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Jun 14 @ 12:17 PM ET
While I agree the NHL/owners/management and the NHLPA needs to do more for players it also falls on the players to start respecting each other more. Carcillo can point out how the NHL needs to do better but when will the players stop with the head shots?
While I agree the NHL/owners/management and the NHLPA needs to do more for players it also falls on the players to start respecting each other more. Carcillo can point out how the NHL needs to do better but when will the players stop with the head shots? - nastyflyergirl
While I agree the NHL/owners/management and the NHLPA needs to do more for players it also falls on the players to start respecting each other more. Carcillo can point out how the NHL needs to do better but when will the players stop with the head shots? - nastyflyergirl
Agreed.
Back in the 70s, there may have been tons of fights and the occasional bench clearing brawls, but head shots were extremely rare. It was strictly against the code and considered wholly unacceptable.
Players today may be buddies off the ice, but there seems to be a serious lack of respect on it. Until this fundamentally changes, the problem will persist no matter how hard the league cracks down.
That being said, the league is far from blameless when it comes to this issue. Blatant and deliberate shots to an opponents head cannot be tolerated. A first offense should cost a player 20 games without pay. A second should cost them a full season and a third a lifetime ban.
It’s that serious. Players lives and the lives of their families are being destroyed. It needs to stop.
While I agree the NHL/owners/management and the NHLPA needs to do more for players it also falls on the players to start respecting each other more. Carcillo can point out how the NHL needs to do better but when will the players stop with the head shots? - nastyflyergirl
It seems to take years to work some of the bad habits that players have out of "hockey culture".
What was a good hit years ago is a bad hit now. That stuff doesn't stop overnight. Players are coached and trained a certain way at lower levels and don't shed bad habits easily.
I feel like pro football is going through similar issues with cleaning up how players are supposed to make contact.
It seems to take years to work some of the bad habits that players have out of "hockey culture".
What was a good hit years ago is a bad hit now. That stuff doesn't stop overnight. Players are coached and trained a certain way at lower levels and don't shed bad habits easily.
I feel like pro football is going through similar issues with cleaning up how players are supposed to make contact. - johndewar
Bad hits will always happen, it’s the nature of a contact sport played at high speed. It’s the deliberate targeting of an opponents head that has to stop. It cannot and should not be tolerated.
Bad hits will always happen, it’s the nature of a contact sport played at high speed. It’s the deliberate targeting of an opponents head that has to stop. It cannot and should not be tolerated. - BiggE
Even thinking back to when the league wanted to stop players from hitting from behind.....that poop still happens regularly. Not as regularly as before, but it still happens enough.
I mean, they needed to stitch stop signs on kids' jerseys at lower levels of the sport just to provide a meaningful visual cue:
Even thinking back to when the league wanted to stop players from hitting from behind.....that poop still happens regularly. Not as regularly as before, but it still happens enough.
I mean, they needed to stitch stop signs on kids' jerseys at lower levels of the sport just to provide a meaningful visual cue:
- johndewar
Even that though is tougher to remove from the game. You have a guy, who has possession of the puck, lined up for a legal hit and at the last second he turns. That’s pretty hard to avoid. OTOH, hauling off and deliberately elbowing a guy in the head has absolutely no place in the game and needs to be dealt with severely
Even that though is tougher to remove from the game. You have a guy, who has possession of the puck, lined up for a legal hit and at the last second he turns. That’s pretty hard to avoid. OTOH, hauling off and deliberately elbowing a guy in the head has absolutely no place in the game and needs to be dealt with severely - BiggE
But but but...what if the player is a smaller guy and he needs to throw a flying elbow to protect himself?
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Jun 14 @ 1:15 PM ET
But but but...what if the player is a smaller guy and he needs to throw a flying elbow to protect himself? - jmatchett383
He can't be macho man
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Jun 14 @ 1:21 PM ET
I think it’s great what Carcillo is doing. It really would have made the video juicier if he called out players who are giving out these head shots consistently.
Scribes seem to think they could target Stastny as a possible target. Hextall said to be looking at short term type deals on veteran pieces. Possibly 2-3 year deals.
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Jun 14 @ 1:31 PM ET
Saw the Hextall interviews.
Scribes seem to think they could target Stastny as a possible target. Hextall said to be looking at short term type deals on veteran pieces. Possibly 2-3 year deals. - J35Bacher
2-3 sounds good so as to allow prospects to filter in and force trades if needed. Longer deals might be tougher to trade.
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Jun 14 @ 1:39 PM ET
Also got the sense Hextall will not be sitting on his hands at the draft and could be aggressive. Scribes also seemed to think they like Dobson. - J35Bacher
It's a good time to be a Flyers fan year round.
Any of this gang heading over next Wednesday to the Phillies game which season ticket holders could have grabbed tickets to?
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Jun 14 @ 1:51 PM ET
It is because they actually have flexibility to do things. They have cap space, prospects and picks that can make things happen. - J35Bacher
Which all is Hextall's doing, the plan may have taken longer to get to where we are but it definitely is starting to look a hell of a lot better than things did when Holmgren had them in cap hell.
Also got the sense Hextall will not be sitting on his hands at the draft and could be aggressive. Scribes also seemed to think they like Dobson. - J35Bacher
What's not to like...he played like a boss in the memorial cup tourny. I just don't know if its worth both our first rounders, which is what I would assume it would take to get him.
Which all is Hextall's doing, the plan may have taken longer to get to where we are but it definitely is starting to look a hell of a lot better than things did when Holmgren had them in cap hell. - dragonoffrost
It's all cyclical. When the Flyers get to the point of hopefully becoming a contender, we'll see the Flyers come up against the Cap again and enter" cap hell". Just like pretty much every top team will or has. It is the design of the salary cap to do so. The hope is that there is a payoff in it and you don't get to the point where you now have an aging team on the down side and now have too many contracts where the player is not living up to the cost.
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Jun 14 @ 2:20 PM ET
Saw the Hextall interviews.
Scribes seem to think they could target Stastny as a possible target. Hextall said to be looking at short term type deals on veteran pieces. Possibly 2-3 year deals. - J35Bacher
Stastny played with Ehlers and Laine for a large part of his time with the Jets.
He's kind of an average skater, but an okay stopgap for a few years. He is going to be 33 this year, as long as the term is low.
That 3C will be a hole I think either way. I dont want some overpayment for Riley Nash -that dude is 29 and not some 23 year old kid about to breakout.
