Not more than 13 but probably will be 12-13. Throw in the fact that Matthews got McDavid's agency and he's looking at around 10M at least. Throw in JT and that's another 10. That's minimum 32M for 4 players... Not happening.

Good luck fitting 19 more players including a strong defence with only 50-60% of the cap space remaining.
- LittleBroDougie

Matthews likely gets what Eichel got. Maybe a bit less.... 34/16/29 could all be back loaded to fit 91 in... Gardiner might be a goner as well...

Cap wouldn't be an issue.. the marlies have players to provide for smaller cap hits..

Matthews likely gets what Eichel got. Maybe a bit less.... 34/16/29 could all be back loaded to fit 91 in... Gardiner might be a goner as well...

Cap wouldn't be an issue.. the marlies have players to provide for smaller cap hits..
- aries1976

In Torontos market, no way Matthews gets less. Unless hells still freezing you over there on the East Coast

Matthews likely gets what Eichel got. Maybe a bit less.... 34/16/29 could all be back loaded to fit 91 in... Gardiner might be a goner as well...

Cap wouldn't be an issue.. the marlies have players to provide for smaller cap hits..
- aries1976

Matthews wouldn't have switched to that specific agency if he was going to make Eichel money. I'm sure that could've been arranged either way.

From what I'm gathering from you, you'd rather jettison your whole team before letting JT walk to another market. Leafs don't need a top C, they need D help.

Kapanen is good. I dont think he is a reclamation project at all. As said above he is a victim of depth in his position. The TO games I watched, he seems to be the hardest working guy on the ice. Mind u he is on the 4th line mostly when I watched but i like him. I wouldn't include Bennett or Brodie in any deal for Kapanen though unless there is a bigger deal to be had. F the first round picks. The only first round pick im interested in is Ottawas. And I probably wouldnt like the payment. The 4th pick will fetch alot. Advantage is that Melnyk is a cheap wiener
- CapeBreton_er

His stats aren't there but the work ethic is... We already have one of those in Lazar and Bennett. If you could get Lazar+ for Kapanen do it by all means but that wouldn't happen.

Todd,

Do you think Brodie alone cane get us in the top 10 this year? If not what would it take?

Also do you think the Hall for Larson has any impact on a Brodie’s worth?
- jessehub

Top-10? No, I don't think so. Maybe Chicago would use 8th overall in a deal to upgrade on D but it'd probably cost a little more than just Brodie. I'm not sure what, though.

In Torontos market, no way Matthews gets less. Unless hells still freezing you over there on the East Coast
- Flamin_Irishmin

McDavid is the obvious comparable and he should get it (or just under) IMO.

See below - I posted this on the Leafs thread - thoughts??

How about this:

To Leafs:
Brodie

To Flames:
Kapanen
2018 1st
2018 7th (Toronto has 2 of them - so either one is fine)

Kapanen is somewhat of a gamble for the Flames. He might be the victim of too much Leafs right wing depth - or he could be what he has shown already - a fringe NHLer. I think his potential upside is enough for the Flames to hope that he could pan out into a top 6 RW for them. The 1st from the Leafs (25th overall) has to be part of the deal - the Flames need a first round pick and they don't trade a Top 4 Mobile D with good term and price (2 more years at 4.65 mil) without a first in the package. The 7th is a bit of a throw in because the Flames need picks and the Leafs have 2 in the 7th already.

I don't know - am I selling the Flames short on this one? Are the Leafs willing to part with this year's first?
- hags11

A defenseman who can step into the top pairing adequately for a 9 point winger and a late 1st? Who would say no to that.

A defenseman who can step into the top pairing adequately for a 9 point winger and a late 1st? Who would say no to that.
- fry

Everybody on the Toronto thread!

In Torontos market, no way Matthews gets less. Unless hells still freezing you over there on the East Coast
- Flamin_Irishmin

I'm in Calgary.

Matthews wouldn't have switched to that specific agency if he was going to make Eichel money. I'm sure that could've been arranged either way.

From what I'm gathering from you, you'd rather jettison your whole team before letting JT walk to another market. Leafs don't need a top C, they need D help.
- LittleBroDougie

Well. I don't see where I'm jettison any players..
Outside of the UFA's that wont be resigned. And maybe Gardiner for cap space.. and I really don't think Nylander is going anywhere.

Don't think the leafs get that needed DMan this off-season.

His stats aren't there but the work ethic is... We already have one of those in Lazar and Bennett. If you could get Lazar+ for Kapanen do it by all means but that wouldn't happen.
- LittleBroDougie

To be fair, Kapanen got most of his offensive chances shorthanded.... should be in top 9 from here on.

I wouldn't give up on Bennett yet... still might be something.... Lazar is looking like a high end AHL'er, which is surprising because he captained Canada at world juniors.

A defenseman who can step into the top pairing adequately for a 9 point winger and a late 1st? Who would say no to that.
- fry

We talking Hamilton or Brodie? As Brodie isn't a top pairing dman... even in Toronto...

Well. I don't see where I'm jettison any players..
Outside of the UFA's that wont be resigned. And maybe Gardiner for cap space.. and I really don't think Nylander is going anywhere.

Don't think the leafs get that needed DMan this off-season.

You would have to jettison your team if you wanted to fit that many high-end forwards on the team. Look at Chicago and Pittsburgh, they constantly get rid of top players to keep their two core forwards. Having 4 top forwards is near impossible especially when you factor in getting a real top pairing. Reilly is good but he has no one to play with. Speaking of which... Brodie would instantly slide into your top 2, he's better than Hainsey. You would want him top-4 ideally but he would be top-2 if the trade was pulled today.

To be fair, Kapanen got most of his offensive chances shorthanded.... should be in top 9 from here on.

I wouldn't give up on Bennett yet... still might be something.... Lazar is looking like a high end AHL'er, which is surprising because he captained Canada at world juniors.

I only saw Kapanen in playoffs - he had great speed but no finish from what I remember, he definitely has potential. Agreed on Benny and Lazar, that trade for him was dumb at the time and even worse now. I wouldn't want to see Bennett sent out either unless he brings back another stifled good prospect.

We talking Hamilton or Brodie? As Brodie isn't a top pairing dman... even in Toronto...
- aries1976

Brodie was a top pairing D when playing the right side with Gio 2 years ago. Not sure he can get back to that level or how much of it was Gio or what. Even the last 2 years that he had to adjust to the left side, look at his TOI & points. His cap hit for the next 2 years is also a selling feature. But I agree with you, Leafs will probably not get that needed D man, but their young guys are very young, so it wouldnt be the end of the world. But both Marner & Nylander are going to be in that 6-7 year term deals at around $6.0-$6.5 mill per & Matthews will be around 9.0 if you get him to sign early or likely $10 mill for 8 years if you wait the year & sign him next year.

Curious, would you guys move Leivo & 3rd rounder for Stone? He's better than Hainsey & Polak, solid #5 & can move up to #4 in a pinch. Could also play 2nd PP with his shot.

You would have to jettison your team if you wanted to fit that many high-end forwards on the team. Look at Chicago and Pittsburgh, they constantly get rid of top players to keep their two core forwards. Having 4 top forwards is near impossible especially when you factor in getting a real top pairing. Reilly is good but he has no one to play with. Speaking of which... Brodie would instantly slide into your top 2, he's better than Hainsey. You would want him top-4 ideally but he would be top-2 if the trade was pulled today.



I only saw Kapanen in playoffs - he had great speed but no finish from what I remember, he definitely has potential. Agreed on Benny and Lazar, that trade for him was dumb at the time and even worse now. I wouldn't want to see Bennett sent out either unless he brings back another stifled good prospect.
- LittleBroDougie

I honestly wouldn't pair Rielly with Brodie, I rather a defensive guy with Morgan. Rielly is pretty effective when he drives the play.

Hainsey was great the 1st half of last year, but just ran out of gas.. bit of a shame, he would be a very strong 5/6 because of his PK ability.

As for cap space, I don't think the leafs are in bad shape at all. Tavares or no Tavares.

Brodie was a top pairing D when playing the right side with Gio 2 years ago. Not sure he can get back to that level or how much of it was Gio or what. Even the last 2 years that he had to adjust to the left side, look at his TOI & points. His cap hit for the next 2 years is also a selling feature. But I agree with you, Leafs will probably not get that needed D man, but their young guys are very young, so it wouldnt be the end of the world. But both Marner & Nylander are going to be in that 6-7 year term deals at around $6.0-$6.5 mill per & Matthews will be around 9.0 if you get him to sign early or likely $10 mill for 8 years if you wait the year & sign him next year.

Curious, would you guys move Leivo & 3rd rounder for Stone? He's better than Hainsey & Polak, solid #5 & can move up to #4 in a pinch. Could also play 2nd PP with his shot.
- Kevin R

I think Stone might be alright... but only if other options fall apart... I think leivo could be had for a song and dance, not much foot speed, but has a strong shot, bangs a little so has appeal to the western conference... I think a future 4th or 5th can get him.... maybe Leivo and McElhinney or Pickard for Stone?

We talking Hamilton or Brodie? As Brodie isn't a top pairing dman... even in Toronto...
- aries1976

He averaged 23:41 min a night which is getting close to top pairing minutes. There were many nights that he led the Flames in ice time last year. This is actually why I don't think the Flames should move him unless someone blows their socks off with a stupid offer.

He averaged 23:41 min a night which is getting close to top pairing minutes. There were many nights that he led the Flames in ice time last year. This is actually why I don't think the Flames should move him unless someone blows their socks off with a stupid offer.
- tincup

Hearing that Tre defended Brodie at Ambassadors Club luncheon. Sounds like they are keeping him as well. Also sounds like he is going to make some deal. Hope they keep Hamilton. You wonder if a Sam Reinhart & RoR for Hamilton & Bennett scenario brewing, maybe Buff throw in the #32 in that deal? Also heard Ras Andersson is training in Calgary this summer. Flames very high on him. Got a buddy that attends these club meetings & likes to think he's an insider

His stats aren't there but the work ethic is... We already have one of those in Lazar and Bennett. If you could get Lazar+ for Kapanen do it by all means but that wouldn't happen.
- LittleBroDougie

Like i said above. Bennet or Brodie wouldn't be peices for Kapanen unless there was a bigger trade. U are right though. work ethic guys....Kapanen just so hapens to be a big RW

Like i said above. Bennet or Brodie wouldn't be peices for Kapanen unless there was a bigger trade. U are right though. work ethic guys....Kapanen just so hapens to be a big RW
- CapeBreton_er

6'1" and 187lbs isn't considered big in the NHL. The dude has also been a point per game player all of one time in his career. We already have one Curtis Lazar. Do we really need two?

I'm curious if Edmonton looked into him or not. There's been a lot of talk about finding potential hidden gems and a guy that played with Leon at the World's should be a target I would think.

Especially considering they were looking for that role player to replace Iiro

Hearing that Tre defended Brodie at Ambassadors Club luncheon. Sounds like they are keeping him as well. Also sounds like he is going to make some deal. Hope they keep Hamilton. You wonder if a Sam Reinhart & RoR for Hamilton & Bennett scenario brewing, maybe Buff throw in the #32 in that deal? Also heard Ras Andersson is training in Calgary this summer. Flames very high on him. Got a buddy that attends these club meetings & likes to think he's an insider
- Kevin R

(frank)ing OG

Hearing that Tre defended Brodie at Ambassadors Club luncheon. Sounds like they are keeping him as well. Also sounds like he is going to make some deal. Hope they keep Hamilton. You wonder if a Sam Reinhart & RoR for Hamilton & Bennett scenario brewing, maybe Buff throw in the #32 in that deal? Also heard Ras Andersson is training in Calgary this summer. Flames very high on him. Got a buddy that attends these club meetings & likes to think he's an insider
- Kevin R

Not a fan of moving Hamilton, although I'm quite high on RoR.

The Sam's are the same guy to me so that's a wash