I'm trying to settle a dispute and I need some help from some people that actually know hockey. Are the following two trade scenarios realistic? Would either of these teams do this? I'd appreciate some feedback and details on why or why not this could happen.

1. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Chicago Blackhawks for G Corey Crawford. Straight up one for one trade.

2. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Dallas Stars for D Julius Honka.

I'm trying to settle a dispute and I need some help from some people that actually know hockey. Are the following two trade scenarios realistic? Would either of these teams do this? I'd appreciate some feedback and details on why or why not this could happen.

1. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Chicago Blackhawks for G Corey Crawford. Straight up one for one trade.

2. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Dallas Stars for D Julius Honka.
- TonyBazz

Trade #1 is flat out idiotic.

Trade #2, I would need another asset coming back besides Honka, preferably an NHL ready Forward.

Trade #1 is flat out idiotic.

Trade #2, I would need another asset coming back besides Honka, preferably an NHL ready Forward.
- MBFlyerfan

Really? Because I think Philly would need to give up more. Dallas wouldn't be interested in a Simmonds rental anyways. And they certainly wouldn't give up a great defenseman prospect to get a rental either. Going into this last year Honka was one of the most anticipated D prospects in the world. He was ranked 55th overall on the top 100 prospects list a d 7th among defensemen. Former 14th overall pick too. Dallas has too much invested in him to trade him away for a guy about to become an UFA. Hextall would take that deal and run like he stole it.

I'm trying to settle a dispute and I need some help from some people that actually know hockey. Are the following two trade scenarios realistic? Would either of these teams do this? I'd appreciate some feedback and details on why or why not this could happen.

1. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Chicago Blackhawks for G Corey Crawford. Straight up one for one trade.

2. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Dallas Stars for D Julius Honka.
- TonyBazz

1. No.

2. No.

I'm trying to settle a dispute and I need some help from some people that actually know hockey. Are the following two trade scenarios realistic? Would either of these teams do this? I'd appreciate some feedback and details on why or why not this could happen.

1. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Chicago Blackhawks for G Corey Crawford. Straight up one for one trade.

2. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Dallas Stars for D Julius Honka.
- TonyBazz

1. Hell no

2. No

1. Hell no

2. No
- arichardson22

1. No.

2. No.
- Sinisalo4vr

Why and why?

Really? Because I think Philly would need to give up more. Dallas wouldn't be interested in a Simmonds rental anyways. And they certainly wouldn't give up a great defenseman prospect to get a rental either. Going into this last year Honka was one of the most anticipated D prospects in the world. He was ranked 55th overall on the top 100 prospects list a d 7th among defensemen. Former 14th overall pick too. Dallas has too much invested in him to trade him away for a guy about to become an UFA. Hextall would take that deal and run like he stole it.
- TonyBazz

I see it as weakening further a position of weakness(wing), to add to a position of strength(young offensive defensemen).

As for Trading Simmonds for Crawford, I think the Hawks would do that deal in a millisecond.

I see it as weakening further a position of weakness(wing), to add to a position of strength(young offensive defensemen).

As for Trading Simmonds for Crawford, I think the Hawks would do that deal in a millisecond.
- MBFlyerfan

Dallas isn't going to trade for a rental. They're not at that point right now. They're not contenders. They're certainly not going to give up their 2nd best prospect for a rental either. And Chicago wouldn't trade their franchise goalie for a 2nd line RW rental. Especially when their goalies are trash behind Crawford. Did you not see the accountant this year? I feel like I'm living in the Twilight zone by having to explain this to you.

What about Giroux?

Also, I think Konecny could be that guy. Like you said with Provorov: not there yet, but there is potential. Guy's only played 2 seasons, so I think the jury is still out on him.

Also, I get what you're saying, and while they don't have Gagne's all-around game, all of Simmonds, Knuble, and Hartnell all had multiple 30+ goal years.
- jmatchett383

You're misunderstanding. It's not about goals and even it were, Gagne was a two time 40 goal scorer on top of being a top Power Play Specialist and top pair Penalty Killing Specialist. Knuble, Hartnell, Simmonds and I'm not buying Konecny will be all of these things. Giroux has been great at wing but I'm talking about drafting a player more in terms of Gagne's style. Let's face it, G is getting up there.

Why and why?
- TonyBazz

1. I rather trade Simmonds for future impact assets whether it’s draft picks or a younger current nhl player and not a stop gap goalie.

2. I rather trade for a young forward or a bigger defenseman

I'm trying to settle a dispute and I need some help from some people that actually know hockey. Are the following two trade scenarios realistic? Would either of these teams do this? I'd appreciate some feedback and details on why or why not this could happen.

1. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Chicago Blackhawks for G Corey Crawford. Straight up one for one trade.

2. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Dallas Stars for D Julius Honka.
- TonyBazz

Mistake 1.

Damn Tony took a beating in here

Damn Tony took a beating in here
- Nucker101

He wanted real hockey people opinions and he got 'em.

He wanted real hockey people opinions and he got 'em.
- bighandsome91

Actually nah, nobody gave any reasons or said anything at all

I'm trying to settle a dispute and I need some help from some people that actually know hockey. Are the following two trade scenarios realistic? Would either of these teams do this? I'd appreciate some feedback and details on why or why not this could happen.

1. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Chicago Blackhawks for G Corey Crawford. Straight up one for one trade.

2. Flyers trade RW Wayne Simmonds to the Dallas Stars for D Julius Honka.
- TonyBazz

1. No. Crawford has two more years at 6 million and is 33. I think Simmonds has more value to get you something better then just Crawford.

2. I don't think Dallas would do that and I am not sure I want Honka. I think there are other defenders I would target before him. Just preference for me. Also I believe Nischukin is coming back so that will add to their wings.

Dallas isn't going to trade for a rental. They're not at that point right now. They're not contenders. They're certainly not going to give up their 2nd best prospect for a rental either. And Chicago wouldn't trade their franchise goalie for a 2nd line RW rental. Especially when their goalies are trash behind Crawford. Did you not see the accountant this year? I feel like I'm living in the Twilight zone by having to explain this to you.
- TonyBazz

No need to be a wienerhead. So now Crawford is a franchise goalie?

Ok, Im done here. I tried to have a respectful discussion and you turned it into insults.

Actually nah, nobody gave any reasons or said anything at all
- TonyBazz

You got 3-4 people (including me) who answered why.

No need to be a wienerhead. So now Crawford is a franchise goalie?

Ok, Im done here. I tried to have a respectful discussion and you turned it into insults.
- MBFlyerfan

Not only is it questionable to consider Crawford to still be a franchise goalie, he's also coming off a season in which he missed a lot of time due to vertigo issues. These types of issues, which may or may not be related to prior concussions, can and often do, come back again and again and could be career threatening. There is no way in hell that I'm trading Simmonds for a guy in that position.

The second trade makes no sense at all as you already stated. Not so much due the value coming back, but because the trade doesn't address the Flyers needs both now and in the near future. If you are going to move Simmonds, you want some combo of a 1st round pick and/or an NHL ready young forward (preferably a center or left wing) coming back in the deal.

Not only is it questionable to consider Crawford to still be a franchise goalie, he's also coming off a season in which he missed a lot of time due to vertigo issues. These types of issues, which may or may not be related to prior concussions, can and often do, come back again and again and could be career threatening. There is no way in hell that I'm trading Simmonds for a guy in that position.

The second trade makes no sense at all as you already stated. Not so much due the value coming back, but because the trade doesn't address the Flyers needs both now and in the near future. If you are going to move Simmonds, you want some combo of a 1st round pick and/or an NHL ready young forward (preferably a center or left wing) coming back in the deal.
- BiggE

With the Ekman-Larson deal, Provorov at 8 for 8?


Second question. Would there be any interest in Lucic if Edmonton included pick 10 and retained some salary?

With the Ekman-Larson deal, Provorov at 8 for 8?


Second question. Would there be any interest in Lucic if Edmonton included pick 10 and retained some salary?
- J35Bacher

I just see Lucic aging not well and having Vinny/Lehtera like skating in the short term. I would pass.

With the Ekman-Larson deal, Provorov at 8 for 8?


Second question. Would there be any interest in Lucic if Edmonton included pick 10 and retained some salary?
- J35Bacher

Would absolutely give Provorov 8 for 8, he's worth it and if he does end up a Norris finalist or winner at some point, 8 million will be a steal.

Want no part of Lucic, I don't think he's going to age well. If I'm moving Simmonds to Edmonton and they are parting with the 10th pick already, I don't think they'd be willing to give up much more. I'd push for them to add in their 2019 2nd rounder and if they'd be willing, I'd do the deal.

Would absolutely give Provorov 8 for 8, he's worth it and if he does end up a Norris finalist or winner at some point, 8 million will be a steal.

Want no part of Lucic, I don't think he's going to age well. If I'm moving Simmonds to Edmonton and they are parting with the 10th pick already, I don't think they'd be willing to give up much more. I'd push for them to add in their 2019 2nd rounder and if they'd be willing, I'd do the deal.
- BiggE

For this part it would be a two deal move. If I got Lucic and 10 then i would move Simmonds in another deal.

I was just asking because people seem to think Lucic won't age well but Simmonds will recover and still be productive in his 30's which I don't think will happen since he has a slighter frame.

I was just curious.

For this part it would be a two deal move. If I got Lucic and 10 then i would move Simmonds in another deal.

I was just asking because people seem to think Lucic won't age well but Simmonds will recover and still be productive in his 30's which I don't think will happen since he has a slighter frame.

I was just curious.
- J35Bacher

I'm very concerned about moving forward with giving Simmonds a new deal. I'd be looking to move him either at the upcoming draft or during the upcoming season. Unless he's willing to take a deal that runs no more than 3 years, I'd stay away from re-signing him. It's not the money that concerns me when you talk about re-signing Simmonds, it's the term. I'd offer 3 years, 21 million and if he's not willing to commit to that or something similar, then trade him.

I'm very concerned about moving forward with giving Simmonds a new deal. I'd be looking to move him either at the upcoming draft or during the upcoming season. Unless he's willing to take a deal that runs no more than 3 years, I'd stay away from re-signing him. It's not the money that concerns me when you talk about re-signing Simmonds, it's the term. I'd offer 3 years, 21 million and if he's not willing to commit to that or something similar, then trade him.
- BiggE

I just have this feeling we will see another draft day trade like last year. Lots of teams with limited cap space looking for goal scoring. I think Hextall again gets a deal he can't turn down for Simmonds.

I'm very concerned about moving forward with giving Simmonds a new deal. I'd be looking to move him either at the upcoming draft or during the upcoming season. Unless he's willing to take a deal that runs no more than 3 years, I'd stay away from re-signing him. It's not the money that concerns me when you talk about re-signing Simmonds, it's the term. I'd offer 3 years, 21 million and if he's not willing to commit to that or something similar, then trade him.
- BiggE

I was listening to BSH Radio and they made an interesting point. TSN released a 30 player trade bait list but Simmonds was completley left off the list. But you’d think he’d be on it, and pretty high on it. Go back to last season, Schenn was on the list when no one really expected him to be traded. Perhaps they read too much into it buts it’s interesting. I personally hope we trade Simmonds.