If they could trade 19 to, say, NYR for picks 26 and 28, would you?
- jmatchett383

Yes, I would do that.

Trading 19 for immediate Nhl help is something Ronald hasn’t done. At some point I hope he does. He has never really given the flyers any immediate help in any of his trades. Hell even his free agent signings.

No issue moving down from 19 to get other assets

Peeps have mentioned Bennett. That is something the flyers have he assets for to acquire assuming Calgary is looking to move him.
Make it worth their while to get him
- rinaldo

Then explain Hartnell for Umberger.

Team Negative is up early today. Hmm, finished 3rd in the metro, has one of the deepest prospect pools in the league, has a legit #1 D who is only 21 years old, has a good 1-2 punch center who will be 25 and 20 at the start of next year, holds 2 first round picks in the upcoming draft, and has ample cap space going into this offseason.

Yup, everything is just god awful and Hextall should be shot.
- BiggE

Then explain Hartnell for Umberger.
- hereticpride

Well done
Meant the draft pick #19

Was that trade any immediate help? No it wasn’t it was a terrible trade

The way I interpreted the answer was 'if he is Ovechkin type then yes, otherwise we find other attributes more important'

That was just my take. Which makes sense looking back at drafting history.
- Glak18

My interpretation was just because we don't have guys known as snipers doesn't mean they don't have goal scorers. Simmonds is a goal scorer even though his shot isn't anything special.

I would say they definitely value the more complete player than a guy that can just score, but I found it interesting he hinted that maybe their prospect pool allows them to take a chance on a more pure sniper if the situation arose.

Well done
Meant the draft pick #19

Was that trade any immediate help? No it wasn’t it was a terrible trade
- rinaldo

Umberger>Schenn

Trading 19 for immediate Nhl help is something Ronald hasn’t done. At some point I hope he does. He has never really given the flyers any immediate help in any of his trades. Hell even his free agent signings.

No issue moving down from 19 to get other assets

Peeps have mentioned Bennett. That is something the flyers have he assets for to acquire assuming Calgary is looking to move him.
Make it worth their while to get him
- rinaldo

That's something I would like.

I also wonder about a guy like Athanisiou in Detroit.

My interpretation was just because we don't have guys known as snipers doesn't mean they don't have goal scorers. Simmonds is a goal scorer even though his shot isn't anything special.

I would say they definitely value the more complete player than a guy that can just score, but I found it interesting he hinted that maybe their prospect pool allows them to take a chance on a more pure sniper if the situation arose.
- YuenglingJagr

This team needs a sniper. It's not like snipers outside the top 10 are wildly incomplete players. The Flyers just seem to avoid them at all costs. I'd like to see them add one because it's a dynamic this team is below average in.

This team needs a sniper. It's not like snipers outside the top 10 are wildly incomplete players. The Flyers just seem to avoid them at all costs. I'd like to see them add one because it's a dynamic this team is below average in.
- hereticpride

Jagr?

Some possible options at 3C for 18-19:

I think, if they had their choice, Boston would rather re-sign Riley Nash and move David Backes. Backes is 34 and in 57 games last season, he put up 14 goals and 33 points and is a big guy who brings a physical element and can play a shutdown role and kill penalties. The big drawback of course, is 3 more years at a cap hit of 6 million. Backes can also play wing if needed so you're not locked into him at center for the duration of his deal. Boston would have to retain money for me to have any interest, but here is a deal that could benefit both teams:

To Philly: Backes, with 40% retention, aav would now be 3.6 million and Boston's 4th round pick (#119)

To Boston: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and a 7th round pick in 2018


Another possibility is 22 year old Sam Bennett out of Calgary. Last year Bennett put up 11 goals and 26 points in 82 games. Bennett is a hard working player with decent size and wheels who, to be honest, has underachieved in Calgary. That being said, he only turns 22 this month and may just be a late bloomer. He has one year left on his deal with a cap hit of 1.95 million. I'm not sure Calgary would be looking to move Bennett, but if they were, I'd make the following offer:

TO Philly: Sam Bennett

To Calgary: the 19th pick overall, the Flyers first pick in the 5th round, and Jordan Weal

Lastly, there are some rumors out of Nashville, that the Preds may be one of the teams interested in making a run at signing Tavares. If that is the case, the Preds are going to need to clear some salary and probably will be looking to move one of their top 9 centers. The guy I'd target is Nick Bonino who has 3 years remaining at an aav of 4.1 million. Bonino is 30, is a hard working player who is good defensively, can kill penalties, has some skill and is a decent skater. Last year, he put up a mildly disappointing 12 goals and 25 points in 71 games however, all of his production was at ES as he got no pp time. For a 3C, that would be ok, and I also think Bonino could do a little better as he may have been feeling the weight of a new deal last year.

I would make the following offer:

TO Philly: Nick Bonino
TO Nashville: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and Mike Vecchione.

Jagr?
- jmatchett383

He doesn't have the legs anymore I'm afraid. I'm not against inviting him to camp to prove me wrong and push some kids tho.

This team needs a sniper. It's not like snipers outside the top 10 are wildly incomplete players. The Flyers just seem to avoid them at all costs. I'd like to see them add one because it's a dynamic this team is below average in.
- hereticpride

They do but I prefer the more complete players. A sniper is great if scoring. Once that skill stops, what do you have...Nail Yakupov?

If they could trade 19 to, say, NYR for picks 26 and 28, would you?

Or, you could always trade 19 and 50 to grab 15.
- jmatchett383

Anyone would do the first trade. That is a gross overpayment. Flyers went from 29 to 24 a couple years ago and all it costed was #61

Some possible options at 3C for 18-19:

I think, if they had their choice, Boston would rather re-sign Riley Nash and move David Backes. Backes is 34 and in 57 games last season, he put up 14 goals and 33 points and is a big guy who brings a physical element and can play a shutdown role and kill penalties. The big drawback of course, is 3 more years at a cap hit of 6 million. Backes can also play wing if needed so you're not locked into him at center for the duration of his deal. Boston would have to retain money for me to have any interest, but here is a deal that could benefit both teams:

To Philly: Backes, with 40% retention, aav would now be 3.6 million and Boston's 4th round pick (#119)

To Boston: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and a 7th round pick in 2018


Another possibility is 22 year old Sam Bennett out of Calgary. Last year Bennett put up 11 goals and 26 points in 82 games. Bennett is a hard working player with decent size and wheels who, to be honest, has underachieved in Calgary. That being said, he only turns 22 this month and may just be a late bloomer. He has one year left on his deal with a cap hit of 1.95 million. I'm not sure Calgary would be looking to move Bennett, but if they were, I'd make the following offer:

TO Philly: Sam Bennett

To Calgary: the 19th pick overall, the Flyers first pick in the 5th round, and Jordan Weal

Lastly, there are some rumors out of Nashville, that the Preds may be one of the teams interested in making a run at signing Tavares. If that is the case, the Preds are going to need to clear some salary and probably will be looking to move one of their top 9 centers. The guy I'd target is Nick Bonino who has 3 years remaining at an aav of 4.1 million. Bonino is 30, is a hard working player who is good defensively, can kill penalties, has some skill and is a decent skater. Last year, he put up a mildly disappointing 12 goals and 25 points in 71 games however, all of his production was at ES as he got no pp time. For a 3C, that would be ok, and I also think Bonino could do a little better as he may have been feeling the weight of a new deal last year.

I would make the following offer:

TO Philly: Nick Bonino
TO Nashville: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and Mike Vecchione.
- BiggE

I am a big fan of Bonino, but not at that cap hit for 3 more years. I'd rather have him over Backes given the choice, but I don't feel comfortable with either. Would love to get Bennett.

Crazier scheme: Sign Tavares, make him 1C, Coots/Patrick are your 2C/3C.

Anyone would do the first trade. That is a gross overpayment. Flyers went from 29 to 24 a couple years ago and all it costed was #61
- Just5

(The second one was a joke).

Some possible options at 3C for 18-19:

I think, if they had their choice, Boston would rather re-sign Riley Nash and move David Backes. Backes is 34 and in 57 games last season, he put up 14 goals and 33 points and is a big guy who brings a physical element and can play a shutdown role and kill penalties. The big drawback of course, is 3 more years at a cap hit of 6 million. Backes can also play wing if needed so you're not locked into him at center for the duration of his deal. Boston would have to retain money for me to have any interest, but here is a deal that could benefit both teams:

To Philly: Backes, with 40% retention, aav would now be 3.6 million and Boston's 4th round pick (#119)

To Boston: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and a 7th round pick in 2018


Another possibility is 22 year old Sam Bennett out of Calgary. Last year Bennett put up 11 goals and 26 points in 82 games. Bennett is a hard working player with decent size and wheels who, to be honest, has underachieved in Calgary. That being said, he only turns 22 this month and may just be a late bloomer. He has one year left on his deal with a cap hit of 1.95 million. I'm not sure Calgary would be looking to move Bennett, but if they were, I'd make the following offer:

TO Philly: Sam Bennett

To Calgary: the 19th pick overall, the Flyers first pick in the 5th round, and Jordan Weal

Lastly, there are some rumors out of Nashville, that the Preds may be one of the teams interested in making a run at signing Tavares. If that is the case, the Preds are going to need to clear some salary and probably will be looking to move one of their top 9 centers. The guy I'd target is Nick Bonino who has 3 years remaining at an aav of 4.1 million. Bonino is 30, is a hard working player who is good defensively, can kill penalties, has some skill and is a decent skater. Last year, he put up a mildly disappointing 12 goals and 25 points in 71 games however, all of his production was at ES as he got no pp time. For a 3C, that would be ok, and I also think Bonino could do a little better as he may have been feeling the weight of a new deal last year.

I would make the following offer:

TO Philly: Nick Bonino
TO Nashville: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and Mike Vecchione.
- BiggE

I would pass on each of those trades, but wouldn't be upset with a Bennett trade (though I question if they'd actually do that trade). I would rather focus on future upside. If we go into next season with a hole at 3C, so be it. We went through all of last year with it. I am not giving up future assets so someone can plug a hole for one year.

I also think they have the players to fill the hole internally

He doesn't have the legs anymore I'm afraid. I'm not against inviting him to camp to prove me wrong and push some kids tho.
- hereticpride

Father Time thinks he has stopped Jagr.

Jagr's going to sleep with Father Time's girlfriend, have a photo taken of him in her bed, regrow the mullet, and win the next 8 scoring titles.

Some possible options at 3C for 18-19:

I think, if they had their choice, Boston would rather re-sign Riley Nash and move David Backes. Backes is 34 and in 57 games last season, he put up 14 goals and 33 points and is a big guy who brings a physical element and can play a shutdown role and kill penalties. The big drawback of course, is 3 more years at a cap hit of 6 million. Backes can also play wing if needed so you're not locked into him at center for the duration of his deal. Boston would have to retain money for me to have any interest, but here is a deal that could benefit both teams:

To Philly: Backes, with 40% retention, aav would now be 3.6 million and Boston's 4th round pick (#119)

To Boston: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and a 7th round pick in 2018


Another possibility is 22 year old Sam Bennett out of Calgary. Last year Bennett put up 11 goals and 26 points in 82 games. Bennett is a hard working player with decent size and wheels who, to be honest, has underachieved in Calgary. That being said, he only turns 22 this month and may just be a late bloomer. He has one year left on his deal with a cap hit of 1.95 million. I'm not sure Calgary would be looking to move Bennett, but if they were, I'd make the following offer:

TO Philly: Sam Bennett

To Calgary: the 19th pick overall, the Flyers first pick in the 5th round, and Jordan Weal

Lastly, there are some rumors out of Nashville, that the Preds may be one of the teams interested in making a run at signing Tavares. If that is the case, the Preds are going to need to clear some salary and probably will be looking to move one of their top 9 centers. The guy I'd target is Nick Bonino who has 3 years remaining at an aav of 4.1 million. Bonino is 30, is a hard working player who is good defensively, can kill penalties, has some skill and is a decent skater. Last year, he put up a mildly disappointing 12 goals and 25 points in 71 games however, all of his production was at ES as he got no pp time. For a 3C, that would be ok, and I also think Bonino could do a little better as he may have been feeling the weight of a new deal last year.

I would make the following offer:

TO Philly: Nick Bonino
TO Nashville: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and Mike Vecchione.
- BiggE

I’d prob rather sign bozak to a high dollar 3 year deal than any of these. Not interested in dealing picks for a stopgap 3C type player

I would pass on each of those trades, but wouldn't be upset with a Bennett trade (though I question if they'd actually do that trade). I would rather focus on future upside. If we go into next season with a hole at 3C, so be it. We went through all of last year with it. I am not giving up future assets so someone can plug a hole for one year.

I also think they have the players to fill the hole internally
- YuenglingJagr

EXCUSE ME!?!?

I would pass on each of those trades, but wouldn't be upset with a Bennett trade (though I question if they'd actually do that trade). I would rather focus on future upside. If we go into next season with a hole at 3C, so be it. We went through all of last year with it. I am not giving up future assets so someone can plug a hole for one year.

I also think they have the players to fill the hole internally
- YuenglingJagr

I'm hoping that's the case too. I think I'd be cool with the Bennett trade, but rather try to promote someone internally than make the other 2 trades.

Another possibility is 22 year old Sam Bennett out of Calgary. Last year Bennett put up 11 goals and 26 points in 82 games. Bennett is a hard working player with decent size and wheels who, to be honest, has underachieved in Calgary. That being said, he only turns 22 this month and may just be a late bloomer. He has one year left on his deal with a cap hit of 1.95 million. I'm not sure Calgary would be looking to move Bennett, but if they were, I'd make the following offer:

TO Philly: Sam Bennett

To Calgary: the 19th pick overall, the Flyers first pick in the 5th round, and Jordan Weal

- BiggE

Mr. BiggE, that is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out post.

Sounds like Hextall is fine with waiving two of Lyon, Neuvirth and Stolarz to the AHL in October if necessary.

Father Time thinks he has stopped Jagr.

Jagr's going to sleep with Father Time's girlfriend, have a photo taken of him in her bed, regrow the mullet, and win the next 8 scoring titles.
- jmatchett383

You forgot the part about Father Time threatening to post the pic unless Jagr pays him $10.

Mr. BiggE, that is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out post.
- Scoob

The Calgary trade to me feels like the most realistic and something that could happen. Bennett's name was out there at the deadline and Calgary has made it know they want to get back into the 1st round.

Bennett works moving with this teams development because of his age and he can shift to wing if Frost or Vorobyev prove ready. He kills penalties which is a plus.

Some possible options at 3C for 18-19:

I think, if they had their choice, Boston would rather re-sign Riley Nash and move David Backes. Backes is 34 and in 57 games last season, he put up 14 goals and 33 points and is a big guy who brings a physical element and can play a shutdown role and kill penalties. The big drawback of course, is 3 more years at a cap hit of 6 million. Backes can also play wing if needed so you're not locked into him at center for the duration of his deal. Boston would have to retain money for me to have any interest, but here is a deal that could benefit both teams:

To Philly: Backes, with 40% retention, aav would now be 3.6 million and Boston's 4th round pick (#119)

To Boston: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and a 7th round pick in 2018


Another possibility is 22 year old Sam Bennett out of Calgary. Last year Bennett put up 11 goals and 26 points in 82 games. Bennett is a hard working player with decent size and wheels who, to be honest, has underachieved in Calgary. That being said, he only turns 22 this month and may just be a late bloomer. He has one year left on his deal with a cap hit of 1.95 million. I'm not sure Calgary would be looking to move Bennett, but if they were, I'd make the following offer:

TO Philly: Sam Bennett

To Calgary: the 19th pick overall, the Flyers first pick in the 5th round, and Jordan Weal

Lastly, there are some rumors out of Nashville, that the Preds may be one of the teams interested in making a run at signing Tavares. If that is the case, the Preds are going to need to clear some salary and probably will be looking to move one of their top 9 centers. The guy I'd target is Nick Bonino who has 3 years remaining at an aav of 4.1 million. Bonino is 30, is a hard working player who is good defensively, can kill penalties, has some skill and is a decent skater. Last year, he put up a mildly disappointing 12 goals and 25 points in 71 games however, all of his production was at ES as he got no pp time. For a 3C, that would be ok, and I also think Bonino could do a little better as he may have been feeling the weight of a new deal last year.

I would make the following offer:

TO Philly: Nick Bonino
TO Nashville: The Flyers 2nd round pick (#50) and Mike Vecchione.
- BiggE

These are reasonable suggestions, but I would rather see what Laughton could do as the 3C first. He's 24 years old and it's time to give him more ice time and better wingers and see how he does. He already turned his possession game around from 15-16 when it was bad.