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Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 7 @ 9:19 PM ET
Ehlers Trouba Petan for OEL Domi

Byfuglien Mason for Gardiner Kappanen Sparks

Dano for the rights to Igor Ulanov

- Byfuglien Ate Me

Why do you hate us?
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jun 7 @ 9:42 PM ET
Why do you hate us?
- Ross77




Because you traded Buff to Carolina, never to be seen again Darren.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 7 @ 10:30 PM ET


Because you traded Buff to Carolina, never to be seen again Darren.

- Byfuglien Ate Me

Lol
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 7 @ 10:31 PM ET


Because you traded Buff to Carolina, never to be seen again Darren.

- Byfuglien Ate Me

For the record I never said I’d make those trades just through some poop at the wall
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jun 7 @ 10:45 PM ET
For the record I never said I’d make those trades just through some poop at the wall
- Ross77


Kinda like we just did in Ontario with our vote!
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jun 8 @ 8:58 AM ET
Kinda like we just did in Ontario with our vote!
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Lol, it should be an interesting 4 years. Nice counter balance for Federally Trudeau, Ontario deserves Ford!

I am looking forward to 4 years of Ford from Manitoba’s perspective!
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jun 8 @ 9:00 AM ET
Kinda like we just did in Ontario with our vote!
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Lol, it should be an interesting 4 years. Nice counter balance for Trudeau, Ontario deserves Ford!

I am looking forward to 4 years of Ford from Manitoba’s perspective!
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jun 8 @ 9:16 AM ET
Ehlers Trouba Petan for OEL Domi

Byfuglien Mason for Gardiner Kappanen Sparks

Dano for the rights to Igor Ulanov

- Byfuglien Ate Me



Dano and Stuart to Arizona for free to give Jets an extra $587K of extra cap space.
I expect Dano and Petan to be traded about 2 weeks before the July 5th deadline...so anytime now. Maybe at the NHL draft on June 22nd and 23rd.

We could also put together a package of young guys like Petan, Dano, Poolman and Chariot for maybe LD like a Justin Faulk or Noah Hanafin. Carolina is looking to rebuild so it might make sense.

Perreault to Montreal makes sense. Yes, he is very versatile but with Roslovic on the rise and Appleton lurking, and if we could keep Statsny, then there is no sense paying him his type of salary as a third or fourth line guy.

I would also expect that the Jets will go to arbitration with Tanev, Armia, Poolman , and Lowry. Some will settle afterward for more term. I expect Armia 2.3 MM for two, Tanev 2.1MM for two , Poolman $2.4 MM for ? , and Lowry settles for more term and goes $3.2 MM for four years.

Trouba gets $6.4 MM for five Helle $5.5 MM for five. Laine gets $8.2 MM starting in 2019-20 for 7 years ( same end date as Ehlers).
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:35 AM ET
Dano and Stuart to Arizona for free to give Jets an extra $587K of extra cap space.
I expect Dano and Petan to be traded about 2 weeks before the July 5th deadline...so anytime now. Maybe at the NHL draft on June 22nd and 23rd.

We could also put together a package of young guys like Petan, Dano, Poolman and Chariot for maybe LD like a Justin Faulk or Noah Hanafin. Carolina is looking to rebuild so it might make sense.

Perreault to Montreal makes sense. Yes, he is very versatile but with Roslovic on the rise and Appleton lurking, and if we could keep Statsny, then there is no sense paying him his type of salary as a third or fourth line guy.

I would also expect that the Jets will go to arbitration with Tanev, Armia, Poolman , and Lowry. Some will settle afterward for more term. I expect Armia 2.3 MM for two, Tanev 2.1MM for two , Poolman $2.4 MM for ? , and Lowry settles for more term and goes $3.2 MM for four years.

Trouba gets $6.4 MM for five Helle $5.5 MM for five. Laine gets $8.2 MM starting in 2019-20 for 7 years ( same end date as Ehlers).

- jetsnation

Carolina would ask for Connor, Roslovic or ehlers for one of those guys. No chance the collection you suggested gets it done.
Keeping Poolman and trading Myers is a much better option for cap savings.
Even trading Myers we still don’t have the cap space for Stastny, only our own guys.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jun 8 @ 11:51 AM ET
Carolina would ask for Connor, Roslovic or ehlers for one of those guys. No chance the collection you suggested gets it done.
Keeping Poolman and trading Myers is a much better option for cap savings.
Even trading Myers we still don’t have the cap space for Stastny, only our own guys.

- Ross77


I'd love to see any ONE of these guys a Jet.....Skinner, Hanafin, Faulk, Calvert, or Puljujarvi. Chariot, Poolman, and Petan have value.

I only mention Puljujarvi because he reminds me a bit of Shief and his struggles in his early days. Also a core of talented Fins on this team is not a bad idea because they would tend to stay for a long time. Laine, Vesalainen, Niku, Armia, Puljujarvi, ...and Ehlers ( Dane...but kinda like a closet Finn). Nice core.

Personally I'd like to see Myers extended. His versatility and production would be sorely missed. I'm hoping Chevy goes that route. I would rather lose Perreault who is at a similar cap.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jun 8 @ 1:13 PM ET
Ehlers Trouba Petan for OEL Domi

Byfuglien Mason for Gardiner Kappanen Sparks

Dano for the rights to Igor Ulanov

- Byfuglien Ate Me


All of them are massive overpayments on our side
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 8 @ 1:14 PM ET
Dano and Stuart to Arizona for free to give Jets an extra $587K of extra cap space.
I expect Dano and Petan to be traded about 2 weeks before the July 5th deadline...so anytime now. Maybe at the NHL draft on June 22nd and 23rd.

We could also put together a package of young guys like Petan, Dano, Poolman and Chariot for maybe LD like a Justin Faulk or Noah Hanafin. Carolina is looking to rebuild so it might make sense.

Perreault to Montreal makes sense. Yes, he is very versatile but with Roslovic on the rise and Appleton lurking, and if we could keep Statsny, then there is no sense paying him his type of salary as a third or fourth line guy.

I would also expect that the Jets will go to arbitration with Tanev, Armia, Poolman , and Lowry. Some will settle afterward for more term. I expect Armia 2.3 MM for two, Tanev 2.1MM for two , Poolman $2.4 MM for ? , and Lowry settles for more term and goes $3.2 MM for four years.

Trouba gets $6.4 MM for five Helle $5.5 MM for five. Laine gets $8.2 MM starting in 2019-20 for 7 years ( same end date as Ehlers).

- jetsnation


Good summary of Myers, Perreault and prospects.

Why would we sign Laine for 7 when we can go 8? If I am a player under 25 years old and have already had success at an NHL level only a 6-8 year contract would tempt me for term. I don't see Lowry or Trouba settling for 5 year terms. Maybe Hellebyuck would go 5 because he is G with only 1 solid (great) year, he could go Jim Carrey on us. I think Helle goes to about a 3 year bridge deal.

I have some concern about how the smaller goalie equipment rule will affect Helle, perhaps more than others. He is a positional goalie relying on size more than athleticism. Will smaller shoulders and pads result in disproportionately more goals against for him?
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jun 8 @ 1:17 PM ET
left field trades I DONT see happening but would drop jaws;

-Buff traded to Carolina for Hanifin and Skinner
-Little and Myers moved to Montreal for 2-2nd round picks and Juulsen
-Ehlers or Connor traded to Philly for Sanheim
-Trouba traded to Detroit for Larkin and a 2nd
-Trouba traded to Florida for Barkov
-Myers / Kulikov / armia all go back to Buffalo for Niagara Falls Boat tour passes

- Ross77


Ross... wtf happened? The first two are even enough. Everything after is horribad. Ehlers and Connor are worth Provorov, while Sanhiem is worth Myers. Trouba is worth two of Larkin, and a low first.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 8 @ 1:20 PM ET
All of them are massive overpayments on our side
- Rexypoo


Dano for Ulanov is close
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 8 @ 2:39 PM ET
Ross... wtf happened? The first two are even enough. Everything after is horribad. Ehlers and Connor are worth Provorov, while Sanhiem is worth Myers. Trouba is worth two of Larkin, and a low first.
- Rexypoo

You could be right about ehlers or Connor being worth provorov but philly wouldn’t do that. Sanheim to Philly is very close to what Morrisey is to us and I don’t think you’d be trading Morrisey for another Myers so let’s say we were both wrong.
Trouba for Larkin and a 2nd is fair
Trouba for barkov is the exact same as Seth Jones for Ryan johansen
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jun 8 @ 4:05 PM ET
Dano for Ulanov is close
- 2.0


Ok, throw in Bautin.

I think people will be either disappointed that Petan and Dano don't have the trade value that they think.....or one or both signs elsewhere (KHL ?)
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 8 @ 4:27 PM ET
Ok, throw in Bautin.

I think people will be either disappointed that Petan and Dano don't have the trade value that they think.....or one or both signs elsewhere (KHL ?)

- bennythehat


Dano will likely have another NHL opportunity, the overall team success and reputation for depth helps the value of the depth players.

Petan will certainly have more NHL opportunities. He may become a marty St.Louis or Marc Savard type of player who turns the switch when he hits 26 and his 3rd team, or it may just never work out for him. It's not over with the Jets yet either - they know he has the skills.

Sergei Bautin. they were entertaining teams. Ulanov did well for himself after Wpg. Had some classic battles with Lindros with the Jets and beyond. I think he separated Lindros shoulder with a hit in Wpg, took a knee at another time. Lindros got payback in the dying minutes of a playoff game vs Tampa after it was clear Philly would win, jumped him, drew some blood.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jun 8 @ 10:40 PM ET
You could be right about ehlers or Connor being worth provorov but philly wouldn’t do that. Sanheim to Philly is very close to what Morrisey is to us and I don’t think you’d be trading Morrisey for another Myers so let’s say we were both wrong.
Trouba for Larkin and a 2nd is fair
Trouba for barkov is the exact same as Seth Jones for Ryan johansen

- Ross77


Sanheim is not even close to Morrissey. He’s a year younger, and doesn’t actually have a full season under his belt. Better than I expected, to be fair. He is worth more than Myers though, so yeah, I’ll take an L there.

You don’t trade a top pairing dman for a 2nd line center. You don’t. His production is very impressive, especially for Detroit, but his defence and possession game still need a lot of work. You’re also trading something you desperately need (Trouba) for something you already have a better version of (Scheifele). Roslovic will take Little’s job. He’s already a better two way player than Larkin, even if he doesn’t hit the scoring highs.

The Barkov one is fair. Still leaves us with 2 top line centres, and a decimated blueline.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 9 @ 7:54 PM ET
Sanheim is not even close to Morrissey. He’s a year younger, and doesn’t actually have a full season under his belt. Better than I expected, to be fair. He is worth more than Myers though, so yeah, I’ll take an L there.

You don’t trade a top pairing dman for a 2nd line center. You don’t. His production is very impressive, especially for Detroit, but his defence and possession game still need a lot of work. You’re also trading something you desperately need (Trouba) for something you already have a better version of (Scheifele). Roslovic will take Little’s job. He’s already a better two way player than Larkin, even if he doesn’t hit the scoring highs.

The Barkov one is fair. Still leaves us with 2 top line centres, and a decimated blueline.

- Rexypoo


The Capitals, Knights, Penguins have proven that all you need is high impact forwards. I am all for trading Trouba for Barkov.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 10 @ 12:33 PM ET
Dano and Stuart to Arizona for free to give Jets an extra $587K of extra cap space.
I expect Dano and Petan to be traded about 2 weeks before the July 5th deadline...so anytime now. Maybe at the NHL draft on June 22nd and 23rd.

We could also put together a package of young guys like Petan, Dano, Poolman and Chariot for maybe LD like a Justin Faulk or Noah Hanafin. Carolina is looking to rebuild so it might make sense.

Perreault to Montreal makes sense. Yes, he is very versatile but with Roslovic on the rise and Appleton lurking, and if we could keep Statsny, then there is no sense paying him his type of salary as a third or fourth line guy.

I would also expect that the Jets will go to arbitration with Tanev, Armia, Poolman , and Lowry. Some will settle afterward for more term. I expect Armia 2.3 MM for two, Tanev 2.1MM for two , Poolman $2.4 MM for ? , and Lowry settles for more term and goes $3.2 MM for four years.

Trouba gets $6.4 MM for five Helle $5.5 MM for five. Laine gets $8.2 MM starting in 2019-20 for 7 years ( same end date as Ehlers).

- jetsnation



What has Trouba done to earn 6.4? He is the most overrated Jet. People/media outside Winnipeg keep questioning what the hype is about.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 10 @ 1:41 PM ET
What has Trouba done to earn 6.4? He is the most overrated Jet. People/media outside Winnipeg keep questioning what the hype is about.
- TheUltimateJet

It’s goes to what you value. If we stay with the Myers vrs Trouba argument. Right now Myers puts up more points but receives more pp time. Trouba was our shut down D all year, how did that work out for us? How many games did we win cause we had an elite top unit shut down pair? Too many people over value d based on points and not the ability to actually play defence. Myers can’t play in our own end and ultimately is a good offensive third pair D. Trouba is an excellent shut down D who hasn’t reached his offensive potential yet partially due to no pp time.
Do jets fans not realizes keeping Trouba off the pp in a contract year was actually a very smart tactic by the jets?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 10 @ 3:13 PM ET
It’s goes to what you value. If we stay with the Myers vrs Trouba argument. Right now Myers puts up more points but receives more pp time. Trouba was our shut down D all year, how did that work out for us? How many games did we win cause we had an elite top unit shut down pair? Too many people over value d based on points and not the ability to actually play defence. Myers can’t play in our own end and ultimately is a good offensive third pair D. Trouba is an excellent shut down D who hasn’t reached his offensive potential yet partially due to no pp time.
Do jets fans not realizes keeping Trouba off the pp in a contract year was actually a very smart tactic by the jets?

- Ross77


Trouba had just as many turnovers as Myers. He just had a better defensive partner in Morrissey. Trouba is also an injury prone players. Believe he has only played one 70+ game season. Trouba is nowhere near the defensemen that Seth Jones or Morgan Reilly are, and here Jets fans want to give him almost 2 million more than each?

Trouba = Overrated
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 10 @ 3:16 PM ET
Trouba had just as many turnovers as Myers. He just had a better defensive partner in Morrissey. Trouba is also an injury prone players. Believe he has only played one 70+ game season. Trouba is nowhere near the defensemen that Seth Jones or Morgan Reilly are, and here Jets fans want to give him almost 2 million more than each?

Trouba = Overrated

- TheUltimateJet


Wow! I couldn’t disagree with you more
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 10 @ 3:21 PM ET
Trouba had just as many turnovers as Myers. He just had a better defensive partner in Morrissey. Trouba is also an injury prone players. Believe he has only played one 70+ game season. Trouba is nowhere near the defensemen that Seth Jones or Morgan Reilly are, and here Jets fans want to give him almost 2 million more than each?

Trouba = Overrated

- TheUltimateJet

Have to add to This
-Myers consistently plays against weaker talent cause Maurice know he’s doesn’t match up
-Trouba has played more games than Myers in the last three years and it’s not that close
- Trouba absolutely is on par with jones and Reilly and guess what, people get paid
More every year!!! You don’t sign a guy to what a compatible did two years ago. If you did you still think Evander Kane gets more money than shiefele and mackinnon?
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 10 @ 3:26 PM ET
Another interesting trade idea?
I don’t think we can afford Stastny and I also think Roslovic is ready for 2nd line Center!! But for those that want another Center. Another trade I can actually see happening is, Tyler Johnson for Tyler Myers. I don’t like Johnson at 5 mil per but if Tampa will eat one million, I like him at 4 and I still think I’d keep Roslovic in the 2 spot and move little to the wing.

Let me guess some of your answers;

Jets nation - stop trading Myers! He is our version of Denis potvin

Ultimate - I don’t want Tyler Johnson I told you I want Taveras or Giroux

Rexy - why trade for Tyler Johnson when we have Nic Petan who is the same size, younger and better

Am I close ? Lol!!!!
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