwX5nJKx

— AJ Haefele (@AJHaefele) June 17, 2018

From BSN beat writer for the avs...you guys are going to get so desperate and do something stupid to get that pick back, I can feel it
- DDM-Coga

Yeah, I'm sure the Avs beat writer has lots of inside info on what the sens are doing. Lmao

Yeah, I'm sure the Avs beat writer has lots of inside info on what the sens are doing. Lmao
- sensarmy_11

They would actually bc they have sources with the avs and your sens are taking to them, so they are hearing what the sens are coming to the avs with. It’s not hard to figure out.

They did have the duchene deal days before happened

Plus the sens are not some well oiled tight lipped organization, wouldn’t be hard to get into out of them theses days

(1) no one is giving stone an offer sheet; anyone discussing it needs to give their head a shake

(2) karlsson is not going to be traded for something small. Karl has to (and will) work with the Sens bc he will want the security of an 8th year

(3) the sens are screwed unless Melynk allows Dorion to get this franchise back on track in the next 3-5 weeks

(1) no one is giving stone an offer sheet; anyone discussing it needs to give their head a shake

(2) karlsson is not going to be traded for something small. Karl has to (and will) work with the Sens bc he will want the security of an 8th year

(3) the sens are screwed unless Melynk allows Dorion to get this franchise back on track in the next 3-5 weeks
- AlfieisKing

Hey, just curious, what's Ottawa's fans' opinion of Pageau as a defensive forward?

- Tumbleweed

What exactly did he say that wasn't true?

What exactly did he say that wasn't true?
- sensarmy_11

other than points, 1 & 2, nothing.

other than points, 1 & 2, nothing.
- Tumbleweed

So in all your wisdom explain to me why:

1. Stone will be given an offer sheet, despite the fact that it basically never happens

2. Why Karlsson wouldn't want an 8th year on his deal.....which does benefit Ottawa

So in all your wisdom explain to me why:

1. Stone will be given an offer sheet, despite the fact that it basically never happens

2. Why Karlsson wouldn't want an 8th year on his deal.....which does benefit Ottawa
- sensarmy_11

it's all opinions stated as facts.

stone is a prime candidate for an offer sheet. it rarely happens because it's so rare for everything to lineup perfectly for one. dorion would be smart to trade him by the draft. but it's likely dorion is doing what most are doing on here and is pretending like it can't happen.

karlsson does not need to work with the sens to get an 8th year. if he's traded, he can work with the new team. and he does not need the security of an 8th year. he has +45M in career contract earnings and will have +70M more on a 7 year deal. the 8th year is a nice to have, put isn't some sort of key to financial security. if anything, it's entirely possible (if not highly probable) that he does not want to work with the sens to help them out in anyway.

it's all opinions stated as facts.

stone is a prime candidate for an offer sheet. it rarely happens because it's so rare for everything to lineup perfectly for one. dorion would be smart to trade him by the draft. but it's likely dorion is doing what most are doing on here and is pretending like it can't happen.

karlsson does not need to work with the sens to get an 8th year. if he's traded, he can work with the new team. and he does not need the security of an 8th year. he has +45M in career contract earnings and will have +70M more on a 7 year deal. the 8th year is a nice to have, put isn't some sort of key to financial security. if anything, it's entirely possible (if not highly probable) that he does not want to work with the sens to help them out in anyway.
- Tumbleweed

Every year there are tons of "prime candidates" for offer sheets.....it never happens. That's like me saying that nylander is a prime candidate because next year the leafs need to re-sign Matthew's, mariner, Lenovo, Gardiner, kapanen, etc....so they need to be mindful of the cap.

If you think Karlsson doesn't want the 8th year and an extra 10-12 mil then you're dumb. If the extra year wasn't important to players then why was it a key agenda item in the last CBA negotiations?

Every year there are tons of "prime candidates" for offer sheets.....it never happens

If you think Karlsson doesn't want the 8th year and an extra 10-12 mil then you're dumb. If the extra year wasn't important to players then why was it a key agenda item in the last CBA negotiations?
- sensarmy_11

nah. drouin was the only real one last year, and the bolts traded out of it. and they're not any others this year. the sens can trade out of it and there will likely not be an offer sheet this year again.

point is, no one knows what the karlsson is thinking. he may be ok not getting the 8th year knowing he'll have +115M in career earnings by that point. but more importantly, he doesn't need the sens help. and it can't be stated as fact that he will help the sens out in a trade.

nah. drouin was the only real one last year, and the bolts traded out of it. and they're not any others this year. the sens can trade out of it and there will likely not be an offer sheet this year again.

point is, no one knows what the karlsson is thinking. he may be ok not getting the 8th year knowing he'll have +115M in career earnings by that point. but more importantly, he doesn't need the sens help. and it can't be stated as fact that he will help the sens out in a trade.
- Tumbleweed

Why would he not work with the sens, assuming he wants to be moved......if he works with them he gets the extra year and likely the team he wants

Why would he not work with the sens, assuming he wants to be moved......if he works with them he gets the extra year and likely the team he wants
- sensarmy_11

he might very well do that. but now you're talking sign and trade....even rarer than a offer sheet. and you have a pissed of player potentially throwing a monkey wrench into that.

Lot of talk Habs wont take Zadina, and that his stock his dropping (slightly). What're peoples thought there, presuming Ottawa keeps the pick.

I think Zadina still looks like the guy they should want.