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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
I thought Artemi Panarin won it that year? McDavid (frank)ed up his collar bone around American Thanksgiving and was out a substantial time.

Edit: Never mind, I see this has already been pointed out

- RickJames77

What is this, take a shot at Wedgie Day?

Are you going to call me out on whether or not Matthews actually won a bowl of soup?
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 12 @ 11:48 AM ET


One of my all-time favourite Simpsons quotes.

- GreatGigInTheSky

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
Bergevins ears perk up ... Grit? any grit?

Sold!

- senstroll

Can he speak French?
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 12 @ 11:49 AM ET
I thought Artemi Panarin won it that year? Two goons on the Flyers (frank)ed up McDavid's collar bone intentionally around American Thanksgiving and he was out a substantial time.

Fixed

- RickJames77

LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Jun 12 @ 11:50 AM ET
Matthews around 10-11 or if his agent his smart he ask for the superstar 13-15% of the cap deal giving him 11- 12.75 per.
Marner and nylander, nothing over 7.5

- Fakepartofme



I laugh at the ppl who think Matthews is worth 5 million per year more than Marner.

Maybe 2-3 million per year more but no more than that.

The whole argument that Matthews is a #1 centre doesn't automatically give him 5 mill more lol.

Marner has done just as much for the team as Matthews has in their first 2 seasons imo.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 12 @ 11:51 AM ET
Can he speak French?
- Atomic Wedgie

not important...but he will play center no matter what
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 12 @ 11:51 AM ET
I laugh at the ppl who think Matthews is worth 5 million per year more than Marner.

Maybe 2-3 million per year more but no more than that.

The whole argument that Matthews is a #1 centre doesn't automatically give him 5 mill more lol.

Marner has done just as much for the team as Matthews has in their first 2 seasons imo.

- LeafGuy89

fully agree

Matthews 11M/yr
Marner 9M/yr

both long term
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 12 @ 11:51 AM ET
Can he speak French?
- Atomic Wedgie

Anybody can! Just make sure you have peanut butter on hand.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
What is this, take a shot at Wedgie Day?

Are you going to call me out on whether or not Matthews actually won a bowl of soup?

- Atomic Wedgie
You never go full Uggie
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jun 12 @ 11:54 AM ET
Bergevins ears perk up ... Grit? any grit?

Sold!

- senstroll

Thompson's PPG is pretty surprising.
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jun 12 @ 12:01 PM ET
I laugh at the ppl who think Matthews is worth 5 million per year more than Marner.

Maybe 2-3 million per year more but no more than that.

The whole argument that Matthews is a #1 centre doesn't automatically give him 5 mill more lol.

Marner has done just as much for the team as Matthews has in their first 2 seasons imo.

- LeafGuy89


Matthews changing representation to the Orr group is an indication that he will be seeking big money. When Matthews and Marner sign will have an impact on how much, as well their performance this season if they do not sign this summer. So far, as Wedgie pointed out, he has not performed as well as McDavid, so why would similar money? Marner should get similar money to Pastrnak - no more, no less.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jun 12 @ 12:02 PM ET
Can anyone think of any good "top free agent" signings in the last decade?

The only one that comes to mind is Hossa.

Parise I guess wasn't terrible, but not great either.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 12 @ 12:03 PM ET
Matthews changing representation to the Orr group is an indication that he will be seeking big money. When Matthews and Marner sign will have an impact on how much, as well their performance this season if they do not sign this summer. So far, as Wedgie pointed out, he has not performed as well as McDavid, so why would similar money? Marner should get similar money to Pastrnak - no more, no less.
- winsix

This is actually a non-story.

Matthews' agent changed agencies. Matthews decided to stick with the agent.

It's not an indication of anything.

Although I'm sure he's seeking big money - with whomever represents him.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
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Jun 12 @ 12:04 PM ET
Can anyone think of any good "top free agent" signings in the last decade?

The only one that comes to mind is Hossa.

Parise I guess wasn't terrible, but not great either.

- Atomic Wedgie

Do Suter and Parise count? They were already decided.

Chara is probably the best ever.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 12 @ 12:05 PM ET
Matthews changing representation to the Orr group is an indication that he will be seeking big money. When Matthews and Marner sign will have an impact on how much, as well their performance this season if they do not sign this summer. So far, as Wedgie pointed out, he has not performed as well as McDavid, so why would similar money? Marner should get similar money to Pastrnak - no more, no less.
- winsix


From what I read, Mathews agent was the one moving to the Orr group...and he just followed staying with his agent.

I dont think it really means anything different

RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 12 @ 12:06 PM ET
Can anyone think of any good "top free agent" signings in the last decade?

The only one that comes to mind is Hossa.

Parise I guess wasn't terrible, but not great either.

- Atomic Wedgie

Chara. He is a bit more than a decade, but that was a good signing. He is also a freak of nature.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:10 PM ET
Can anyone think of any good "top free agent" signings in the last decade?

The only one that comes to mind is Hossa.

Parise I guess wasn't terrible, but not great either.

- Atomic Wedgie


suter
martin jones worked out great for boston as well

do you guys remember the 'brad richards sweepstakes' - leafs dodged that bullet
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jun 12 @ 12:11 PM ET
From what I read, Mathews agent was the one moving to the Orr group...and he just followed staying with his agent.

I dont think it really means anything different

- senstroll


I don't agree entirely, what you said about the individual agent is correct but:
you have to wonder about the motivation and timing of that individual. He was likely approached with something like "we can get more money for Matthews than Brisson.... plus we'll throw in an extra bonus for you....."
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 12 @ 12:11 PM ET
Chara. He is a bit more than a decade, but that was a good signing. He is also a freak of nature.
- RickJames77


Chara signed for 7.5 with a 44 mil cap

that would be the same as someone signing for 14 mil today
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 04.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:14 PM ET
I don't agree entirely, what you said about the individual agent is correct but:
you have to wonder about the motivation and timing of that individual. He was likely approached with something like "we can get more money for Matthews than Brisson.... plus we'll throw in an extra bonus for you....."

- winsix

these agents have 20+ players they represent.
0 relation to matthews' contract per se
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
Chara signed for 7.5 with a 44 mil cap

that would be the same as someone signing for 14 mil today

- senstroll

Damn - fair enough
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 12 @ 12:16 PM ET
suter
martin jones worked out great for boston as well

do you guys remember the 'brad richards sweepstakes' - leafs dodged that bullet

- MaximusAurelius

Please do explain. The Sharks didn't sign him as an RFA off of the Bruins.
winsix
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Jun 12 @ 12:18 PM ET
Chara. He is a bit more than a decade, but that was a good signing. He is also a freak of nature.
- RickJames77


I agree with Chara ; Forgetting the decade limitation for a moment here four more good ones:


Adam Graves NYR
Ed Belfour Dallas
Scott Niedermayer Ducks
Scott Stevens New Jersey

(all won cups after signing with their new teams, and were a major factor.)
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 04.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:19 PM ET
Please do explain. The Sharks didn't sign him as an RFA off of the Bruins.
- RickJames77

if i remember well, bruins traded for him as a pending rfa.
than sj gm threatened with an offer sheet (which boston would have trouble with matching). he then was offered a new contract by sj.
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jun 12 @ 12:20 PM ET
these agents have 20+ players they represent.
0 relation to matthews' contract per se

- MaximusAurelius


what are you trying to say?
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