They overpaid for Tatar which took away available cap space and draft picks that could have been used to get Karlsson.
- airjan23

Yeah, McPhee got greedy there(not the first time he's done that at the TDL lol).


The picks he used to get Tatar would be pretty damn valuable to use in a Karlsson trade.

Yeah, McPhee got greedy there(not the first time he's done at the TDL lol).


The picks he used to get Tatar would be pretty damn valuable to use in a Karlsson trade.
- Nucker101

Unnecessary trade by Vegas. They didn't need Tatar. IMO, they can only hope they can move him as part of the return for a bigger trade.

San Jose

The only reason they are here is that they are in the Pacific Division. This team is old and leans too heavily on players who are older and closer to their twilight than their prime. They had a great window to strike, but that window is pretty much closed. Signing Evander Kane to a 7M per year deal isn’t going to move the needle.

Wow, massive douche comment completely devoid of facts. Couture is entering his prime, they have 2 of the best defenders in the league, and have a very youthful group of forwards. Kane isn't going to move the needle? Except that when he showed up until he injured his shoulder in the late in the Ducks series, he was a force of nature and rejuvenated the team. Maybe try watching a game now and again Jon Snow.

They overpaid for Tatar which took away available cap space and draft picks that could have been used to get Karlsson.
- airjan23

Yeah that 26 million plus of cap space with 16 players signed.........Really, they are far and away dangerous to sign anyone.

Wow, massive douche comment completely devoid of facts. Couture is entering his prime, they have 2 of the best defenders in the league, and have a very youthful group of forwards. Kane isn't going to move the needle? Except that when he showed up until he injured his shoulder in the late in the Ducks series, he was a force of nature and rejuvenated the team. Maybe try watching a game now and again Jon Snow.
- IntotheTeal

Burns is 33 years old, how much longer do you think he's going to be as dominant?

Pavelski? 33 years old. Maybe two more years of this level?

Thornton? I mean come on. He was such a great friggin player, but his body can't hold up anymore.

The Sharks still have some good mid-level players, but the core guys you're built around is fading.

And Jones? He's still got some good play in him, but he's not the starter he was. San Jose is a playoff team for sure, but they are just not a serious contender.

Yeah that 26 million plus of cap space with 16 players signed.........Really, they are far and away dangerous to sign anyone.
- Sec111

i think he means in a trade for Karlsson. But yeah, they can still use their cap space to take on a bad contract like Bobby Ryan and maybe give up Tatar in return to reduce the price of Karlsson.

Wow, massive douche comment completely devoid of facts. Couture is entering his prime, they have 2 of the best defenders in the league, and have a very youthful group of forwards. Kane isn't going to move the needle? Except that when he showed up until he injured his shoulder in the late in the Ducks series, he was a force of nature and rejuvenated the team. Maybe try watching a game now and again Jon Snow.
- IntotheTeal

Isn’t Couture about to turn 30? He’s in the last year of his prime, not entering it. Burns and Vlasic are both excellent, but also into decline territory. You have young forwards, but none that will replace Pavelski or Thornton. Kane is great, but overpaid, and that won’t help matters.

Winnepeg is my pick. They are younger and bigger than Nashville. They also beat Nashville this year.

Re: Tatar Trade

Such a terrible move

Not only for the Assets they gave up, but for the Salary it eats up against their cap

Not a fit and I don't see what McPhee was thinking

Winnepeg is my pick. They are younger and bigger than Nashville. They also beat Nashville this year.
- Thunderbolt

If Nashville changes their goalie situation things will be quite different. Rinne has not been good.

Re: Tatar Trade

Such a terrible move

Not only for the Assets they gave up, but for the Salary it eats up against their cap

Not a fit and I don't see what McPhee was thinking
- RoloTahmasee

Yeah, it was a head scratcher. If I had to TRY and think why, he could have been anticipating Neal and/or Perron leaving. Still, too much to give up.

Isn’t Couture about to turn 30? He’s in the last year of his prime, not entering it. Burns and Vlasic are both excellent, but also into decline territory. You have young forwards, but none that will replace Pavelski or Thornton. Kane is great, but overpaid, and that won’t help matters.
- Rexypoo

I guess when you're a San Jose fan who's seen guys like Thornton, Marleau, and Pavelski stave away decline for way longer than the average NHL player, you might think 29 years old is the beginning of players' primes as well.

But yeah, that's the issue with San Jose. They have a solid youth movement, but no stars in said youth. If their stars were all three to four years younger, then they'd have a Penguins-like situation, but unfortunately, the stars are entering the twilight of their careers.

Wow, massive douche comment completely devoid of facts. Couture is entering his prime, they have 2 of the best defenders in the league, and have a very youthful group of forwards. Kane isn't going to move the needle? Except that when he showed up until he injured his shoulder in the late in the Ducks series, he was a force of nature and rejuvenated the team. Maybe try watching a game now and again Jon Snow.
- IntotheTeal

I forgave Kanes antics as he started maturing. Trading him hurt the team on the left side.

The 1st round pick we got better be Kane 2.0 minus the antics.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing next seasons early results. Seems like this seasons playoff surprises opens up the run to the next Cup.

Have to think both Preds & The Peg will Be back so Gunners 'predictions' are going to be close (unless injury hits). I think where Tavares lands will determine the outcome for 2 teams - Islanders & ? (If he moves). If Toronto does actually snag his signature on a contract look out, may just be enough to get over their lack of experienced D.

(frank) I hope Phil is wearing a Pens uniform for the whole of next season.

EK claims Malkin is trying to get the Pens to keep Phil. It's EK, so we can only hope this is true.

I've said this a bunch, but I just don't think the Pens need to do much to the lineup. Unless they feel they need a "shake up" of sorts, I'd stick with what they've got and focus on upgrading the 3rd D pair.

I'm even fine with going in with Oleksiak, but they need a significant upgrade to whomever his partner winds up being.

EK claims Malkin is trying to get the Pens to keep Phil. It's EK, so we can only hope this is true.

I've said this a bunch, but I just don't think the Pens need to do much to the lineup. Unless they feel they need a "shake up" of sorts, I'd stick with what they've got and focus on upgrading the 3rd D pair.

I'm even fine with going in with Oleksiak, but they need a significant upgrade to whomever his partner winds up being.
- Rinosaur

I agree with you. I think the offseason plan should be simple.

1) Dump Hunwick any way you can.

2) Package Sheary or Hagelin with other assets to upgrade at LW. Max Domi is a good candidate here and I much prefer packaging Sheary.

3) Replace Hunwick with an actually competent bottom pairing #5 D man. We should do this through a vet minimum contract.

4) Sign all of our RFAs except Kuhnhackl. We have an over abundance of wings and every bit of cap space counts.

After that, have your camp and see if there are any WBS surprises.

I agree with you. I think the offseason plan should be simple.

1) Dump Hunwick any way you can.

2) Package Sheary or Hagelin with other assets to upgrade at LW. Max Domi is a good candidate here and I much prefer packaging Sheary.

3) Replace Hunwick with an actually competent bottom pairing #5 D man. We should do this through a vet minimum contract.

4) Sign all of our RFAs except Kuhnhackl. We have an over abundance of wings and every bit of cap space counts.

After that, have your camp and see if there are any WBS surprises.
- Victoro311

I've fixated on it since someone mentioned him a while back, but I'd like to see the Pens go after Petrovic from FLA. I think he'd be a good replacement for what they lost in Cole. I mean, if they can do better, then by all means.

I think Sheary or Hagelin can be used to get said upgrade on defense. As far as Domi is concerned, it's one of the few moments RW convinced me. I know he's playing in AZ, but his overall stats(basic and fancy) have been underwhelming. That's not to say I wouldn't like the Pens to pick him up, but I'm weary of the price.

I'd much rather the Pens seek out someone like Anthanasiou if he's unlikely to re-up with DET. DET is in a rebuild, so keeping around young talent I imagine is a priority. Sheary probably isn't as good as AA, but if DET is gonna lose him regardless, picking up Sheary is probably one of the better ROSTER players they'll get in trade.

But yes, dump Hunwick, re-sign the RFAs outside of Kuhnhackl.

But yeah, that's the issue with San Jose. They have a solid youth movement, but no stars in said youth. If their stars were all three to four years younger, then they'd have a Penguins-like situation, but unfortunately, the stars are entering the twilight of their careers.
- Victoro311

Hertl & Meier are not stars? Try watching a game.