There is a line. Problem is even if you get 60% of the people to agree where the general line is, the 20% on either side will never stop fighting for a little more each way. And when the 30% on each side that were fine with the line feel that they are being pushed passed what was generally agreed to, they push back harder. It's human nature.
- SDSabre

Of course
But we all should agree that there’s a serious problem right now

To me,
that means “the line” needs to be pushed in the direction which unfortunately screws over responsible gun owners

I recognize that sucks for them
But public safety call for it to be done unfortunately

I’ve shot these guns before
It’s actually pretty cool
But the thing is...

Ppl dying FAR OUTWEIGHS
the cool fun time i have shooting these weapons at the range

There has been a registry for firearms before, confiscations of bump stocks and proposed bans on "assault style weapons" which include everything from the oh-so-dreadful AR-15 to my deer hunting rifle. To say that it's never going to happen or that it's the NRA pushing the narrative is simply false.

No the Left has lost it's mind in terms of guns. I won't give up a thing. I have no plans to hurt anyone other than those that wish to disarm me.
- RhinoFan

What is your basis for this? Read this article - and this goes for those who believe mental health is the only issue at hand here.

https://www.npr.org/2017/...gun-sales-to-mentally-ill

The NRA absolutely pushes the narrative that the gov't is coming for their guns. When Democrats take office, gun sales go through the roof!

https://www.npr.org/2017/...ned-after-trumps-election

And for those who do feel mental health is the only issue, get back to me when our Republican congress passes legislation funding Mental Health. Give me a break!

Of course
But we all should agree that there’s a serious problem right now

To me,
that means “the line” needs to be pushed in the direction which unfortunately screws over responsible gun owners

I recognize that sucks for them
But public safety call for it to be done unfortunately

I’ve shot these guns before
It’s actually pretty cool
But the thing is...

Ppl dying FAR OUTWEIGHS
the cool fun time i have shooting these weapons at the range
- jdfitz77

Thank you for your commentary! Well done!

Which is just rhetoric coming from the NRA to inspire their members

IN REALITY...
nothing even remotely close to banning all guns has EVER actually been introduced as legislation

It’s not gonna happen
It’s all fear-mongering BS
- jdfitz77

That is completely, completely different than the discussions taking place in public forums like Facebook, and other social media in/outlets.
If you think about it like a funnel with discussions between average citizens at the mouth of the funnel, and legislation coming out the end of the final...you are talking about the part at the narrowest portion of said funnel just before the outlet...I’m talking about much, much further upstream.

I don't get those people.

But on the other hand I also don't understand the necessity to own military grade weaponry.
- ImThatGuy

What do you mean by this?

Best.
Season.
Ending.
Thread.
EVR!

how has every country been able to figure it out, yet in America its just a thing that happens.


- ImThatGuy

So what the stat shows is when people dont own guns there are a lot less mass shootings? Got it.

Of course
But we all should agree that there’s a serious problem right now

To me,
that means “the line” needs to be pushed in the direction which unfortunately screws over responsible gun owners

I recognize that sucks for them
But public safety call for it to be done unfortunately

I’ve shot these guns before
It’s actually pretty cool
But the thing is...

Ppl dying FAR OUTWEIGHS
the cool fun time i have shooting these weapons at the range
- jdfitz77

You're just not gonna get there with a lot of people. Then the next step will be why not hand guns? I don't have the stats but hand guns kill far more people, especially in very highly gun regulated areas such as Chicago. I don't own a gun, only fired a few, so either way for me personally I won't be effected. These are just questions that the opposing side will ask you when you say that, and if you don't have a good answer then they will think you're coming for all the guns, which is why you get the pushback. Do you see what I mean?

That is completely, completely different than the discussions taking place in public forums like Facebook, and other social media in/outlets.
If you think about it like a funnel with discussions between average citizens at the mouth of the funnel, and legislation coming out the end of the final...you are talking about the part at the narrowest portion of said funnel just before the outlet...I’m talking about much, much further upstream.
- IonSabres

Well of course the CRAZIES on BOTH SIDES are gonna make the loudest noise

Makes more sense to me that we focus on what will actually happen in reality
Instead of worrying about the jerks on each side

You're just not gonna get there with a lot of people. Then the next step will be why not hand guns? I don't have the stats but hand guns kill far more people, especially in very highly gun regulated areas such as Chicago. I don't own a gun, only fired a few, so either way for me personally I won't be effected. These are just questions that the opposing side will ask you when you say that, and if you don't have a good answer then they will think you're coming for all the guns, which is why you get the pushback. Do you see what I mean?
- SDSabre

But here’s the difference
A reasonable argument can be made that a hand gun can be used for protection
You can’t make that argument with an AR 15 and A LOT of other weapons out there

Gun owners wanna say it’s a slippery slope
And i understand that
But ppl are dying at alarming rates
Something NEEDS to be done

And there really is a difference between a gun u need to protect yourself with and one that’s designed or modifiable that can just kill dozens of ppl in seconds

No one NEEDS to own that type of weapon
Not to protect yourself
Not to hunt

Maybe those weapons can be available for use strictly at Gun ranges,
so that responsible owners can still have their fun?
Keep them locked up at the ranges,
and basically “rent” them when u wanna shoot there

U don’t need one in your house or out hunting in the woods though
U just don’t

So what the stat shows is when people dont own guns there are a lot less mass shootings? Got it.
- Mentalorgasm5

Yeah that’s pretty obvious, no?

More guns = more gun deaths

Not, more guns = more safety

damn, sorry I tried to encourage him to finish something and get a degree

Of course
But we all should agree that there’s a serious problem right now

To me,
that means “the line” needs to be pushed in the direction which unfortunately screws over responsible gun owners

I recognize that sucks for them
But public safety call for it to be done unfortunately

I’ve shot these guns before
It’s actually pretty cool
But the thing is...

Ppl dying FAR OUTWEIGHS
the cool fun time i have shooting these weapons at the range
- jdfitz77

Nope.
Sorry, I completely disagree and it could Not be stronger.

Before I explain, let me just say that I own one (1) gun, a pump shot-gun...
Oh, and I own zero, zip, nada, none of the ammo that could be used.
I own it purely for the sound affect of pumping the gun and being able to “bully” the intruder into thinking he /she s going to get real f’d-up...not just a B.B. in the a$$.
(Sure that could be dangerous, but I’ll take my chances as the risk to die is already high enough if an intruder is in my house.

The gun is a weapon, pure and simple.
The issue is what the perpetrator is experiencing that caused them to take such drastic measures.
So, if this country were to successfully unarmed completely (0.01% of that actually happening)...do you think these acts of transgression also disappear...or do you think an alternative method would be used by these mentally deficient individuals...bombs from fertilizer, pipe bombs, cars, trucks, pressure cookers....and whatever the next mass-tragedy weapon becomes.
No one can ensure that eliminating one weapon will eliminate mass-tragedy events...no one, ever.

Yeah that’s pretty obvious, no?

More guns = more gun deaths

Not, more guns = more safety
- sbroads24

Not necessarily.
https://www.investors.com...untry-for-mass-shootings/

- Reformed Background checks that consider serious mental disorders (a denial is appealable to a judge)
- Ex Parte seizures of weapons in the event a family member suspects mental instability or malicious intent; must have the right to a hearing within 3 days of the order
- Mandatory firearm safety course before purchase (waiveable with evidence of previous course attendance, police training, or military training)
- 1 Month Ban on the Press reporting the name of the shooter (effective at the time the shooter is apprehended by police)
- FREE mental health care

There. Nobody loses guns, we reduce the amount of psychos getting ahold of guns, the poop-ass media doesn't glorify the psycho, and the psychos get the help they desperately need rather than shooting up schools.
- feetontheair22

That's good stuff, you'll never get the ban on reporting, that's a first amendment issue, what would be better is if they got together and themselves decided to not report the name/show pictures.

You forgot one though, anyone whose gun is used, but is not the shooter, should face steep penalties, up to and including prison time. Getting people to secure their weapons would stop a lot of shootings.

Also, I hate to say it, but we need a federal law on gun purchases, it does no good for certain states to have strict laws only to be completely bypassed by buying guns from people in another state that has few, if any, laws on purchases. I'm not saying it has to match the strictest laws, but it needs to be uniform. Those states that sell to everybody need to pick up the slack.

Same, read that this morning and was kind of bummed, but not really all that surprised. He was a wiener, but he made a cool show and brought attention to a lot of places that, undeservedly, don't get it.
- Wetbandit1

Best steak I ever had was at Les Halles on Park Ave. Place was a mob scene. Served it with French Fries, which is the perfect meal for me. We went back a couple years later. Not many in the restaurant when we showed up, which is a bad sign. Was really disappointed. Don't know it for a fact, but thinking it coincided with Bourdain no longer owning or controlling.

Yeah that’s pretty obvious, no?

More guns = more gun deaths

Not, more guns = more safety
- sbroads24

Is that what that chart shows? It also shows Finland and Switzerland, both with over half the amount of guns p/100, yet 1/39th the shootings. America is like Risto with his 5v5 p/60(in this case high is bad and low is good) and Switzerland is like Karlsson.

Yeah that’s pretty obvious, no?

More guns = more gun deaths

Not, more guns = more safety
- sbroads24

Wrong.
Less gun deThs maybe, probably in fact.
More safety..not so much...increase in pipebombs, pressure cooker explosions, etc...
It ain’t the weapon.

That said...I for one am all for more background checks...however, that can also be abused in multiple ways.
The correlation of overall safety to the reduction of guns I believe to be low.

Ryan O'Reilly kneels during the national anthem

Best steak I ever had was at Les Halles on Park Ave. Place was a mob scene. Served it with French Fries, which is the perfect meal for me. We went back a couple years later. Not many in the restaurant when we showed up, which is a bad sign. Was really disappointed. Don't know it for a fact, but thinking it coincided with Bourdain no longer owning or controlling.
- Hatboro_Swords

Could be, could also be he was a little too far into the horse then too.

But here’s the difference
A reasonable argument can be made that a hand gun can be used for protection
You can’t make that argument with an AR 15 and A LOT of other weapons out there

Gun owners wanna say it’s a slippery slope
And i understand that
But ppl are dying at alarming rates
Something NEEDS to be done

And there really is a difference between a gun u need to protect yourself with and one that’s designed or modifiable that can just kill dozens of ppl in seconds

No one NEEDS to own that type of weapon
Not to protect yourself
Not to hunt

Maybe those weapons can be available for use strictly at Gun ranges,
so that responsible owners can still have their fun?
Keep them locked up at the ranges,
and basically “rent” them when u wanna shoot there

U don’t need one in your house or out hunting in the woods though
U just don’t
- jdfitz77

I feel your heart is in the right place in this issue, which is saving lives. The problem that you will run into is that people will counter that with if I own a handgun vs someone owning a rifle I'm probably dead. You can't just keep saying people are dying as a persuasive compromise, which is what you're going to have to achieve. The NRA doesn't like physco shootings anymore then the bleeding heart liberal, but when the alternative for them is the possibility of a government tyranny, which sure you and I can scoff at the notion, but think of it without this people having guns, the good people that you were talking about. Would be pretty easy for a government to seize control right? That's the argument that the 2nd amendment stands for. Like I said, I think your heart is in the right place, just come with a few more talking points then people are dying over and over.

Is that what that chart shows? It also shows Finland and Switzerland, both with over half the amount of guns p/100, yet 1/39th the shootings. America is like Risto with his 5v5 p/60(in this case high is bad and low is good) and Switzerland is like Karlsson.
- Wetbandit1

That's solid right there

There is only a small corner of the world that would understand what this analogy means.

Ryan O'Reilly kneels during the national anthem
- jcragcrumple

Just so he can get to his hip flask of Jame-O.

Wrong.
Less gun deThs maybe, probably in fact.
More safety..not so much...increase in pipebombs, pressure cooker explosions, etc...
It ain’t the weapon.

That said...I for one am all for more background checks...however, that can also be abused in multiple ways.
The correlation of overall safety to the reduction of guns I believe to be low.
- IonSabres

speculative

Nope.
Sorry, I completely disagree and it could Not be stronger.

Before I explain, let me just say that I own one (1) gun, a pump shot-gun...
Oh, and I own zero, zip, nada, none of the ammo that could be used.
I own it purely for the sound affect of pumping the gun and being able to “bully” the intruder into thinking he /she s going to get real f’d-up...not just a B.B. in the a$$.
(Sure that could be dangerous, but I’ll take my chances as the risk to die is already high enough if an intruder is in my house.

The gun is a weapon, pure and simple.
The issue is what the perpetrator is experiencing that caused them to take such drastic measures.
So, if this country were to successfully unarmed completely (0.01% of that actually happening)...do you think these acts of transgression also disappear...or do you think an alternative method would be used by these mentally deficient individuals...bombs from fertilizer, pipe bombs, cars, trucks, pressure cookers....and whatever the next mass-tragedy weapon becomes.
No one can ensure that eliminating one weapon will eliminate mass-tragedy events...no one, ever.
- IonSabres

Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try

It’s a lot harder for someone to go through the process to make a fertilizer bomb for example, than it is to just go grab a gun from Dad’s gun safe & walk out the door

Can these tragedies be completely stopped?

No, probably not

But the reason we make things illegal is to make it as hard on them as possible

And that’s what should be done here


Obviously you’re reasonable
U own a pump action shotgun, specifically to protect yourself
That’s fair

What would be overkill,
is if u owned a machine gun for “protection”

Get these weapons off the streets that can be use to kill dozens of ppl in seconds
There’s nothing about that which doesn’t make sense
No one needs to own them for any reason other than killing