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LandlordTom
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ice girls, please, NY
Joined: 07.16.2011

Jun 7 @ 7:41 PM ET
Trading O'Reilly And or risto forces mitts to #2 center and creates a huge whole in rhd. We need a goalie and a winger for Jack. And bottom 6 productivity.
- turbo044


I can see if both Mitts and Asplund make the team and show real signs of being capable at center (never mind where Erod fits in) then ROR might make good trade bait for this team at the tdl. Same with Risto...trade him for another rhd and its a wash. Trade him for a winger and what you said.

But I am skeptical that either will be dealt this summer and would be really surprised if Risto is gone at all.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 7:45 PM ET
TIL: The Lady Byng finalist, ROR, is a physical presence.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:49 PM ET
Straw man points my a$$

Is it easier to score 5v5 when u start in the Offensive zone instead of the defensive zone?
Yes or No


And is it reasonable to think a player would produce better when playing with Wilson & Reinhart... or Connor & Wheeler?


Both pretty obvious answers

But I’m sure you’ll avoid answering the questions so as to try & skew the discussion in a different direction

That’s your prerogative though i guess

- jdfitz77

Bruh, he was top 25 in o zone starts. And no where near top 25 in EV scoring.

He’s a very solid defensive forward, who’s offense is very, very over rated
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 7 @ 7:50 PM ET
I never banged a 10, but one night I took home five 2s.

I guess that puts me on the bottom 6, occasionally filling in on the top 9, but only when playing in Middle Zealand on Tuesdays and Sunday afternoons.

- LandlordTom

Well played
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

Jun 7 @ 7:53 PM ET
Can't remember if this was posted here or HF

Skunk and Lovelost:
https://www.thescreen.co/...rt-and-Ryan-OReilly-Story
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 7:54 PM ET
I can see if both Mitts and Asplund make the team and show real signs of being capable at center (never mind where Erod fits in) then ROR might make good trade bait for this team at the tdl. Same with Risto...trade him for another rhd and its a wash. Trade him for a winger and what you said.

But I am skeptical that either will be dealt this summer and would be really surprised if Risto is gone at all.

- LandlordTom


I guess there’s a school of thought that if they don’t think ROR or Risto (or whoever) fits the role they want,
and u can trade them for someone who does then u should do it whenever u have the opportunity
Makes sense
But it might be another long season if we can’t fill holes that trading guys creates

Trading ROR and going with Mitts at 2C and Asplund or E Rod at 3C probably means no playoffs again

I’ve come around to the point where I’m willing to trade O’Reilly,
as long as it’s for the right return

And then we gotta at least find a good defensive 3C

Another bottom10 finish is gonna be pretty tough on this fan base
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 7:57 PM ET
I guess there’s a school of thought that if they don’t think ROR or Risto (or whoever) fits the role they want,
and u can trade them for someone who does then u should do it whenever u have the opportunity
Makes sense
But it might be another long season if we can’t fill holes that trading guys creates

Trading ROR and going with Mitts at 2C and Asplund or E Rod at 3C probably means no playoffs again

I’ve come around to the point where I’m willing to trade O’Reilly,
as long as it’s for the right return

And then we gotta at least find a good defensive 3C

Another bottom10 finish is gonna be pretty tough on this fan base

- jdfitz77

Do you ever shut up
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 7:59 PM ET
Bruh, he was top 25 in o zone starts. And no where near top 25 in EV scoring.

He’s a very solid defensive forward, who’s offense is very, very over rated

- sbroads24


Which is why i also bring up the linemates point

By no means am i saying he’s Crosby,
or even Burgeron

But somewhere in the late 20s as a Center seems about right to me


We all talk about finding better wingers for Jack....
why doesn’t that apply to ROR too?


PS.
Will u post a link to where u got the overall zone starts from?
I tried to look it up but couldn’t find it
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 7 @ 7:59 PM ET
I had to look this up and found a handy "as the crow flies" calculator.

Assuming that thing isn't just making up its answers, Jacksonville to Miami actually is a longer distance as the crow flies (329 vs 292). But the driving distance from Buffalo to DC is longer than the driving distance from Jacksonville to Miami.

Also, it turns out DC and NYC are almost exactly the same distance (1 mile difference) from Buffalo as the crow flies.

- JetpackJesus



Welp I’m heading out
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM ET
Do you ever shut up
- BeadyEyedDouche


Why are u here?

I’m sure everyone on Reddit misses you
Or are u currently banned?
Hahahahaha
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 7 @ 8:04 PM ET
Who's this idiot singing on the pregame?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 7 @ 8:05 PM ET
Is it bad to hope that that stage sinks into the water electrocuting everyone? Not killing them, just knocking them unconscious for a minute or 2.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 7 @ 8:07 PM ET
Is that the majority opinion?
Everyone knows he’s held in high regard

And as far as the Analytics argument goes,
those were Sbroads words i was repeating
And he wants ROR gone

Do u have links where particular sites rank players?
I’d be happy to check it out

I don’t go to these sites though,
and i haven’t seen anyone posting rankings that put him in the 40s or wherever u guys think he belongs

Everything I’ve seen has O’Reilly ranked in the mid20s

- jdfitz77


Don't really feel like digging them up again. Feel like I explained them pretty well for you a couple weeks ago. Keep in mind that all these composite rankings also rank Pomminville and Girgensons among the top Sabres last season. They deserve scrutiny.

I really don't put much weight on what media experts say. They are in the entertainment business and get things wrong as much as weathermen. If you ask them what they think the Sabres can get for RoR, I'm sure there's a huge variation. If you ask them if Schiefele is better, there'd be a debate there too.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 8:07 PM ET
Why are u here?

I’m sure everyone on Reddit misses you
Or are u currently banned?
Hahahahaha

- jdfitz77

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 7 @ 8:08 PM ET
It's not

Its pretty close though like 40 miles or so

Also 6 hours from Jacksonville to Miami driving

6:45 from Buffalo to DC by driving

- Stripes77


The Earth doesn't care about roads. It's ~330 miles from Jacksonville to Miami and ~290 from Buffalo to DC according to Google Maps "measure distance" tool.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 7 @ 8:08 PM ET
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- BeadyEyedDouche


I mean, I was going to say 4chan. You should take that as a compliment!

BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 8:09 PM ET

Hahahahaha

- jdfitz77

BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 8:10 PM ET
I mean, I was going to say 4chan. You should take that as a compliment!


- Wetbandit1

u were beat by the best

come out sometime to allentown
and maybe i can hook you up
with
a blow job from my buddy

then free shots

i will buy u a drink
then maybe u come over to my place
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 7 @ 8:13 PM ET
I had to look this up and found a handy "as the crow flies" calculator.

Assuming that thing isn't just making up its answers, Jacksonville to Miami actually is a longer distance as the crow flies (329 vs 292). But the driving distance from Buffalo to DC is longer than the driving distance from Jacksonville to Miami.

Also, it turns out DC and NYC are almost exactly the same distance (1 mile difference) from Buffalo as the crow flies.

- JetpackJesus


Yeah, rain showers don't need roads. It's also deceiving because the farther south, well, to the equator anyway, you go the same amount of space on a normal map indicates longer actual distances.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 8:15 PM ET
oh my god this Vegas pre-game crap is horrible
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 7 @ 8:16 PM ET
u were beat by the best

come out sometime to allentown
and maybe i can hook you up
with
a blow job from my buddy

then free shots

i will buy u a drink
then maybe u come over to my place

- BeadyEyedDouche


Jesus
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 8:17 PM ET

Jesus

- TheHank

That Jared Leto post was my breaking point
arousedpanda
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.01.2018

Jun 7 @ 8:19 PM ET
I hope these way too long intros do not become the norm, game starts 30 mins after it’s supposed to....
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jun 7 @ 8:19 PM ET
Hahaha, oh my god, that guy nutting Ovechkin just now
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 7 @ 8:19 PM ET
That Jared Leto post was my breaking point
- BeadyEyedDouche

His poop is so old. I usually just scroll past it. (frank)
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