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Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 14 @ 9:42 PM ET

- VANTEL


I was making sure we had a 5'10 guy on each pairing, just so we can be really good in todays nhl.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 14 @ 9:43 PM ET
I was making sure we had a 5'10 guy on each pairing, just so we can be really good in todays nhl.
- Reubenkincade

President's trophies winners year after year
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:44 PM ET
Why can't I assume they have top pairing potential? You are all assuming that Hughes is going to be a 50 points 2nd pairing D.
- manvanfan


Because you're failing to say why you think they have top pairing potential.

I need more than just point totals and height. How are they defensively? What's their gap control like? how is the player at anticipating what the opposing team is going to do defensively? I don't care how tall you are, if you're questionable in those areas against junior players, then I doubt you have 25 minute NHL dman potential.

Not every tall dman in the NHL who has offensive skills is someone who can play 25 mins a night on a cup winning team.


And no where did I say Hughes is for sure going to be a 50 point dman lol, read again.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:46 PM ET
For your own good stay off Twitter tonight
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:47 PM ET
I was making sure we had a 5'10 guy on each pairing, just so we can be really good in todays nhl.
- Reubenkincade

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:48 PM ET
For your own good stay off Twitter forever
- VANTEL

fixed
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 14 @ 9:50 PM ET
For your own good stay off Twitter tonight
- VANTEL


Not on twitter ever, I rely on you to give twitter updates.
What is going on in the twitter world?
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:50 PM ET
I'm just waking up and I read Carols bit on Swedish meatballs


Some serious debate on defensemen here, love it!
BobBot
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jun 14 @ 9:51 PM ET
im with nucker on this one

you don't pass on hughes just because he won't be a top pair shutdown guy

different consideration when it comes to boqvist however due to higher risk factors
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 14 @ 9:57 PM ET
I'm just waking up and I read Carols bit on Swedish meatballs


Some serious debate on defensemen here, love it!

- LeftCoaster


Will you be sharing your opinion on the defenseman potentially available too us at 7?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 14 @ 9:57 PM ET
Because you're failing to say why you think they have top pairing potential.

I need more than just point totals and height. How are they defensively? What's their gap control like? how is the player at anticipating what the opposing team is going to do defensively? I don't care how tall you are, if you're questionable in those areas against junior players, then I doubt you have 25 minute NHL dman potential.

Not every tall dman in the NHL who has offensive skills is someone who can play 25 mins a night on a cup winning team.


And no where did I say Hughes is for sure going to be a 50 point dman lol, read again.

- Nucker101


Defence can be taught. Offence can't. Size also can't be taught.

He may not have Dobson’s size and defensive awareness, or Boqvist’s raw skill; but he’s arguably the most well-rounded defender in the draft outside of the guy we all know is going to go first overall. That’s enough to slot him in as the eigth-best prospect in this year’s draft.


Canucksarmy about Ty Smith. Even they use size as a judgement.

They almost explain there own reason for being so far off in ranking defenders then NHL scouts.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 14 @ 9:59 PM ET
5'10 , 6 ' what is 2 inches
- VANTEL


Let me ask your wife...
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 14 @ 9:59 PM ET
I'm just waking up and I read Carols bit on Swedish meatballs


Some serious debate on defensemen here, love it!

- LeftCoaster

They like the midgets.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 14 @ 10:00 PM ET
Defence can be taught. Offence can't. Size also can't be taught.



Canucksarmy about Ty Smith. Even they use size as a judgement.

They almost explain there own reason for being so far off in ranking defenders then NHL scouts.

- manvanfan

I guess here's where we disagree. I guess there's a lot of lazy or just flat out stubborn taller dmen out there who refuse to defend....

Looks like they use "defensive awareness" as a judgement too. Interesting. Can awareness be taught? Someone tell Virtanen and David Booth!


To put it into simpler terms. I view Bouchard and Hughes both as offensive players who will be limited defensively. I simply prefer the player who is flat out better in my eyes.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 14 @ 10:01 PM ET
Not on twitter ever, I rely on you to give twitter updates.
What is going on in the twitter world?

- Reubenkincade



Marlies and TO media
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 14 @ 10:01 PM ET
Will you be sharing your opinion on the defenseman potentially available too us at 7?
- Reubenkincade

My opinion on all of these kids and our organization is we need highend talented kids. We don't need a kid who can do it all, you can pair a smooth skating puck caring dman with a partner who is the opposite of what he is but we dearly need more talent within the organization.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jun 14 @ 10:01 PM ET
Divine intervention!!!!

lol

- LordHumungous

omg that's so ridiculous! Of course it means the proof of god not that his wife was screwing around
People look for every excuse to believe nonsense like god, aliens, superstition
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 14 @ 10:01 PM ET
The thing people don't realize about Hughes, and I didn't notice it until WC, is that despite his small size he still held his own vs NHL players. The kid has top pairing potential(a #2 not a #1). IF he grew a couple inches(which could technically happen) the kid could be seen as a future #1. Give him a more mobile Gudbranson and you will have a solid top pairing someday(unless he busts)
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 10:02 PM ET
The problem is if you don't ever try, it really isn't ever going to happen.
- manvanfan

Yup - nobody here knows that Bouchard and Dobson can’t be a number 1.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 14 @ 10:03 PM ET
They like the midgets.
- manvanfan

Size when you're an extremely skilled player is no matter to me, when you're undersized and just good offensively I'm not a fan.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 14 @ 10:04 PM ET
Yup - nobody here knows that Bouchard and Dobson can’t be a number 1.
- CanuckDon

nobody here "knows" anything for sure about any of the top prospects' futures. Neither does a scout or GM. We're all just guessing.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 10:05 PM ET
im with nucker on this one

you don't pass on hughes just because he won't be a top pair shutdown guy

different consideration when it comes to boqvist however due to higher risk factors

- BobBot

Agreed. Although, anybody that says Dobson or Bouchard definitely can’t be a number 1 are ****** in the ****
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 14 @ 10:05 PM ET
Let me ask your wife...
- Pres.cup



She hasn't seen me naked in years. You should ask the neighbors.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 14 @ 10:06 PM ET
There's way too many blue collared players in the Canucks organization, they lack skill in the worst way, that needs to change before they can be successful.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 14 @ 10:07 PM ET
There's way too many blue collared players in the Canucks organization, the lack skill in the worst way, that needs to change before they can be successful.
- LeftCoaster


People here have been complaining about the pathetic point totals from our defense for years and now all of a sudden we're too good for a guy who can potentially put up big points but won't play 25 mins a night
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